Reshuffle: David Cameron is back and Braverman sacked
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Original post by NJA
These are "The Great Offices of State", everyone else trains for important roles for a long time so they can hit the deck running, then stays there to ensure the best happens, the fact that people move around shows that they are not there to really understand the needs of health, foreign affairs, etc, they are there to do the bidding of pre-determined policies, they are puppets, people that will do as they are told, details are not needed.
Are the globalists in the room with us right now?
On Cameron, isn't this a sleazy opportunity for him to travel the world secretly making contacts for his friend's business interests at high levels?
For Sunak I'd say this is more to pin down his leadership position. A lot of party members will like and remember Cameron's governments as successful and will follow his support for Sunak.
On Brexit, when has a politician being on the remain side stopped them propping up a pro-Brexit government? (Look at Truss.)
For Sunak I'd say this is more to pin down his leadership position. A lot of party members will like and remember Cameron's governments as successful and will follow his support for Sunak.
On Brexit, when has a politician being on the remain side stopped them propping up a pro-Brexit government? (Look at Truss.)
Original post by Saracen's Fez
A reshuffle is ongoing in government. So far the headline moves are:
– Suella Braverman sacked as hone secretary
– James Cleverly made the new home secretary
– David Cameron (!!!!) makes a shock return to government as foreign secretary
Follow live here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421
– Suella Braverman sacked as hone secretary
– James Cleverly made the new home secretary
– David Cameron (!!!!) makes a shock return to government as foreign secretary
Follow live here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421
Guys the UK govt. is just a Bizarro World simulation and we're all living under it
Original post by michaelhw
Now, i am left wing, but I have nothing to say about the way Cameron behaved as a politician. The reason why I think it might be a good idea is that it marks a sort of return to normalcy after the unusual politicial situation connected with Brexit, which was a huge change. In that space - and in the context of Trump - there was a sort of disruption and lines were crossed. Now, brexit is a fact, and now they must try to return to a normal situation in which rules are followed. I disagreed with brexit, but it was a fair vote. And then i hope the left wins at the next election. But I think it is good with a normal politician with some clout both for Labour and for the Tories.
What is your view, as future victims of lower taxes?
What is your view, as future victims of lower taxes?
I voted for Brexit and supporter a harder stance now than 2016 so there's a lot to be concerned with but I'm broadly supportive.
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Cameron has an authority as a 6 year PM and 11 year Tory leader
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Cameron is symbolic of moderate conservatism (Sunak has given the finger to the right and bet on appealing to Con-Lab switchers rather than Con-Reform) which is where Sunak is laying his bet.
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Not a single headline tomorrow will play to Braverman's would be leadership bid.
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Cameron gained 126 seats across 2 elections, he was not asked to be Foreign Sec, he was no doubt asked to help as best he can in holding the election.
Cameron doesn't lose bar a significant global event.
If your an ultra remainer you won't hate him more in a year than you do now.
If you hated austerity enough to not vote Tory you did that under Corbyn, the loss is baked in.
If your an ultra Brexiteer your annoyed but Sunak has lost patience with the right, you'd be getting a moderate anyway and you already hated Cameron.
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Cameron gets to spend the next year looking like a statesman, reminding us that as a communicator he's only beaten since Blair by Boris and Geoffrey Cox and reminding the establishment Tories and soft right in Lib Dem's and Labour that he is a thing.
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Suspect it won't work and indeed I'd say current times require the party to appeal further right to maintain the 2019 coalition but Sunak has big stones for doing it and Cameron for taking it.
In a years time it will likely mean nothing but if Cameron does have a year where he's impressing then I'll just pop this here.
https://www.paddypower.com/politics/uk-next-prime-minister
Cameron is now 20/1 to regain his throne post Sunak and I know a few Tories who would certainly be tempted.
In the last 12 years, the UK gov. £85 billion has been given to unaccountable organisations including the W.H.O. (source: The Taxpayers Alliance), the organisation that wants to make mandatory health decisions for us . . . guess if it's being out-sourced you only really need a front person to make sure their decisions get implemented, details not required!
Original post by NJA
In the last 12 years, the UK gov. £85 billion has been given to unaccountable organisations including the W.H.O. (source: The Taxpayers Alliance), the organisation that wants to make mandatory health decisions for us . . . guess if it's being out-sourced you only really need a front person to make sure their decisions get implemented, details not required!
Who funds the Taxpayers Alliance?
Original post by Gazpacho.
We have an epidemic of shoplifting. We have prison capacity at 100%. We are running up a huge hotel because of the failure to clear the asylum applications backlog. Braverman is not focusing on those issues.
Instead we see Braverman spending her time saying how she wants to criminalise homeless people who sleep in tents, ban protests and undermine the police. Such approaches go down well in hardcore conservative circles.
She has been failing in her job as Home Secretary by using the role to campaign for her future leadership bid of the Conservative Party.
Instead we see Braverman spending her time saying how she wants to criminalise homeless people who sleep in tents, ban protests and undermine the police. Such approaches go down well in hardcore conservative circles.
She has been failing in her job as Home Secretary by using the role to campaign for her future leadership bid of the Conservative Party.
What did the prison backlog have to do with her?
Original post by NJA
In the last 12 years, the UK gov. £85 billion has been given to unaccountable organisations including the W.H.O. (source: The Taxpayers Alliance), the organisation that wants to make mandatory health decisions for us . . . guess if it's being out-sourced you only really need a front person to make sure their decisions get implemented, details not required!
The W.H.O. wants to make mandatory health decisions for us?
You've been brainwashed.
The WEF control the WHO.
Original post by NJA
These are "The Great Offices of State", everyone else trains for important roles for a long time so they can hit the deck running, then stays there to ensure the best happens, the fact that people move around shows that they are not there to really understand the needs of health, foreign affairs, etc, they are there to do the bidding of pre-determined policies, they are puppets, people that will do as they are told, details are not needed.
Yes, civil servants should just run them.
Junior ministers are showing what they think in the strongest way.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/13/experience-makes-way-for-sunak-loyalists-as-junior-ministers-quit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/13/experience-makes-way-for-sunak-loyalists-as-junior-ministers-quit
Well within any luck in a year and a half we'll have a whole new cabinet so, hope springs eternal.
Original post by Gazpacho.
Who funds the Taxpayers Alliance?
People and companies that want the light shone on where our hard-earned money is going.
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/funding
Who else is going to do this important job?
Original post by NJA
People and companies that want the light shone on where our hard-earned money is going.
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/funding
Who else is going to do this important job?
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/funding
Who else is going to do this important job?
And the WEF.
The same people that do this important job for the tech industry.
Kay Burley's reaction is everyone's reaction 
Meanwhile Andrea Jenkyns (Johnson loyalist) has been on the rampage. Has submitted a letter of no confidence in Sunak
Original post by Andrew97
Meanwhile Andrea Jenkyns (Johnson loyalist) has been on the rampage. Has submitted a letter of no confidence in Sunak
Rampage is how I'd use her lack of appropriate punctuation.
sounds like Gibb's replacement is professional eejit Damian Hinds
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/damian-hinds-returns-to-dfe-as-minister-of-state/
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/damian-hinds-returns-to-dfe-as-minister-of-state/
Original post by Saracen's Fez
Kay Burley's reaction is everyone's reaction
No, just everyone in your circle/media echo chamber, people that know how the system works expected nothing less, as I wrote before
(edited 10 months ago)
Braverman's sacking is unlikely to do her any harm politically; I'm fact it may even help her in future to be less associated with this current government, which seems destined for a (deserved) crushing defeat at the next election.
But I think the political logic behind appointing David Cameron to the cabinet is quite poor. By-election results suggest that the Tory to Labour pipeline perhaps isn't that big, with a much higher number of previous Tory voters simply deciding to stay at home. Cameron's appointment is unlikely to persuade them to come back out and vote, not will it really stop many Tories going to Labour. He also represents a type of politics that the country - except perhaps centrist dads - have moved on from.
But I think the political logic behind appointing David Cameron to the cabinet is quite poor. By-election results suggest that the Tory to Labour pipeline perhaps isn't that big, with a much higher number of previous Tory voters simply deciding to stay at home. Cameron's appointment is unlikely to persuade them to come back out and vote, not will it really stop many Tories going to Labour. He also represents a type of politics that the country - except perhaps centrist dads - have moved on from.
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