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(Original post by vienna95)
evidently.
And that doesn't strike yoy as barbaric at all?
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(Original post by wiwarin_mir)
And that doesn't strike yoy as barbaric at all?
Not really.
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And if you had kids? how could you have it within reach to protect them, but at the same time secure enough that they couldn't get to it.
Remember that the groups in society at greatest risk of gun crime are those who can ill afford a gun, let alone a safe to hold their gun
What Vienna said. If a criminal does have a weapon, you want to be equally matched. If they don't then you come out ahead. In the state I live in, weapons do not even have to be concealed. You can walk around with them in plain view. ALL children in this area are taught gun safety from a very early age and there are very few mishaps. My nephew is seven and he could hit the "O" on a coca cola can from 150 feet easily. It's all about teaching them the purposes of a gun and why they shouln't be played with. He knows where it is and can easily reach it, but he knows not to mess with it.
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(Original post by wiwarin_mir)
And that doesn't strike yoy as barbaric at all?
In some cases, animals need to be killed. For example...If a population spreads to quickly and too much vegetation is eaten, it can screw up an entire ecosystem. In that case, some animals need to be gotten rid of. The most efficient way is to give out a licence to so many hunters and let em at it. I'm only for the protection of large game, but for silly animals such as rabbits and such that multiply quickly, I could care less.
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The gun is primarily a piece of weaponry. Anything else that they are used for is not the primary purpose. I've read everyone's arguments, but the gun IS primarily a piece of weaponry. Fact.
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The gun is primarily a piece of weaponry. Anything else that they are used for is not the primary purpose. I've read everyone's arguments, but the gun IS primarily a piece of weaponry. Fact.
Its primarily a weapon, but is using it to shoot other humans its primary use?
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Its primarily a weapon, but is using it to shoot other humans its primary use?
Its primary function is to be used as a weapon (for practise/sport or for killing), but I agree when people have said that its primary use is determined by the person holding it.
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Its primary function is to be used as a weapon (for practise/sport or for killing), but I agree when people have said that its primary use is determined by the person holding it.
Isnt that a contradiction?
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(Original post by AmericanChick)
What Vienna said. If a criminal does have a weapon, you want to be equally matched. If they don't then you come out ahead. In the state I live in, weapons do not even have to be concealed. You can walk around with them in plain view. ALL children in this area are taught gun safety from a very early age and there are very few mishaps. My nephew is seven and he could hit the "O" on a coca cola can from 150 feet easily. It's all about teaching them the purposes of a gun and why they shouln't be played with. He knows where it is and can easily reach it, but he knows not to mess with it.
you actually teach a child how to shoot from an early age?
That is sickening!

EVEN if the child fully understands that a gun can harm him/herself, they have much less understanding of the meaning and totality of life and death, and the consequences of their actions. To give a child access to a weapon is just ridiculous.
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you actually teach a child how to shoot from an early age?
That is sickening!

EVEN if the child fully understands that a gun can harm him/herself, they have much less understanding of the meaning and totality of life and death, and the consequences of their actions. To give a child access to a weapon is just ridiculous.
you can join the army before you're an adult

hardly sickening...just different culture.
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The gun is primarily a piece of weaponry. Anything else that they are used for is not the primary purpose. I've read everyone's arguments, but the gun IS primarily a piece of weaponry. Fact.

and what is 'weaponary' use for??? killing and maiming. so that solves the question of the primary purpose of the gun.
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hahahahahaha what the hell does that prove. One ickle sideline dictionary includes the word so all of a sudden its part of the language? hell no.
In my mind if it isn't in the oxford dictionary its still just a colloqualism. Why does this mean so much to you?
I don't care. It's not my fault that you cannot admit your personal error.
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you can join the army before you're an adult

hardly sickening...just different culture.
There is a gulf of difference between 16 and 7.
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There is a gulf of difference between 16 and 7.
Yes, because if you teach a child of 7 the grave implications of using a handgun, he will take you seriously. 16 year olds believe that they know what is best, and they do not need to listen to what an adult tells them about safety.
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Yes, because if you teach a child of 7 the grave implications of using a handgun, he will take you seriously. 16 year olds believe that they know what is best, and they do not need to listen to what an adult tells them about safety.
yes because 7 to 16 year old are known for always obeying their parents, knowing the full consequences to their actions and maturity.

Will you come out with any crap just to disagree?
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That does not mean that those legally own guns, more specifically hand guns, somehow have a different construction making them useful in house hold tasks.
Why does everything now need to be able to make eggs benedict? As you said that only the minority of internet users use the internet for evil, you say that the internet shouldn't be eliminated. Only a small fraction of gun owners use their guns for negative purposes. Many others use them for recreation, which develops hand-eye coordination, and trains the body to control muscle tension. Guns can also be used to put a wounded or sick animal out of its misery, in addition to controlling animal population through hunting.
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yes because 7 to 16 year old are known for always obeying their parents, knowing the full consequences to their actions and maturity.

Will you come out with any crap just to disagree?
I'm going to assume that you never had to take a gun safety course, so you really have no understanding of the grave awareness of gun safety that they instill into young people. A greater number of the older students in such courses have difficulty in administering the proper safety protocol, because by that phase in youth, most children think they know more than the adults instructing them. The same cannot be said for the younger children, like 7 year olds.

As for coming up with any crap just to disagree? I thought that was your role in this forum.
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Even so, it is killing, so therefore it reinforces my claim that the primary use of guns is to kill.
Yes!
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If you get shot in the face with a paintball gun, it can very easily kill you. In this country, paintball guns are treated as air rifles because they can cause trouble just the same, but we can still use them if we go to a proper paintballing centre with trained staff, safety gear and all that. Better than playing paintball at home, in the garden or on the street...

I suppose guns must be a reassurance... wouldn't you rather just get rid of them altogether though?
Paintballs are freaking scary! I'm so glad they are treated in that way, they are damn dangerous. I was shot on the hand and bled. Every time I got hit, it hurt like hell. The little boys were running around pretending to be army type people, relishing shooting people. It was kind of sick. Thank God it's not that popular here.
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Don't even get me started on animal hunting!

I think it's sick that CHILDREN are taught and encouraged to use guns!

I hate to say this, but parts of Bowling for Columbine don't seem too inaccurate from reading what I've read here.

Right, if someone tries to shoot you, the best thing to do is to shoot them back? Are you then not a criminal yourself?

The fewer guns the better, I say.
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