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Why don't people realise they are being socially engineered?

Can you give an example?

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Reply 1
Original post by Katerina S.
It's like we get all this woke rubbish on the BBC News and you get so many people in society think its how society is. Don't they realise they are being influenced? It's the kind of people who are brought up to do academia but at the same time they are too thick to realise that the society we are in and the values they hold come from state corporations like the BBC.

It seems to be that many of these people just don't stop and think where their values all come from and who has influenced that. They accept others as telling them the society we should be in and suck it all up.

We don't even get any information on the BBC news as to who has prompted these stories or values they are putting across to be on there. Shouldn't that be mandatory? After all we should be told that at least by say text at the bottom of the screen. It would be nice to know who is pulling the strings from behind the scenes? After all who should quietly have so much power to influence others without us knowing precisely who?

So a few points.

1.

You criticise the BBC as "manipulating" people, yet don't consume anything from the BBC. So how do you know? I presume you are taking the word of someone else on this matter? Does that not mean you are being manipulated as you are taking someone else's view rather than forming your own opinion based on the evidence presented before you?

2.

You also state the BBC is woke. Given being woke [url=[url=means]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wokeness]means]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wokeness]means]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wokeness]means

to be aware of social issues such as racism, sexism and homophobia, I can only conclude you have a tendency to be racist, homophobic or sexist. Either that or at the least it would seem you are ignorant of such matters, or in denial and are manipulated (see point 1)
[*]We have always been socially engineered. To be part of society is to conform to societal norms. From attending church on Sundays, eating fish on Fridays, eating Turkey for Xmas, going to the football on Saturday, saying please and thank you, queuing patiently - all forms of social engineering and all societies have their own versions. Is it really such a bad thing?
Reply 2
This story is on BBC News; 'woke rubbish', really?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67632363
Original post by SHallowvale
Can you give an example?

these trolls cannot give an example without demonstrating the absurdity of their bigotry and that the biggest 'snowflakes' in this issues are the right wing fools who ignore evidence base and objective material reaility in favour of their ****-addled porn-sick fantasising
Reply 4
Original post by Miss Pulford
these trolls cannot give an example without demonstrating the absurdity of their bigotry and that the biggest 'snowflakes' in this issues are the right wing fools who ignore evidence base and objective material reaility in favour of their ****-addled porn-sick fantasising

I wouldn't have put it quite like that but, yeah. The moment you ask for examples their whole narrative falls apart. I can't find the right word to describe it, but it is like their worldview is based on a concept (i.e. an ominous "they" who are ruining everything) rather than something real we can point to.
Reply 5
If Christmas adverts are to be believed, about 50% of the UK population is black and about 25% of UK adults are in interracial relationships. It begins to feel like it's the mediawishful thinking but why do they seek to overstate the reality? Even black people often feel embarrassed about the white saviourness of it. I reckon it derives not so much from socialism as from the upper middle class love of the 'exotic'. In Victorian times it was Egypt. Now we have rich white girls working in the media glorifying gangster rap.
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Reply 6
Original post by Picnicl
If Christmas adverts are to be believed, about 50% of the UK population is black and about 25% of UK adults are in interracial relationships. It begins to feel like it's the mediawishful thinking but why do they seek to overstate the reality? Even black people often feel embarrassed about the white saviourness of it. I reckon it derives not so much from socialism as from the upper middle class love of the 'exotic'. In Victorian times it was Egypt. Now we have rich white girls working in the media glorifying gangster rap.

You've confused marketing for some secret hidden agenda.
Original post by SHallowvale
You've confused marketing for some secret hidden agenda.

PRSOM
Original post by Picnicl
If Christmas adverts are to be believed, about 50% of the UK population is black and about 25% of UK adults are in interracial relationships. It begins to feel like it's the mediawishful thinking but why do they seek to overstate the reality? Even black people often feel embarrassed about the white saviourness of it. I reckon it derives not so much from socialism as from the upper middle class love of the 'exotic'. In Victorian times it was Egypt. Now we have rich white girls working in the media glorifying gangster rap.

Yawn... this kind of pathetic and hackneyed guff becomes extremely boring everytime yet another little white boy in the suburbs thinks they are being edgy by saying it.
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Reply 9
Original post by SHallowvale
You've confused marketing for some secret hidden agenda.

No I'm not. If their marketing is towards black people then it's an agenda.
Reply 10
Original post by Miss Pulford
Yawn... this kind of pathetic and hackneyed guff becomes extremely boring everytime yet another little white boy in the suburbs thinks they are being edgy by saying it.

I'm not being edgy. Conservatism of a kind has become the new 'edgy' to you. 'little white boy in the suburbs'. You're now marginalising the indigenous population to the anonymity of the long derrided suburbs. Why?
Original post by Picnicl
I'm not being edgy. Conservatism of a kind has become the new 'edgy' to you. 'little white boy in the suburbs'. You're now marginalising the indigenous population to the anonymity of the long derrided suburbs. Why?

your view is not not 'Conservatism'

hate to break it to you you are not the indigenuous population of the UK, the truly indigenous population of the UK is extinct and has been for 2000 years
Original post by Picnicl
If Christmas adverts are to be believed, about 50% of the UK population is black and about 25% of UK adults are in interracial relationships. It begins to feel like it's the mediawishful thinking but why do they seek to overstate the reality? Even black people often feel embarrassed about the white saviourness of it. I reckon it derives not so much from socialism as from the upper middle class love of the 'exotic'. In Victorian times it was Egypt. Now we have rich white girls working in the media glorifying gangster rap.

Sure grandma, let's get you to bed...
Reply 13
Original post by Picnicl
No I'm not. If their marketing is towards black people then it's an agenda.

You mean an agenda to make money? Just call it what it is: capitalism.

Companies want to make money. The more customers they have the easier it is to make money. Featuring people of different backgrounds and ethnicities in their adverts helps promote their product to a wider audience.
Original post by Picnicl
I'm not being edgy. Conservatism of a kind has become the new 'edgy' to you. 'little white boy in the suburbs'. You're now marginalising the indigenous population to the anonymity of the long derrided suburbs. Why?


There was a time when conservatism stood for the small state, low taxes, personal responsibility, etc. That has all been thrown out the window by modern conservatives who have developed a bizarre fixation with identity politics that rivals the ultra-woke. You are neatly demonstrating this by expressing offensive at the apparent overrepresentation of black people in TV adverts.
Reply 15
The conservative party is not a 'right-wing' party. They have adopted the left-wing politics of the Blair machine. In many ways, Gordon Brown and Jeremy Cornyn would have been more conservative than the tories. By raising the licence fee, they have demonstrated that they stand with the BBC. It's likely that they believe that this will help them get more favourable coverage before the next election. They are as pro-green as the Labour Party. They intend to do nothing to reduce migration because their donors all benefit from migration. Their donors, of course, are housing developers and billionaire retailers who have much to gain from cheap, foreign labour. They are not conservative; they're statist.
If this is a left wing Tory party I’d love to see what a right wing one would be doing differently.
Original post by Admit-One
If this is a left wing Tory party I’d love to see what a right wing one would be doing differently.

throwing the poors in the workhouse so their donors could benefit from their labours without even payingthe NMW
Reply 18
Original post by NameUserer
Sure grandma, let's get you to bed...

Your 'old people are racist' insinuation is irrelevant. If 50% of people in Christmas adverts sported purple hair I might say the same thing. It's over representation.
Reply 19
Original post by SHallowvale
You mean an agenda to make money? Just call it what it is: capitalism.

Companies want to make money. The more customers they have the easier it is to make money. Featuring people of different backgrounds and ethnicities in their adverts helps promote their product to a wider audience.

There is no 'capitalist' spirit which rewards hardworking people looking to improve their lives through small commerce. Shopkeepers and local businesses are being *deliberately* wrecked by the government - by both political parties. Large companies (with monopolies) are allied with the government, and they avoid paying their taxes, while exploiting illegitimately brought-in foreign labour.

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