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Reply 40
RIP Corey Comperatore.
His final act was to protect his wife and daughters, getting them safely down to the ground moments after Trump was shot.
Mr. Comperatore was a retired fire chief for Buffalo Township.
His final act was to protect his wife and daughters, getting them safely down to the ground moments after Trump was shot.
Mr. Comperatore was a retired fire chief for Buffalo Township.
Trump had picked his VP ummm pick. JD Vance. Who seems nice,,,
Reply 42
People should vote Democrat this year. Biden deserves a chance to finish what he started.
Reply 43
Original post by Driving_Mad
Trump has some great policies. He wants to deport illegal immigrants and create a stronger border by stopping illegal immigration. This would be great for the US aiding the fight against over-population and also the crippling healthcare system.
Trump also wants to put a ban on transition and taking a hard stance on the woke gender nonsense. This is something many Americans agree with but a lot on the left are too afraid to say what they really think to avoid cancellation.
Finally Trump is pro-life regarding abortion.
These 3 policies are major reasons why people choose Trump over Biden, apart from Biden being someone who should be resting in a care home.
Trump also wants to put a ban on transition and taking a hard stance on the woke gender nonsense. This is something many Americans agree with but a lot on the left are too afraid to say what they really think to avoid cancellation.
Finally Trump is pro-life regarding abortion.
These 3 policies are major reasons why people choose Trump over Biden, apart from Biden being someone who should be resting in a care home.
Three excellent examples of why people shouldn't vote for Trump.
The border wall cost billions and did nothing to reduce the illegal crossings into the US. Parts of it even blew down from strong winds, trust something built by Trump to break quickly.
People should be free to transition. This is something most Americans agree with. Banning gender transition would be authoritarian and completely unnecessary. Why are you anti-freedom?
Women should be free to get an abortion. This is also something most Americans agree with. We shouldn't be surprised about Trump's lack of respect for bodily autonomy, I suppose, given the accusations against him and the apologetics he has shown towards Epstein.
Original post by Driving_Mad
Trump has some great policies. He wants to deport illegal immigrants and create a stronger border by stopping illegal immigration. This would be great for the US aiding the fight against over-population and also the crippling healthcare system.
Trump also wants to put a ban on transition and taking a hard stance on the woke gender nonsense. This is something many Americans agree with but a lot on the left are too afraid to say what they really think to avoid cancellation.
Finally Trump is pro-life regarding abortion.
These 3 policies are major reasons why people choose Trump over Biden, apart from Biden being someone who should be resting in a care home.
Trump also wants to put a ban on transition and taking a hard stance on the woke gender nonsense. This is something many Americans agree with but a lot on the left are too afraid to say what they really think to avoid cancellation.
Finally Trump is pro-life regarding abortion.
These 3 policies are major reasons why people choose Trump over Biden, apart from Biden being someone who should be resting in a care home.
Do you actually follow American politics?
If you do, you’d be fully aware that polling on abortion consistently shows a clear majority in favour of pro-choice.
So your claim that one of the reasons the majority of people choose Trump is over abortion is simply not based on factual reality.
Reply 45
Original post by Driving_Mad
Trump is planning on deporting illegal immigrants which is a good thing. It will help with a lot of other issues in the US.
What you provided around gender provides no evidence to support transition. The majority (64%) favour laws that protect transgender people from discrimination.
Being pro-life isn't necessarily a bad thing. It isn't something I agree with but if you believe human life to start from the moment of conception, it's a valid argument. Women are able to follow procedures to avoid getting pregnant in the first place before abortion. This is one of the policies which may hinder Trump's popularity but the vast majority are excited by his immigration plans so will ignore this.
What you provided around gender provides no evidence to support transition. The majority (64%) favour laws that protect transgender people from discrimination.
Being pro-life isn't necessarily a bad thing. It isn't something I agree with but if you believe human life to start from the moment of conception, it's a valid argument. Women are able to follow procedures to avoid getting pregnant in the first place before abortion. This is one of the policies which may hinder Trump's popularity but the vast majority are excited by his immigration plans so will ignore this.
Annual deportations were higher under Bush and Obama then they were under Trump. He is so incompetent that he can't even achieve his defining policy.
It's not about whether people support transitioning, it about whether people think it should be banned. There is no evidence that even a plurarity of Americans support banning gender transitioning, despite your claim that "This is something many Americans agree with". What we do know is that a large majority are against discrimination, we can be safe in assuming they would also be against banning it.
Being pro-life, in the context of US politics, is a bad thing. States which have pushed for pro-life legislation have essentially outright banned abortion. This is bad, even if you thought life began at conception women should still have the right to get an abortion.conception.
Reply 46
Original post by SHallowvale
Three excellent examples of why people shouldn't vote for Trump.
The border wall cost billions and did nothing to reduce the illegal crossings into the US. Parts of it even blew down from strong winds, trust something built by Trump to break quickly.
People should be free to transition. This is something most Americans agree with. Banning gender transition would be authoritarian and completely unnecessary. Why are you anti-freedom?
Women should be free to get an abortion. This is also something most Americans agree with. We shouldn't be surprised about Trump's lack of respect for bodily autonomy, I suppose, given the accusations against him and the apologetics he has shown towards Epstein.
The border wall cost billions and did nothing to reduce the illegal crossings into the US. Parts of it even blew down from strong winds, trust something built by Trump to break quickly.
People should be free to transition. This is something most Americans agree with. Banning gender transition would be authoritarian and completely unnecessary. Why are you anti-freedom?
Women should be free to get an abortion. This is also something most Americans agree with. We shouldn't be surprised about Trump's lack of respect for bodily autonomy, I suppose, given the accusations against him and the apologetics he has shown towards Epstein.
Original post by SHallowvale
Annual deportations were higher under Bush and Obama then they were under Trump. He is so incompetent that he can't even achieve his defining policy.
It's not about whether people support transitioning, it about whether people think it should be banned. There is no evidence that even a plurarity of Americans support banning gender transitioning, despite your claim that "This is something many Americans agree with". What we do know is that a large majority are against discrimination, we can be safe in assuming they would also be against banning it.
Being pro-life, in the context of US politics, is a bad thing. States which have pushed for pro-life legislation have essentially outright banned abortion. This is bad, even if you thought life began at conception women should still have the right to get an abortion.conception.
It's not about whether people support transitioning, it about whether people think it should be banned. There is no evidence that even a plurarity of Americans support banning gender transitioning, despite your claim that "This is something many Americans agree with". What we do know is that a large majority are against discrimination, we can be safe in assuming they would also be against banning it.
Being pro-life, in the context of US politics, is a bad thing. States which have pushed for pro-life legislation have essentially outright banned abortion. This is bad, even if you thought life began at conception women should still have the right to get an abortion.conception.
Original post by SHallowvale
Annual deportations were higher under Bush and Obama then they were under Trump. He is so incompetent that he can't even achieve his defining policy.
It's not about whether people support transitioning, it about whether people think it should be banned. There is no evidence that even a plurarity of Americans support banning gender transitioning, despite your claim that "This is something many Americans agree with". What we do know is that a large majority are against discrimination, we can be safe in assuming they would also be against banning it.
Being pro-life, in the context of US politics, is a bad thing. States which have pushed for pro-life legislation have essentially outright banned abortion. This is bad, even if you thought life began at conception women should still have the right to get an abortion.conception.
It's not about whether people support transitioning, it about whether people think it should be banned. There is no evidence that even a plurarity of Americans support banning gender transitioning, despite your claim that "This is something many Americans agree with". What we do know is that a large majority are against discrimination, we can be safe in assuming they would also be against banning it.
Being pro-life, in the context of US politics, is a bad thing. States which have pushed for pro-life legislation have essentially outright banned abortion. This is bad, even if you thought life began at conception women should still have the right to get an abortion.conception.
On transitioning I think a lot of supporters would advocate it be left to state rather than federal level.
Likewise, although I don't personally favour a full abortion ban I do want to stop the free for all and I don't trust liberals to compromise. Certainly not in the US where they are militant on social policy down ballot.
Reply 48
Original post by Rakas21
On transitioning I think a lot of supporters would advocate it be left to state rather than federal level.
Likewise, although I don't personally favour a full abortion ban I do want to stop the free for all and I don't trust liberals to compromise. Certainly not in the US where they are militant on social policy down ballot.
Likewise, although I don't personally favour a full abortion ban I do want to stop the free for all and I don't trust liberals to compromise. Certainly not in the US where they are militant on social policy down ballot.
It is currently left to the state.
Democrats want abortion to be legal. Republicans want it outright banned. Even if you wanted abortion to be restricted in some capacity (e.g. week limits) you should vote Democrat.
Reply 49
Original post by Driving_Mad
Your points about Bush and Obama regarding immigration have nothing to do with what I said. We are comparing immigration policies of Trump and Biden. Trump is much stronger in that regard which appeals to the average American.
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The migration problems were being controlled, to an extent, by President Trump. Biden came in and unravelled years of hard work to the extent that even Democrat states and cities are complaining because the illegal migrants were being dropped in their states.
Reply 50
Original post by Driving_Mad
Your points about Bush and Obama regarding immigration have nothing to do with what I said. We are comparing immigration policies of Trump and Biden. Trump is much stronger in that regard which appeals to the average American.
@Wired_1800
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Trump did nothing to raise the number of deportations despite the stable economic conditions he inherited from Obama.
Trump left Biden an economic mess so his attention has been put elsewhere. Trump had absolutely no excuse, he is simply a weak leader.
Reply 51
President Biden has withdrawn from seeking re-election. The Democrat deep state has finally pushed him out.
Reply 52
Original post by Driving_Mad
Where are the people rooting for Biden here? How could they think Biden was fit to be president of the United States when his own party weren't even convinced by him?
I'm intrigued to see the mental gymnastic they will employ to justify this.
I'm intrigued to see the mental gymnastic they will employ to justify this.
Haha, I am looking forward to it too. The past 3+ yearshave been insane with him as President.
Reply 55
Original post by Rakas21
Unfortunately for the Democrats he has endorsed Harris who is the only person who polls about as bad as he does against Trump.
I really don't understand their idiocy.
I really don't understand their idiocy.
There are claims that they could bring in Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro
Original post by Wired_1800
There are claims that they could bring in Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro
Oddscheker suggests the money is on Whitmer or Buttigieg.
Buttigieg is the smart play. In 2020 he came first and second in the first two caucus events.
Reply 57
Original post by Rakas21
Oddscheker suggests the money is on Whitmer or Buttigieg.
Buttigieg is the smart play. In 2020 he came first and second in the first two caucus events.
Buttigieg is the smart play. In 2020 he came first and second in the first two caucus events.
I thought about Pete Buttigieg tbf. He has the profile that would make him a decent candidate.
Some political commentators are suggesting that opening it up could make the race messy for the Dems since VP Harris has accepted the endorsements.
Reply 58
The American system continues to show that power does not reside with the President but a small group of elites that comprise donors, senior politicians and political animals.
They kept the man as president for years knowing that he was in trouble then threw him away when he served his purpose.
They kept the man as president for years knowing that he was in trouble then threw him away when he served his purpose.
Original post by Wired_1800
The American system continues to show that power does not reside with the President but a small group of elites that comprise donors, senior politicians and political animals.
They kept the man as president for years knowing that he was in trouble then threw him away when he served his purpose.
They kept the man as president for years knowing that he was in trouble then threw him away when he served his purpose.
You're confusing acting as president, with how candidates for the *next* presidency are chosen. That's a party political matter not a governing one. Biden isn't stepping down from the presidency, he's just confirmed he's withdrawing from being a candidate for the next presidential cycle. The president has never had the unilateral power to declare themselves as their parties candidate for a second term.
How large political parties choose their leader/presidential candidate will invariably depend on the support that leader can obtain from key stakeholder groups in that party (indeed true of leaders in all sorts of organisations and fields outside politics too).
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