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Reply 80
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it's not speculation, *until* you've decided to step aside (with no going back), your message to the outside world *has* to be, "I'm your man", with little to no dissent from that message. You can't hint to the public that you might withdraw because that will massively weaken your position. I really don't think thats in dispute as sound political strategy.
Of course there was an increased view that he needed to stand down as candidate post the debate because his performance was so poor. When you have a big set piece event like that where you mess it up it's undoubtedly going to push the balance more in favour (it'd be strange if the debate *hadn't* shifted the dial)
Would it have been better if Biden had stood down earlier? *Absolutely*, but he refused to, and so we are where we are... Earlier would have been better, but given the choice between "now", "later" and "too late", Now is the best option.
Of course there was an increased view that he needed to stand down as candidate post the debate because his performance was so poor. When you have a big set piece event like that where you mess it up it's undoubtedly going to push the balance more in favour (it'd be strange if the debate *hadn't* shifted the dial)
Would it have been better if Biden had stood down earlier? *Absolutely*, but he refused to, and so we are where we are... Earlier would have been better, but given the choice between "now", "later" and "too late", Now is the best option.
Reply 81
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Original post by Wired_1800
What link do you want? It has been known for weeks that he was being pushed out. It is amazing that you seem to be uninformed.
As asked for several times, a link about what this flushing means as you obviously keep repeating it and who these elite//deep state are that you mention and what role they have.
The bbc link I posted seemed reliable/informed about his decision process to stop running. If you regard that as "uninformed", so be it.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 82
Original post by mqb2766
As asked for several times, a link about what this flushing means as you obviously keep repeating it and who these elite//deep state are that you mention and what role they have.
The bbc link I posted seemed reliable/informed about his decision process to stop running. If you regard that as "uninformed", so be it.
The bbc link I posted seemed reliable/informed about his decision process to stop running. If you regard that as "uninformed", so be it.
These are pure speculation as i mentioned to another member. What we are facts:
1.
President Biden has been alleged to have cognitive decline through repeated issues over several years that have been covered by the media
2.
President Biden ran for re-election and the Democratic Party paved the way for him despite some unsuccessful challenges by RFK Jr and another individual.
3.
President Biden secured the primary nominations unopposed for his Party and was leading to a coronation by his party in August.
4.
President Biden challenged Trump to a debate in July that was seen to help bolster his numbers.
5.
President Biden fumbled that debate which triggered growing calls for him to step down, first by politicians on the periphery of the party then those in the centre who wielded the real power e.g. Pelosi, Obama, Clinton etc.
6.
Up to the morning of Sunday, President Biden was fervently and adamantly in support of remaining in the race, to the extent of confirming his decision whilst isolating.
7.
President Biden suddenly decided to step aside on Sunday afternoon after an allegation of some meetings with ‘senior democrats’.
Reply 83
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Original post by Wired_1800
These are pure speculation as i mentioned to another member. What we are facts:
If you think he was not flushed out, that’s your view. I would still maintain that he was flushed out based on the series of events.
1.
President Biden has been alleged to have cognitive decline through repeated issues over several years that have been covered by the media
2.
President Biden ran for re-election and the Democratic Party paved the way for him despite some unsuccessful challenges by RFK Jr and another individual.
3.
President Biden secured the primary nominations unopposed for his Party and was leading to a coronation by his party in August.
4.
President Biden challenged Trump to a debate in July that was seen to help bolster his numbers.
5.
President Biden fumbled that debate which triggered growing calls for him to step down, first by politicians on the periphery of the party then those in the centre who wielded the real power e.g. Pelosi, Obama, Clinton etc.
6.
Up to the morning of Sunday, President Biden was fervently and adamantly in support of remaining in the race, to the extent of confirming his decision whilst isolating.
7.
President Biden suddenly decided to step aside on Sunday afternoon after an allegation of some meetings with ‘senior democrats’.
Wired - just to take a step back - when you say "flushed out" - what do you mean exactly?
On points 6 & 7 of your timeline - I've already explained this twice to you - if you are the candidate, you *have* to insist your are staying unless you are 100% committed to withdrawing already. If you're unsure, you *cannot* say that for the obvious derailment of your campaign it creates - so it's not a surprise at all that up until the moment of making that final decision to withdraw that Biden's line on remaining as candidate would be "absolutely yes".
Reply 84
Original post by Driving_Mad
You were very vocal about Trump's history and personal life. What do you make of Harris'?
Given the criticism Trump has received for his personal life, we should keep the same energy regarding Kamala Harris. Just to maintain consistency, she had a long affair with a married man that allegedly helped her to work her way up the political ladder. She also sent almost 2000 people to jail for offences related to marijuana, mocking them when she smoked it herself.
However, the main point is her role as vice-president. Her role was to manage immigration, which she failed to do. This resulted in the amount of migrants crossing the border reaching a record high.
If Kamala Harris couldn't manage this one specific issue, how can we be confident in her managing a whole lot of issues as president?
Given the criticism Trump has received for his personal life, we should keep the same energy regarding Kamala Harris. Just to maintain consistency, she had a long affair with a married man that allegedly helped her to work her way up the political ladder. She also sent almost 2000 people to jail for offences related to marijuana, mocking them when she smoked it herself.
However, the main point is her role as vice-president. Her role was to manage immigration, which she failed to do. This resulted in the amount of migrants crossing the border reaching a record high.
If Kamala Harris couldn't manage this one specific issue, how can we be confident in her managing a whole lot of issues as president?
For whatever bad thing Harris has done, I have no doubt Trump has done 10x more. Recall this is a man who joked about sexual harassment, stormed into the changing room of underage girls, falsified details and was convicted of fraud, was recorded ordering a state-level politician to 'find more votes' (commit electoral fraud), encouraged his deranged supporters to start an insurrection and "stop the steal", insulted disabled people, insulted prisoners of war, bragged about his real estate on the day of 9/11, made sweeping racist remarks about foreign people, suggested people drink bleach to treat infection, denied the nationality of opposing politicians, suggested that vaccines cause autism, denied climate change, etc.
It's very easy to be better than Trump, very easy.
Reply 85
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Original post by Wired_1800
These are pure speculation as i mentioned to another member. What we are facts:
If you think he was not flushed out, that’s your view. I would still maintain that he was flushed out based on the series of events.
1.
President Biden has been alleged to have cognitive decline through repeated issues over several years that have been covered by the media
2.
President Biden ran for re-election and the Democratic Party paved the way for him despite some unsuccessful challenges by RFK Jr and another individual.
3.
President Biden secured the primary nominations unopposed for his Party and was leading to a coronation by his party in August.
4.
President Biden challenged Trump to a debate in July that was seen to help bolster his numbers.
5.
President Biden fumbled that debate which triggered growing calls for him to step down, first by politicians on the periphery of the party then those in the centre who wielded the real power e.g. Pelosi, Obama, Clinton etc.
6.
Up to the morning of Sunday, President Biden was fervently and adamantly in support of remaining in the race, to the extent of confirming his decision whilst isolating.
7.
President Biden suddenly decided to step aside on Sunday afternoon after an allegation of some meetings with ‘senior democrats’.
As youve not answered the questions several times, not posted any links about flushing/deepstate/elite and the other member has also asked what you mean. I can only assume it will never happen. The other member has posted the obvious interpretation in that you have to say youre running until you finally decide that youre not. The bbc article was based on people at the meeting, so your allegations/speculation labels are misinformed.
Reply 86
Original post by Driving_Mad
I'm not going to ask you to provide sources for all your claims but I feel like a lot of people get offended by things when they aren't actually insults. This is very common for people on the left specifically.
I'm not denying Trump has done some things of misjudgement, I'm just saying Harris has too but this isn't being talked about.
The thing I care most about is how likely both leaders are to implement their policies. I trust Trump to do this more than Harris.
Harris had one role which was to reduce immigration as vice-president - she failed in this role.
I'm not denying Trump has done some things of misjudgement, I'm just saying Harris has too but this isn't being talked about.
The thing I care most about is how likely both leaders are to implement their policies. I trust Trump to do this more than Harris.
Harris had one role which was to reduce immigration as vice-president - she failed in this role.
I can provide a source to each and every one of those claims, plus more. Merely the first handful should be enough for anyone to realise that Trump is a horrible person. I don't doubt that Harris has said or done bad things, the point is that it would be very hard for her to have done even a fraction of the bad things Trump has done.
You're in no better position to talk about policy. Presidents have far more power than vice presidents. Trump, who had that power, failed to reduce immigration while he was in office (despite having control of both the House and Senate). He couldn't and didn't build his wall, parts of it even fell down.
Biden and Harris have recently tried to push the largest policy on immigration in recent decades. It was blocked by, you guessed it, Trump supporters in the House.
Reply 87
Original post by mqb2766
As youve not answered the questions several times, not posted any links about flushing/deepstate/elite and the other member has also asked what you mean. I can only assume it will never happen. The other member has posted the obvious interpretation in that you have to say youre running until you finally decide that youre not. The bbc article was based on people at the meeting, so your allegations/speculation labels are misinformed.
Ok. No problem.
Reply 88
Original post by Driving_Mad
So you are admitting that Biden failed to control the immigration problem, something you claimed otherwise a few weeks ago?
@Wired_1800
@Wired_1800
What did I claim a few weeks ago?
Reply 89
Original post by AMac86
Wired - just to take a step back - when you say "flushed out" - what do you mean exactly?
On points 6 & 7 of your timeline - I've already explained this twice to you - if you are the candidate, you *have* to insist your are staying unless you are 100% committed to withdrawing already. If you're unsure, you *cannot* say that for the obvious derailment of your campaign it creates - so it's not a surprise at all that up until the moment of making that final decision to withdraw that Biden's line on remaining as candidate would be "absolutely yes".
On points 6 & 7 of your timeline - I've already explained this twice to you - if you are the candidate, you *have* to insist your are staying unless you are 100% committed to withdrawing already. If you're unsure, you *cannot* say that for the obvious derailment of your campaign it creates - so it's not a surprise at all that up until the moment of making that final decision to withdraw that Biden's line on remaining as candidate would be "absolutely yes".
‘Flushed out’ means removed.
It is shocking that some people’s cognitive ability want to see an article that says “Joe Biden was flushed out”.
President Biden has repeatedly confirmed that he was 100% committed on staying despite earlier calls to step aside. Last week, there were media claims that major donors and senior Dems begun to make direct representations to the President to step aside. Apparently a meeting was had on Friday and another on Saturday, he stepped down on Sunday.
The big issue is that one side thinks that Biden stood aside on his own volition, my side thinks that Biden was removed by the powers that be or flushed out.
Reply 90
VP Harris has secured the support of many delegates and is poised to clinch the Democratic Party nomination.
I look forward to a Trump vs Harris debate. I hope for Trump to be elected in November.
I look forward to a Trump vs Harris debate. I hope for Trump to be elected in November.
Reply 91
Original post by Driving_Mad
Are you nervous that the opposition is someone who is so passionate about abortion? Do you think this could shift the results of the election?
It could be tough esp with the pro-abortion stance. I am personally against abortion but I agree that a woman should be allowed to do what she wants with her body as long as it does not involve ending another’s life.
Reply 92
Original post by Wired_1800
VP Harris has secured the support of many delegates and is poised to clinch the Democratic Party nomination.
I look forward to a Trump vs Harris debate. I hope for Trump to be elected in November.
I look forward to a Trump vs Harris debate. I hope for Trump to be elected in November.
i look forward to a trump-harris debate as well
Reply 93
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Original post by Driving_Mad
Are you nervous that the opposition is someone who is so passionate about abortion? Do you think this could shift the results of the election?
No.
People don't typically vote on social issues even in 2020. Even now the republicans hold a plurality of governorships which tells us it's not even the predominant issue down ballot.
Reply 94
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Original post by Wired_1800
‘Flushed out’ means removed.
It is shocking that some people’s cognitive ability want to see an article that says “Joe Biden was flushed out”.
President Biden has repeatedly confirmed that he was 100% committed on staying despite earlier calls to step aside. Last week, there were media claims that major donors and senior Dems begun to make direct representations to the President to step aside. Apparently a meeting was had on Friday and another on Saturday, he stepped down on Sunday.
The big issue is that one side thinks that Biden stood aside on his own volition, my side thinks that Biden was removed by the powers that be or flushed out.
It is shocking that some people’s cognitive ability want to see an article that says “Joe Biden was flushed out”.
President Biden has repeatedly confirmed that he was 100% committed on staying despite earlier calls to step aside. Last week, there were media claims that major donors and senior Dems begun to make direct representations to the President to step aside. Apparently a meeting was had on Friday and another on Saturday, he stepped down on Sunday.
The big issue is that one side thinks that Biden stood aside on his own volition, my side thinks that Biden was removed by the powers that be or flushed out.
OK, so for the *third* time - if you're a party leader/presidential candidate, up until the point at which you're 100% committed to withdrawing, your answer to any questions regarding stepping aside has to be "no". So it's not surprising at all that at all times prior to Biden formally withdrawing that he said he was 100% committed to staying as the candidate.
I'm really not sure who you are arguing against - no one is claiming Biden stood down without external pressure - that's a complete straw man. There's been months of commentating on whether he should stand down, intensified after the debate performance. *Lots* of factors feed into Biden stepping down, do the views of senior party figures feed into that? Yes, of course they do, thats *why* they are senior party figures.
Reply 95
Original post by AMac86
OK, so for the *third* time - if you're a party leader/presidential candidate, up until the point at which you're 100% committed to withdrawing, your answer to any questions regarding stepping aside has to be "no". So it's not surprising at all that at all times prior to Biden formally withdrawing that he said he was 100% committed to staying as the candidate.
I'm really not sure who you are arguing against - no one is claiming Biden stood down without external pressure - that's a complete straw man. There's been months of commentating on whether he should stand down, intensified after the debate performance. *Lots* of factors feed into Biden stepping down, do the views of senior party figures feed into that? Yes, of course they do, thats *why* they are senior party figures.
I'm really not sure who you are arguing against - no one is claiming Biden stood down without external pressure - that's a complete straw man. There's been months of commentating on whether he should stand down, intensified after the debate performance. *Lots* of factors feed into Biden stepping down, do the views of senior party figures feed into that? Yes, of course they do, thats *why* they are senior party figures.
Look, man. I think I am done. You can believe whatever you want about this case. My position remains the same.
Reply 96
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Original post by Driving_Mad
Kamala Harris supports free healthcare for illegal immigrants.
Do you and other Harris supporters support this notion?
Do you and other Harris supporters support this notion?
Those decisions are made at a state level
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/12/29/1221780712/more-states-extend-health-coverage-to-immigrants-even-as-issue-inflames-gop
and the numbers/cost are typically capped.
Reply 97
Original post by Driving_Mad
Kamala Harris supports free healthcare for illegal immigrants.
Do you and other Harris supporters support this notion?
Do you and other Harris supporters support this notion?
Can you provide a source? I know she supports universal healthcare, which I agree with, but I have never heard she thinks it should extend to illegal immigrants.
You have also ignored everything I said about Trump. For whatever bad thing Harris has said, you can find 10x times more bad things Trump has said. On policy Trump is a loser, he failed to push through his major plans even when he had control over the House and Senate. Harris we cannot properly judge in the same way, since VPs do not hold nearly as much power as presidents do; furthermore, she and Biden have been blocked by deluded MAGA fanatics in the House.
Reply 98
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum.
I follow USA elections because of their influence on the stock and crypto markets, although I don't have the right to vote as I live in Europe.
I have one question: Do you think Joe Biden's resignation strengthened their position?
Do you think Kamala Haris is a good move?
I follow USA elections because of their influence on the stock and crypto markets, although I don't have the right to vote as I live in Europe.
I have one question: Do you think Joe Biden's resignation strengthened their position?
Do you think Kamala Haris is a good move?
Reply 99
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Original post by Driving_Mad
You were very vocal about Trump's history and personal life. What do you make of Harris'?
Given the criticism Trump has received for his personal life, we should keep the same energy regarding Kamala Harris. Just to maintain consistency, she had a long affair with a married man that allegedly helped her to work her way up the political ladder. She also sent almost 2000 people to jail for offences related to marijuana, mocking them when she smoked it herself.
However, the main point is her role as vice-president. Her role was to manage immigration, which she failed to do. This resulted in the amount of migrants crossing the border reaching a record high.
If Kamala Harris couldn't manage this one specific issue, how can we be confident in her managing a whole lot of issues as president?
Given the criticism Trump has received for his personal life, we should keep the same energy regarding Kamala Harris. Just to maintain consistency, she had a long affair with a married man that allegedly helped her to work her way up the political ladder. She also sent almost 2000 people to jail for offences related to marijuana, mocking them when she smoked it herself.
However, the main point is her role as vice-president. Her role was to manage immigration, which she failed to do. This resulted in the amount of migrants crossing the border reaching a record high.
If Kamala Harris couldn't manage this one specific issue, how can we be confident in her managing a whole lot of issues as president?
She didn't have a "long affair with a married man". She dated Willie Brown for one year in 1994, who had been separated from his wife for *12* years.
When her political career started to take off in 2010 I think it is highly unlikely that dating the now elderly former mayor of San Francisco 15 years previously played any material role.
(edited 10 months ago)
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