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I reckon Boris Johnson should be the next Tory leader. I would vote him for him.
Hurrah!

Maybe we should ask Paul Merton to send us one of his Vote-Boris badges
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I found that site yestarday (not sure how) and was going to post it but didn't find a suitable oppertunity.
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Who would be in his shadow cabinet?

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And what policy would that be? Only white, middle-class, public schooled can only stand as Tory candidates? What is the alternative to opening up the Tory party then if, as all parties have done, you cannot parachute people into easy seats.
the literature produced by the party that describes their aims and wishes in encouraging minorities to join and stand to represent the party.
there isnt a need for an alternative, because the current measures go far enough.

Is the selection 'policy' democratic cos if it was surely it would be representative!
yes, i have been through it and seen it. again, you dont seem to understand. you cant force people to stand for selection.
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the literature produced by the party that describes their aims and wishes in encouraging minorities to join and stand to represent the party.
there isnt a need for an alternative, because the current measures go far enough.



yes, i have been through it and seen it. again, you dont seem to understand. you cant force people to stand for selection.

More can be done to encourage them though, which I think would work to the advantage of the Tories electorally. Its evident that the current measures don't go far enough- I can appreciate that you object on an ideological level but I think a big dollop of pragmatism might do the Tories no end of good.
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(Original post by vienna95)
there isnt a need for an alternative, because the current measures go far enough.
They don't otherwise the Tories will be more proportioned like the other parties. Not just about leafleting :rolleyes: !

yes, i have been through it and seen it. again, you dont seem to understand. you cant force people to stand for selection.
I've never said force people!

I belive there are lots of minority groups who are pro-Tory in beliefs and they vote for them. Statistically, therefore, there must be a few who would like to be a Tory MP. Why do Labour and others have many minorities but the Tories don't - are you suggesting that they are being forced :rolleyes: ?
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(Original post by pkonline)
They don't otherwise the Tories will be more proportioned like the other parties. Not just about leafleting :rolleyes: !



I've never said force people!

I belive there are lots of minority groups who are pro-Tory in beliefs and they vote for them. Statistically, therefore, there must be a few who would like to be a Tory MP. Why do Labour and others have many minorities but the Tories don't - are you suggesting that they are being forced :rolleyes: ?
honestly, this is going around in circles...

tories arent proportioned like other parties because they arent the other parties. what is the obsession to see everything equal and the same?

the number of minority Labour voters to LAbour candidates is proportionally the same as that of the Tories.
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(Original post by vienna95)
honestly, this is going around in circles...

tories arent proportioned like other parties because they arent the other parties. what is the obsession to see everything equal and the same?

the number of minority Labour voters to LAbour candidates is proportionally the same as that of the Tories.
Can we have a link?
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Can we have a link?
no.
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(Original post by vienna95)
no.
Dear me, anyone would think you had no evidence to back up your statement about proportion. Since I'm still forming my opinion on the subject, I'd like to see something a bit more substantial then a claim so I can educate myself.
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we dont answer because they are just statements that i wouldnt dispute. the conservative party makeup has never been representative. neither has any political party. as Britons it shouldnt make a difference who stands to represent you in principle. the so-called people of equality are the same ones that want someone of their same colour in parliament to feel represented, purely based on colour or sex..dont you find that abit hypocritical.
Easy for you to say it shouldn't make a difference since there are plenty of MPs who are of the same ethnic and social group as you. For those who aren't white and middle class as you are, the perception might be very different- you actually don't know how it would feel to live in a country where the Parliament where there are very few people who are of the same class and ethnicity as you so its unsurprising that you don't have such an issue with it. Thats not a criticism by the way, I'm merely highlighting the fact that you haven't experienced parliamentary under-representation of your group, except on the issue of gender, and therefore you don't have the experience of marginalisation that, say, a working class Asian woman would have.
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Easy for you to say it shouldn't make a difference since there are plenty of MPs who are of the same ethnic and social group as you. For those who aren't white and middle class as you are, the perception might be very different- you actually don't know how it would feel to live in a country where the Parliament where there are very few people who are of the same class and ethnicity as you so its unsurprising that you don't have such an issue with it. Thats not a criticism by the way, I'm merely highlighting the fact that you haven't experienced parliamentary under-representation of your group, except on the issue of gender, and therefore you don't have the experience of marginalisation that, say, a working class Asian woman would have.
hear hear vienna!
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(Original post by vienna95)
no.
Why is theres a porn link of a woman bent over with her crutch open on your profile?
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no.
Have conservative ministers/whatever resorted to lying to win votes.
Desperate times call for desperate measures i suppose
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Easy for you to say it shouldn't make a difference since there are plenty of MPs who are of the same ethnic and social group as you. For those who aren't white and middle class as you are, the perception might be very different- you actually don't know how it would feel to live in a country where the Parliament where there are very few people who are of the same class and ethnicity as you so its unsurprising that you don't have such an issue with it. Thats not a criticism by the way, I'm merely highlighting the fact that you haven't experienced parliamentary under-representation of your group, except on the issue of gender, and therefore you don't have the experience of marginalisation that, say, a working class Asian woman would have.
yes it is very easy for me to say because its a matter of principle. you may feel under-represented by the Government but the current system is a democratic and open process. my point is, in trying to create this ideological perfection you are destroying the very principle of parliament, democracy. and we are talking about the Conservative party. if you feel that they dont represent your interests, then dont vote for them. if they do then do. the variety of standing candidates reflects the number of voters. if they are not elected there is nothing the party can do. this holds for government and every other party. the policies in place within the Conservative party and parliament as a whole reflect 100% commitment to equality and encouragement towards standing minority candidates. jeopardising the party by engineering candidates, bypassing the party members is a terrible loss of democracy.
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
Have conservative ministers/whatever resorted to lying to win votes.
Desperate times call for desperate measures i suppose
which conservative minister has lied?
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hear hear vienna!
thanks. although i think you meant lala.
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hmm...
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(Original post by vienna95)
tories arent proportioned like other parties because they arent the other parties. what is the obsession to see everything equal and the same?
Not obsession. Many people feel that they should be able to relate to a political party, and in one way image is quite important. The image can be refelctive of attitude and policy. I don't care of the Tories don't change - they'll lose potential voters which I'm happy with.

the number of minority Labour voters to LAbour candidates is proportionally the same as that of the Tories.
I think we are going round in circles. I said that afew few points ago when you believed that minorities just didn't vote Tory. Now you accept my points, tell me why, if there are lots of minority voters, why there are nearly as many candiates and MPs.
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Not obsession. Many people feel that they should be able to relate to a political party, and in one way image is quite important. The image can be refelctive of attitude and policy. I don't care of the Tories don't change - they'll lose potential voters which I'm happy with.
but the conservative party changing will mean a change in policy and by gaining the voters that you describe you will lose those who are conservative in principle. if the party dies because not enough people believe in the tory beliefs then so be it. no engineering. i think it also would be disappointing to imagine that minorities who hope to champion the breakdown of racial and ethnic barriers, vote for a party based on the colour of their candidate and not on policy and what the party could do for them.

I think we are going round in circles. I said that afew few points ago when you believed that minorities just didn't vote Tory. Now you accept my points, tell me why, if there are lots of minority voters, why there are nearly as many candiates and MPs.
what points have i accepted? read the statement again.

the number of minority Labour voters to Labour candidates(ie a ratio) is proportionally the same as that of the Tories
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(Original post by vienna95)
but the conservative party changing will mean a change in policy and by gaining the voters that you describe you will lose those who are conservative in principle. if the party dies because not enough people believe in the tory beliefs then so be it. no engineering. i think it also would be disappointing to imagine that minorities who hope to champion the breakdown of racial and ethnic barriers, vote for a party based on the colour of their candidate and not on policy and what the party could do for them.



what points have i accepted? read the statement again.

the number of minority Labour voters to Labour candidates(ie a ratio) is proportionally the same as that of the Tories

"Why is theres a porn link of a woman bent over with her crutch open on your profile?"

Well? I wondered that too to be honest
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