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#421
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(Original post by Unregistereds)
"Why is theres a porn link of a woman bent over with her crutch open on your profile?"

Well? I wondered that too to be honest
PML!

*harsh but funny*
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#422
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yes it is very easy for me to say because its a matter of principle. you may feel under-represented by the Government but the current system is a democratic and open process. my point is, in trying to create this ideological perfection you are destroying the very principle of parliament, democracy. and we are talking about the Conservative party. if you feel that they dont represent your interests, then dont vote for them. if they do then do. the variety of standing candidates reflects the number of voters. if they are not elected there is nothing the party can do. this holds for government and every other party. the policies in place within the Conservative party and parliament as a whole reflect 100% commitment to equality and encouragement towards standing minority candidates. jeopardising the party by engineering candidates, bypassing the party members is a terrible loss of democracy.
I can appreciate that there is an ideological element to your views and I'm not actually criticising you for that- we've all got our principles. Like I said though, I do wonder whether you'd stick so firmly to this if you felt that your ethnic or social group was inadequately represented. Since it obviously isnt, you being white and middle class, its no surprise that you dont feel so keenly the fact that our Parliament is dominated by one particular group- white middle class males. Again, I'll stress that this isnt intended as a criticism, its a discussion of the way your cultural experience perhaps means you have different views to someone who actually feels marginalised because of the current situation.
I'm not arguing with you over the issue of ethnic minority representation in the Tories- what I wrote is a side issue, and I think there have been enough good points made about why it would be to their electoral advantage so I wont go into much detail. I do however feel the party would broaden its appeal, which must surely be a priority, by encouraging suitable candidates to consider standing- I'm not talking about kicking out existing MPs, more seeking out prominent local figures in constituencies and giving them the necessary support to fight a seat. The Tories would do well to look at this issue, certainly- it seems like they are in the mood for some change after all.
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#423
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this has gone on far enough now
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#424
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(Original post by vienna95)
what points have i accepted?
Early you said that minorities just didn't vote Tory. Now you accpet that they do.

but the conservative party changing will mean a change in policy
How would it be achange in policy. I'm saying that the selection procedures should be made open and transparent and that ethnic minorites should be shown that the Tories do not have a anti-minority belief. How's that a change in policy? This isn't engineering, its making the party more representative. You could argue that the party is currently being 'engineered' by the current selection policy ie. white, middle-class...

think it also would be disappointing to imagine that minorities who hope to champion the breakdown of racial and ethnic barriers, vote for a party based on the colour of their candidate and not on policy and what the party could do for them.
I'm not saying people vote for an MP based on colour, but that most would ask whether the party is representative, across the board, and therefore understanding of real Britain.
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Please all of you bear in mind the Tories were in power, eg the majority voted for them from the 1970's until 1997. Britain hasn't changed so much since 1997, it's not as if all the "white, posh, upper class" people who voted for them then are now "black, common, working class" people who vote for Labour.

Some people are so damn naive. Of course the Tories will get back in power. The free market is the only thing that makes any sense! Why should I have to pay some ***** a obscene amount of tax everytime I fill up my car?

Lets be honest, with things in this country as they are, lot of the finest brains currently as schools and universities in this country will have no qualms whatsoever about happily spending their working lives somewhere out of the reach of these money snatching fools. Labour punish the rich and reward the poor... damn good incentive to be successful isn't it?

And whilst I'm angry, let me talk about the NHS. Scrap it please. By all means provide free healthcare to those too poor to pay for it. But why should I be able to get free treatment when my parents can happily pay? What really winds me up is driving in any rundown council estates you'll see every house with a Sky Digital dish. The subscription for that would virtually cover private healthcare premiums, and we'd all be taxed less. People's priorities are spot on in Britain... grrr!!

Anyway, must do something useful.
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#426
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(Original post by pkonline)
Early you said that minorities just didn't vote Tory. Now you accpet that they do.
i assumed that you wouldnt take me literally. i meant and always have meant, in small numbers


How would it be achange in policy. I'm saying that the selection procedures should be made open and transparent and that ethnic minorites should be shown that the Tories do not have a anti-minority belief. How's that a change in policy? This isn't engineering, its making the party more representative. You could argue that the party is currently being 'engineered' by the current selection policy ie. white, middle-class...
ive already established that this is the current case. you want further measures. you couldnt argue its being engineered because candidates are selected democratically. youre not on form, today are you.

I'm not saying people vote for an MP based on colour, but that most would ask whether the party is representative, across the board, and therefore understanding of real Britain.
what would be representative in your eyes? real britain?
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#427
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
How narrow.
Not at all, if one believes in the power of the free market.
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