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Reply 180

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by Wired_1800
I don't think you should get in trouble for your honest view. There are concerns about the push on underaged individuals.

TRS has previously been moderated in a biased manner, with gender critical posts unlawfully removed. TSR appears to have realised that it has been acting unlawfully, and has reduced the amount of unlawful censorship of legally protected speech.

Reply 181

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by Stiffy Byng
Gender dysphoria can only be a mental disorder because there is no evidence of any physical cause for it. There is reliable way to diagnose gender dysphoria. Most young people who claim to have it (or, often, are told that they have it by others) do not still have it five years later.
You have been asked repeatedly why you believe in gender identity. You have not answered.
Your approach to child safety appears cavalier. You appear to think that it is ok to risk the harm done to those who change their minds after irreversible medicalisation in order to benefit those who don't.
First do no harm is the foundation of medicine. Your approach appears to be "harm to some is acceptable as long as some are ok".

I've not answered your questions because they do not come across as you trying to talk with me, rather just you talking at me.

I would be happy to have a conversation about these things one by one, just like I have done with other users. Would you like to do the same?

Reply 182

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by Stiffy Byng
TRS has previously been moderated in a biased manner, with gender critical posts unlawfully removed. TSR appears to have realised that it has been acting unlawfully, and has reduced the amount of unlawful censorship of legally protected speech.

There should be a clampdown on hate speech but honest discussion with no venom or hatred intended should be permitted.

Reply 183

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by imlikeahermit
TSR went through a period of clamping down on those who sit on the political right here, allowing those who unfortunately sit on the left free shots. It’s why this forum is not nearly as active as it once was. Like many companies around the world TSR is foremost a business and therefore its decision was to pander to the left wing agenda we see being pedalled across university campuses across the world.

and yet, you are not allowed to be critical about certain religions. whenever i post any religion-related criticism, no matter how relevant to the thread, or how valid (related to islam specifically, they don't seem to mind me criticisng christianity) i get warnings/reminders.

it used to be the other way round - the 'political left' would be openly crticial towards religion as it doesn't align with most of the 'leftist' values - like lgbtq+ rights, abortion, women's rights. like what's changed?

Reply 184

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by Wired_1800
There should be a clampdown on hate speech but honest discussion with no venom or hatred intended should be permitted.

Define hate speech. Some of the moderators appear to think that stating facts is hate speech, if those facts do not correspond to the absurd beliefs in which schools and universities have indoctrinated many young people.

Like many social media platforms, TSR has been run on the basis of mindless acceptance of illiberal Woke orthodoxies. TSR may now be realising that, if it continues with this, it will find itself on the wrong end of a court judgment.

Reply 185

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by Ciel.
and yet, you are not allowed to be critical about certain religions. whenever i post any religion-related criticism, no matter how relevant to the thread, or how valid (related to islam specifically, they don't seem to mind me criticisng christianity) i get warnings/reminders.
it used to be the other way round - the 'political left' would be openly crticial towards religion as it doesn't align with most of the 'leftist' values - like lgbtq+ rights, abortion, women's rights. like what's changed?

Much of the so called left has become illiberal, intolerant, and reactionary. They support Islamism, anti-semitism, and pseudoscience, and oppose plurality of thought. They have abandoned universalism.

Susan Neiman's book "Left is not Woke" is worth a read.

https://www.thepodcastbrowser.com/susan-neiman-on-left-is-not-woke/

Reply 186

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by imlikeahermit
TSR went through a period of clamping down on those who sit on the political right here, allowing those who unfortunately sit on the left free shots. It’s why this forum is not nearly as active as it once was. Like many companies around the world TSR is foremost a business and therefore its decision was to pander to the left wing agenda we see being pedalled across university campuses across the world.

Some issues, such as gender ideology, are not right vs left issues. The clearest critique of gender ideology comes from the non-Woke left.

I am am old lefty. Because I am old, and was educated before the decline in critical thnking in schools and universities, I have not fallen for the drivel spouted by Judith Butler el al.

Wokery plays into the hands of the right. Go Woke, go broke applies in politics as well as business.

Reply 187

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by Stiffy Byng
Much of the so called left has become illiberal, intolerant, and reactionary. They support Islamism, anti-semitism, and pseudoscience, and oppose plurality of thought. They have abandoned universalism.
Susan Neiman's book "Left is not Woke" is worth a read.
https://www.thepodcastbrowser.com/susan-neiman-on-left-is-not-woke/

i don't understand how can they support a religion that so fundamentally disagrees with the things they stand for. like they will say 'oh they are free to have their religious beliefs!'. but if a non-religious person has the same view that opposes theirs, but it's based on their political views and not religion, that's not okay and they're ready to lynch them, lol
it makes no logical sense

Reply 188

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by imlikeahermit
It’s a mental disorder that should be treated as such with cognitive therapy. It is not a physical disorder.
Your response to this shows as another poster has pointed out your cavalier attitude towards child safety. Few people know what they want to even do career wise at 17. The notion that one could then fully believe they want to transform their body in somewhat irreversible ways at that age is ridiculous.
They legally had the capacity to do that yes, but they should not have been given the opportunity to do so.

Gender dysphoria is a mental health illness, like how depression and anxiety are mental health illnesses, but simply being transgender (which doesn't require gender dysphoria) is not. Why do you think it is?

Are you opposed to allowing 16-17 year olds to making their own medical decisions in general, or only for something like this?

Reply 189

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by Ciel.
i don't understand how can they support a religion that so fundamentally disagrees with the things they stand for. like they will say 'oh they are free to have their religious beliefs!'. but if a non-religious person has the same view that opposes theirs, but it's based on their political views and not religion, that's not okay and they're ready to lynch them, lol
it makes no logical sense

Supporting someone's freedom to practice their religion and supporting the religion itself are different things. Most people on the left do not accept the teachings of Christianity and Islam (at least not the fundamentalist / conservative teachings), but believe that people should have the freedom to believe and practice those religions if they want to.

Reply 190

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by SHallowvale
Gender dysphoria is a mental health illness, like how depression and anxiety are mental health illnesses, but simply being transgender (which doesn't require gender dysphoria) is not. Why do you think it is?
Are you opposed to allowing 16-17 year olds to making their own medical decisions in general, or only for something like this?

What on Earth does "simply being transgender" mean? How can a doctor tell when a child is "simply being transgender"? An X ray? A blood test? An MRI scan?

If "being transgender" is not an illness, then why give people drugs or suggest surgery? What is the doctor treating?

Would you give diet drugs to an anorexic? If not, why not?

Reply 191

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by SHallowvale
Supporting someone's freedom to practice their religion and supporting the religion itself are different things. Most people on the left do not accept the teachings of Christianity and Islam (at least not the fundamentalist / conservative teachings), but believe that people should have the freedom to believe and practice those religions if they want to.

too bad they don't support our freedom to even exist in islamic countries. homosexuality/transgenderism are still a criminal offence in many islamic countries

Reply 192

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by Stiffy Byng
What on Earth does "simply being transgender" mean? How can a doctor tell when a child is "simply being transgender"? An X ray? A blood test? An MRI scan?
If "being transgender" is not an illness, then why give people drugs or suggest surgery? What is the doctor treating?
Would you give diet drugs to an anorexic? If not, why not?

It would be futile for me to write a detailed reply because I don't get the impression that you want to have a proper 1-1 conversation. 🤷*♂️

I keep asking if you would like to have one and you refuse to answer, so...

Reply 193

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by Ciel.
too bad they don't support our freedom to even exist in islamic countries. homosexuality/transgenderism are still a criminal offence in many islamic countries

Of course they do, why do you think they don't? The treatment of minorities in conservative countries (like Middle Eastern countries) is horrendous and human rights organisations have been vocal about this for quite some time.

I've had social conservatives on the right criticise me for saying this before, to the effecr of 'stop telling other countries what to do!'. 🤦*♀️

Reply 194

Original post
by Stiffy Byng
Define hate speech. Some of the moderators appear to think that stating facts is hate speech, if those facts do not correspond to the absurd beliefs in which schools and universities have indoctrinated many young people.
Like many social media platforms, TSR has been run on the basis of mindless acceptance of illiberal Woke orthodoxies. TSR may now be realising that, if it continues with this, it will find itself on the wrong end of a court judgment.

I would consider it to be speech geared towards the hatred of a person or a group that can lead to violence.

Reply 195

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by SHallowvale
Gender dysphoria is a mental health illness, like how depression and anxiety are mental health illnesses, but simply being transgender (which doesn't require gender dysphoria) is not. Why do you think it is?
Are you opposed to allowing 16-17 year olds to making their own medical decisions in general, or only for something like this?

Yes. Age of consent for medical decisions should be 18. Up until then parents and guardians aided by doctors should give consent.

How on earth you can believe that those at 16 years old should be able to give an informed opinion on if they want life altering surgery is simply beyond me.

Reply 196

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by SHallowvale
Of course they do, why do you think they don't? The treatment of minorities in conservative countries (like Middle Eastern countries) is horrendous and human rights organisations have been vocal about this for quite some time.
I've had social conservatives on the right criticise me for saying this before, to the effecr of 'stop telling other countries what to do!'. 🤦*♀️

Couldn’t agree more with them. Stop telling other countries what to do. Plenty to sort out in our own house that’s currently ablaze without casting opinions on other countries.

Reply 197

Original post
by SHallowvale
Of course they do, why do you think they don't? The treatment of minorities in conservative countries (like Middle Eastern countries) is horrendous and human rights organisations have been vocal about this for quite some time.
I've had social conservatives on the right criticise me for saying this before, to the effecr of 'stop telling other countries what to do!'. 🤦*♀️

then why are we not allowed to openly criticize their 'values' in our own country? and yet they are free to do whatever they like?

Reply 198

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by imlikeahermit
Yes. Age of consent for medical decisions should be 18. Up until then parents and guardians aided by doctors should give consent.
How on earth you can believe that those at 16 years old should be able to give an informed opinion on if they want life altering surgery is simply beyond me.

Do you think that should apply to all medical decisions (e.g. any treatment someone could possible take) or just serious medical decisions (e.g. surgery)? To use an example I asked another user, do you think a 16 year old is too young to give informed consent to take paracetamol?

If someone shows they have the maturity, intelligence and capacity to give informed consent then why shouldn't they be given the freedom to persue life altering surgery? To me, provided someone can give informed consent to treatment then it doesn't matter if they are 16 or 65; they should be given autonomy over their lives, regardless of whether they have later regrets.

You also haven't told me why you think being transgender is a mental disorder.

Reply 199

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by imlikeahermit
Couldn’t agree more with them. Stop telling other countries what to do. Plenty to sort out in our own house that’s currently ablaze without casting opinions on other countries.

@Ciel This is the sort of response I was referring to. People on the left do criticise religious conservatives, either in this country or another, but the response from the right tends to be 'stop telling people what to do'.

People are free to criticise the values of others in their own country. In my experience this is perfectly fine if people are civil about it, unfortunately there is a lot of overlap between criticism of religious beliefs and criticism of, say, immigration and freedom to hold beliefs. It's one of the reasons why conversations about it can get shut down.

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