Puberty blockers for under-18s banned indefinitely across the UK

There are good scientific reasons to conduct a clinical trial on the efficacy of puberty blockers.
Gender identity and gender dyphoria exist, being objective or subjective doesn't matter.
Puberty blockers do not amount to "mutilation" or sterilisation. "Drugging" children is something that happens all the time, it isn't inherently bad.
Being transgender is neither sexist or homophobic. Opposition to transgender rights is perfectly compatible to opposition to LGB rights and uses the same arguments. The LGB Alliance are not the 'voice of reason'.
Harm principles in medicine do not prohibit trials to assess medicine even if it could have negative side effects, nor does it make them unethical.
Support for transgender people is not unscientific.
There is evidence to support the use of puberty blockers for transgender people.
Support for transgender people is not comparable to urging anorexic people to eat less.
There is no point in me going through these in further detail. I tried this with your earlier, when you said clinical trials could never be safe or ethical, but you immediately jumped to 5-6 different claims and started rambling about them instead. 🤷*♀️

Please take off your pinky-blue sunglasses and look at the brutal reality of what you wish to inflict on children. Please reflect on the inhumane nature of the ideology to which you subscribe.
https://youtu.be/fqq1IxGHsVE
Please ask yourself why you believe in gender identity. Gender identity cannot be detected by science. The number of alleged identities grows all the time. Some are based on historically ill-informed and colonialist misrepresentations of pre-industrial societies.
The notion of gender identity is premised on laughable 1950s stereotypes. Pink for a girl, blue for a boy. Really? Children deserve better than such claptrap. Doctors should have nothing to do with such anti-scientific cant.

idk how i feel about the whole thing. the sudden increase in trans people in the last few years almost feels like a trend/subculture. like a lot of teens on tiktok constantly change their identities/pronouns etc. nothing wrong with experimenting but it feels... odd? some of them take hormones too, and i'm not sure if they realise the potential long term effects?
btw, i remember watching some kind of a documentary, many years ago, clearly stating that puperty blockers are 100% safe and all they do is temporarily pause puberty, until a child can mentally mature, and make their mind up about transitioning etc. in fact, some sources still say that. but some research says that they can actually cause long term, even pernament changes to the body. so everyone's been lied to basically

Transgender people have been increasingly accepted by society over the last decade in the same way that gay and lesbian people had become increasingly accepted by society in the 80s and 90s. It's natural that this will allow more people to come out as transgender, whereas before they would either 'stay in the closet' (for fear of societal backlash). 🙂 More power to them, in my opinion. People should be free to live a life that they find most comfortable.
Hormones can have long term and permanent changes to the body, but as far as I'm aware puberty blockers do not. That's the opinion of organisations like the Mayo Clinic and Healthline, at least.

to a certain degree - sure. but there's more to it. it almost feels like a subculture now. a lot of those guys constantly change their identity and pronouns or 'detransition' after they explore their identity for a bit. the same thing is happening with some mental illnesses on tiktok. like you get a lot of teens claiming they have DID and several alters - either purely for attention or just because they are lost/struggling with other mh issues. so yeah, my point is - teens are super indecisive and a lot of them are struggling with their identity. let them explore it but maybe drugs with some potentially long term efects might not be the best solution unless they are 100% certain they know what they're signing up for
i'm no expert but apparently that's not always the case? there's some evidence that shows long-term use of puberty blockers can reduce bone density, affect height or even result in underdeveloped reproductive organs and genitalia - as in permanently

I'd take social media with a pinch of salt as it isn't a particularly representative sample of what people are like. 😅 There may well be people who transition for the sake of attention / fads, but from my experience (at least with adults) this doesn't represent the majority. Everyone I've known to transition (medically or otherwise) has become much happier since.
Do you have a source for that last bit?

given that most teens and young adults have tiktok now, i'd say it's pretty representative? what i'm saying is - we should be cautious bc when you're a kid or even a teen, you tend to make a lot of impulsive choices. i mean, i personally had a satanist phase in my teens...... i remember wanting a **** ton of piercings and tattoos at one point too, lol. i know body mods/spiritual crap are obviously not as serious as what we're discussing but you get what i mean.
but yeah, this is kinda where i'm conflicted on the issue. i don't think most kids are mature enough to fully comprehend the possible implications? but also - once you're mature enough to kinda decide - e.g. when youre in your mid-late teens it's already too late for puberty blockers anyway. so it's a catch 22
sorry, but that was a while ago, so i don't remember any sources. i asked ai for help and this is what it said:

so yeah i feel like there's still a lot we don't know about the potential long term consequences

Even if most people use social media, what we see usually reflects our own interests / communities better than it does the wider population. The majority of posts I see on Twitter, for example, are from LGBT people; this is because I'm part of the LGBT community, but it doesn't mean a majority of people (among the wider population) are LGBT. 🙂
Gender affirming care, at least that provided by the NHS, has always been reserved for those who suffer gender dysphoria the strongest. This is because there is not enough funding to support everyone who needs it. In practice this makes it impossible for someone to be given puberty blockers (or hormones) on a mere impulsive choice, the reality is that people have to wait years before they can get the care they need. The same can be said for mental health services (on which I can personally testify about), the NHS doesn't hand out anti-depressants the moment you tell them you're feeling sad.
I wasn't able to find a source for your third point. It's true that bone density and height are affected by puberty blockers, but it isn't known if these are permanent. They are certainly things which should be monitored in future but I don't think they should stop us from trialling the use of puberty blockers.

so am i. but it kind of weirds me out when people make being lgbt+ their entire identity, like some people do online.
oh, that doesn't surprise me. however, i think the issue lies mostly with private clinics? apparently, some prescribe them after the first or second visit.
my experience with mh services and antidepressants is very different, haha. the opposite, in fact. but nhs services still suck, so i never bother anymore and just go private.

Puberty blockers for under-18s banned indefinitely:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2z0gx3p5o

idk how i feel about the whole thing. the sudden increase in trans people in the last few years almost feels like a trend/subculture. like a lot of teens on tiktok constantly change their identities/pronouns etc. nothing wrong with experimenting but it feels... odd? some of them take hormones too, and i'm not sure if they realise the potential long term effects?
btw, i remember watching some kind of a documentary, many years ago, clearly stating that puperty blockers are 100% safe and all they do is temporarily pause puberty, until a child can mentally mature, and make their mind up about transitioning etc. in fact, some sources still say that. but some research says that they can actually cause long term, even pernament changes to the body. so everyone's been lied to basically

oh, it was a biiiig lie pushed on young kids- during the pandemic especially, imho.
my own example- in 2020, i was at a very young and vulnerable age, and a LOT of my online friends of a similar age at the time were convinced they were something or other, and wanting puberty blockers and "binders" and posting how they hated how they looked (rlly sad in retrospect).
looking back these kids were probably 11/12/13 and just not liking puberty- but the whole thing- (thinking they are the wrong gender, hating their own bodies, basically a lot of negative thinking) was definitely pushed by certain (older) people on the site- these more "influential" older users would basically tell them that yeah, this is super-normal, and to look for hormone therapies, and invest in this that and the other, and that hating themselves for what they inherently are is normal... which is actually super-concerning when i look back on it.
like, maybe some of them were actually "transgender", but the statistics don't match up. i had roughly 5 "closer" friends at the time online, and 4 were convinced their bodies were the wrong sex.
like, you might think i'm "bigoted", but speaking from my own experience, these kids were eating up propaganda of some kind- like not even gonna lie, it was almost cultish, bcs they were being pushed to leave their familial and traditional values (ie, "your religion is wrong, leave it.", "your parents are bad for not supporting this, they don't love you", etc) for something that likely was not real for the majority of them. and it wasn't just those kids, there were 100s of users who were basically going through the same stuff again.
thankfully, it's not as widespread and easily accepted now, because whatever the flip was happening was seriously harmful, and i'm just hoping those kids today didn't have something done that could alter their bodies permanently.
^{side note: i don't hate transgender ppl or whatever, i just think pushing any ideology on young kids who don't know better, and giving them the choice to harm their bodies in such a way, is an awful practice. glad it can't happen in the uk now ✌️}

oh, it was a biiiig lie pushed on young kids- during the pandemic especially, imho.
my own example- in 2020, i was at a very young and vulnerable age, and a LOT of my online friends of a similar age at the time were convinced they were something or other, and wanting puberty blockers and "binders" and posting how they hated how they looked (rlly sad in retrospect).
looking back these kids were probably 11/12/13 and just not liking puberty- but the whole thing- (thinking they are the wrong gender, hating their own bodies, basically a lot of negative thinking) was definitely pushed by certain (older) people on the site- these more "influential" older users would basically tell them that yeah, this is super-normal, and to look for hormone therapies, and invest in this that and the other, and that hating themselves for what they inherently are is normal... which is actually super-concerning when i look back on it.
like, maybe some of them were actually "transgender", but the statistics don't match up. i had roughly 5 "closer" friends at the time online, and 4 were convinced their bodies were the wrong sex.
like, you might think i'm "bigoted", but speaking from my own experience, these kids were eating up propaganda of some kind- like not even gonna lie, it was almost cultish, bcs they were being pushed to leave their familial and traditional values (ie, "your religion is wrong, leave it.", "your parents are bad for not supporting this, they don't love you", etc) for something that likely was not real for the majority of them. and it wasn't just those kids, there were 100s of users who were basically going through the same stuff again.
thankfully, it's not as widespread and easily accepted now, because whatever the flip was happening was seriously harmful, and i'm just hoping those kids today didn't have something done that could alter their bodies permanently.
^{side note: i don't hate transgender ppl or whatever, i just think pushing any ideology on young kids who don't know better, and giving them the choice to harm their bodies in such a way, is an awful practice. glad it can't happen in the uk now ✌️}

oh, it was a biiiig lie pushed on young kids- during the pandemic especially, imho.
my own example- in 2020, i was at a very young and vulnerable age, and a LOT of my online friends of a similar age at the time were convinced they were something or other, and wanting puberty blockers and "binders" and posting how they hated how they looked (rlly sad in retrospect).
looking back these kids were probably 11/12/13 and just not liking puberty- but the whole thing- (thinking they are the wrong gender, hating their own bodies, basically a lot of negative thinking) was definitely pushed by certain (older) people on the site- these more "influential" older users would basically tell them that yeah, this is super-normal, and to look for hormone therapies, and invest in this that and the other, and that hating themselves for what they inherently are is normal... which is actually super-concerning when i look back on it.
like, maybe some of them were actually "transgender", but the statistics don't match up. i had roughly 5 "closer" friends at the time online, and 4 were convinced their bodies were the wrong sex.
like, you might think i'm "bigoted", but speaking from my own experience, these kids were eating up propaganda of some kind- like not even gonna lie, it was almost cultish, bcs they were being pushed to leave their familial and traditional values (ie, "your religion is wrong, leave it.", "your parents are bad for not supporting this, they don't love you", etc) for something that likely was not real for the majority of them. and it wasn't just those kids, there were 100s of users who were basically going through the same stuff again.
thankfully, it's not as widespread and easily accepted now, because whatever the flip was happening was seriously harmful, and i'm just hoping those kids today didn't have something done that could alter their bodies permanently.
^{side note: i don't hate transgender ppl or whatever, i just think pushing any ideology on young kids who don't know better, and giving them the choice to harm their bodies in such a way, is an awful practice. glad it can't happen in the uk now ✌️}

idk how i feel about the whole thing. the sudden increase in trans people in the last few years almost feels like a trend/subculture. like a lot of teens on tiktok constantly change their identities/pronouns etc. nothing wrong with experimenting but it feels... odd? some of them take hormones too, and i'm not sure if they realise the potential long term effects?
btw, i remember watching some kind of a documentary, many years ago, clearly stating that puperty blockers are 100% safe and all they do is temporarily pause puberty, until a child can mentally mature, and make their mind up about transitioning etc. in fact, some sources still say that. but some research says that they can actually cause long term, even pernament changes to the body. so everyone's been lied to basically