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Here is my predicament:

I can't decide between Morse at Warwick and Actuarial Science at LSE?

Somebody help? Which one are people in the same situation choosing first?

Warwick have offered me AAB, LSE have offered me ABB :aetsch: !

What are the pros and cons of each university and course?
Which is more prestigious and enhances my job prospects in either the actuarial profession or in finance?
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i was in the same boat as u and i thought that morse would give me a wider field of experties.... theres v little between the academic side of the unis, but the main difference is location...warwick being on a campus. Although i would be garanteed to have a good time in london, i decided that im one of those people who would have fun whereever i go.
In the actuarial profession i think morse lets u off more of the the exams at the mo but theres v v little in it
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i was in the same boat as u and i thought that morse would give me a wider field of experties.... theres v little between the academic side of the unis, but the main difference is location...warwick being on a campus. Although i would be garanteed to have a good time in london, i decided that im one of those people who would have fun whereever i go.
In the actuarial profession i think morse lets u off more of the the exams at the mo but theres v v little in it
Thanks! IMO, there is very little in in academically, but I feel Warwick has a better campus and is lower in cost, whereas LSE has international prestige and more exemptions!

It is a very difficult decision, but a nice position to be in as I feel, much like yourself, that I would enjoy my experiences at either university!
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u got offered ABB for LSE N321? >_<! I got AAB...
But I am in the same situation with u, I am pretty sure I will get the offer for MMORSE as long as I turn up for it and be sensible (unlike the one I had in UCL~)

I wanted to be involved in long term financial investment planning and mathematical models that solve problems, rather than the usual pension schemes and life-insurance. So abit like u I like the Financial Field more.

At the moment I have weighted the followings for myself:

Location: well...LSE for city life and blah blah blah

Cost of living: yaya, LSE cost more as expected...for me, up to 150% more due to accommodation and after knowing that I will go out quite often if I am in london :P

Resources: While warwick has better research departments, LSE has an impressive library and regular guest speakers invited to do talks on world issues.

Class(?): Warwick...u applied for MMORSE or MORSE? ...for me, MMORSE has 4 year that include masters. Whereas LSE is a Bsc course, and as u know, entering Master after that is also expansive and harder to get in. I would think a Master worth more than Bsc

Careers: now I divide this into many sections:
1) MMORSE is more maths centred course with applied maths in Economic fields (so glad they dun do mechanics in there :P.) This in terms seem to provide a wider range of knowledge, and maths degrees are generally prefered by employers.

The N321 in LSE however is concentrated in Actuarial calculations and theories etc. They would let u specialise in Actuary field and take many exemptions (up to about 7-9 I think, but do check with other people, Lse didn't give me direct answer for this). However, if u wanted to become an Actuary, (so I have heard) employers prefer Maths degree rather than that.

2) career opportunities during the course,
In general LSE has a better career network on main-stream firms and banks within London. I know quite a few people who was in LSE easily got different summer jobs work experience in JP Morgan, HSBC, KPMG, PwC etc.

While Warwick has its own student career service that provide temp work but unrelated or little related to their subjects. The service are connected more to the small-medium sized companies that are located in Birmingham and also quite a few in Greater London. Only little people manage to get direct support to enter main-stream firms.

3) Career prospect after u graduate:
Ok, LSE has good reputation internationally and domesticly, especially with the connections with London companies. However, it is possible that the MMORSE, a Master, will outweight the reputation of LSE in employer's view.

If you like figures, statistics from both Uni have shown to have around 6-8% grads who have nothing to do after 6-months. I would say that since Warwick is a much bigger sch, it means there is more people in number terms that are unemployed after grad. However this number has been from all courses, so might not specifically apply to MMORSE and N321.

4) I have emailed many actuarists last week, and many companies asking for information on job prospects. I asked them for both subjective and objective views, as well as any relavent extra information available for me. So far I have had 3 returns saying they tend not to give direct guidance to which course u should choose, but in general they lean towards LSE in Asia, and MMORSE in UK maths. However for financial fields they recommend me not to worry too much about which course, because the most important thing is to get a First or 2:1, and most employers for finance dun care what course u did. When I get more replies I will keep this thread updated! I have emailed like 20 companies worldwide, people from different career services in UK, the Institution of Actuaries, 8 main-stream companies in London and Birmingham.
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Oh and my own opinion..I am personally prefering MMORSE at the moment, because from the look of the area from the website I know I will love it for its environment! But everyone in my family say LSE would be best if I wanted to go back to Hong Kong to work...At the moment if all things go well, I might do MMORSE, and then Master in LSE, and then work and get qualify for Actuary while working for 3-4 yrs..And then possibly getting an MBA from LBS before going back to HK..but thats just my dream...I might get stuck on the master and MBA going to less rep sch.
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I agree that it is the final result of your degree course that will count.
To which university you attend is down to individual preference.
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u got offered ABB for LSE N321? >_<! I got AAB...
But I am in the same situation with u, I am pretty sure I will get the offer for MMORSE as long as I turn up for it and be sensible (unlike the one I had in UCL~)

I wanted to be involved in long term financial investment planning and mathematical models that solve problems, rather than the usual pension schemes and life-insurance. So abit like u I like the Financial Field more.

At the moment I have weighted the followings for myself:

Location: well...LSE for city life and blah blah blah

Cost of living: yaya, LSE cost more as expected...for me, up to 150% more due to accommodation and after knowing that I will go out quite often if I am in london :P

Resources: While warwick has better research departments, LSE has an impressive library and regular guest speakers invited to do talks on world issues.

Class(?): Warwick...u applied for MMORSE or MORSE? ...for me, MMORSE has 4 year that include masters. Whereas LSE is a Bsc course, and as u know, entering Master after that is also expansive and harder to get in. I would think a Master worth more than Bsc

Careers: now I divide this into many sections:
1) MMORSE is more maths centred course with applied maths in Economic fields (so glad they dun do mechanics in there :P.) This in terms seem to provide a wider range of knowledge, and maths degrees are generally prefered by employers.

The N321 in LSE however is concentrated in Actuarial calculations and theories etc. They would let u specialise in Actuary field and take many exemptions (up to about 7-9 I think, but do check with other people, Lse didn't give me direct answer for this). However, if u wanted to become an Actuary, (so I have heard) employers prefer Maths degree rather than that.

2) career opportunities during the course,
In general LSE has a better career network on main-stream firms and banks within London. I know quite a few people who was in LSE easily got different summer jobs work experience in JP Morgan, HSBC, KPMG, PwC etc.

While Warwick has its own student career service that provide temp work but unrelated or little related to their subjects. The service are connected more to the small-medium sized companies that are located in Birmingham and also quite a few in Greater London. Only little people manage to get direct support to enter main-stream firms.

3) Career prospect after u graduate:
Ok, LSE has good reputation internationally and domesticly, especially with the connections with London companies. However, it is possible that the MMORSE, a Master, will outweight the reputation of LSE in employer's view.

If you like figures, statistics from both Uni have shown to have around 6-8% grads who have nothing to do after 6-months. I would say that since Warwick is a much bigger sch, it means there is more people in number terms that are unemployed after grad. However this number has been from all courses, so might not specifically apply to MMORSE and N321.

4) I have emailed many actuarists last week, and many companies asking for information on job prospects. I asked them for both subjective and objective views, as well as any relavent extra information available for me. So far I have had 3 returns saying they tend not to give direct guidance to which course u should choose, but in general they lean towards LSE in Asia, and MMORSE in UK maths. However for financial fields they recommend me not to worry too much about which course, because the most important thing is to get a First or 2:1, and most employers for finance dun care what course u did. When I get more replies I will keep this thread updated! I have emailed like 20 companies worldwide, people from different career services in UK, the Institution of Actuaries, 8 main-stream companies in London and Birmingham.
Thanks alot mate. But you still haven't made up my mind! I'll try and do some research as well, as I am visiting PWc next week, and keep the thread updated. Hopefully we can both come to a solution that suits us. Where are you edging towards at the moment? I applied to the MMORSE degree but will decide whether or not to do the masters in 2nd year.
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lol if i can't make up my mind, I'm sure the information I gave u won't :P lol I am leaning towards MMORSE at the moment. U visiting PwC? sounds cool, u planning to do gap year or something?
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lol if i can't make up my mind, I'm sure the information I gave u won't :P lol I am leaning towards MMORSE at the moment. U visiting PwC? sounds cool, u planning to do gap year or something?
No I'm going to a students open day held in Birmingham. And hopefully can find out if they prefer the MMORSE or ACTUARIAL SCIENCE degree. Though I doubt they will give me a straight answer.
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Oh in Birmingham? too far away from me! Why can't they come and visit the farmy county of Kent instead lol :P Well, ya, I doubt they will give u a straight answer...They would end up going round and round and ducking your question haha~

well, hope u get useful information from it, and I am gonna use u as a messager and report everything u found out back in this thread :P lol joking, dun be offended!!!~~
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no worries.

I am finding though, that most people prefer MORSE/MMORSE to ACTUARIAL SCIENCE/BMS, c'mon where are all the people sticking up for ACTUARIAL SCIENCE/BMS at LSE?

Does this mean that the LSE is overrated if people are willing to reject it for Warwick?
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Two excellent institutions and two excellent courses. I would go for LSE as its the more prestigious of the two.
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I dunno yet, I am going to Warwick on 16th Feb and LSE on April whenever. I will look around again, and make my decision in Early May. Oh by the way! Do u know that u can get your accommodations applied before u choose to firmly accept or let it be your insurance? I've applied for LSE accommodations already! as for warwick, the online service won't open until 1st of March!
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oh btw, just out of interested..
is mad fer united and mad fer it the same person?
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Thanks alot mate. But you still haven't made up my mind! I'll try and do some research as well, as I am visiting PWc next week, and keep the thread updated. Hopefully we can both come to a solution that suits us. Where are you edging towards at the moment? I applied to the MMORSE degree but will decide whether or not to do the masters in 2nd year.
i applied for mmorse only cause of the funding thing
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I would also go for MORSE. I don't think people should choose LSE over another uni just because it has a better reputation. I think Mathematics related courses should be taught as a 4yr course! At LSE they do it in 3 years and if u want to do Masters u'd have to cough up £15k.Plus it will be harder to get 1st or 2:1 at LSE.

I think Warwick 's reputation will catch up to LSE's in the near future. 60 yrs ago MiT's reputation wasn't anywhere near Harvard or Princeton's but few yrs later mit became M.I.T

I think Warwick's business school 'll buy alot of reputation and respect for warwick in the near future.
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I would also go for MORSE. I don't think people should choose LSE over another uni just because it has a better reputation. I think Mathematics related courses should be taught as a 4yr course! At LSE they do it in 3 years and if u want to do Masters u'd have to cough up £15k.Plus it will be harder to get 1st or 2:1 at LSE.

I think Warwick 's reputation will catch up to LSE's in the near future. 60 yrs ago MiT's reputation wasn't anywhere near Harvard or Princeton's but few yrs later mit became M.I.T

I think Warwick's business school 'll buy alot of reputation and respect for warwick in the near future.
Warwick's reputation is unlikely to surpass LSE's in the near future however. Noone cares even if Warwick's reputation > Harvards, if it happens when we're 80 year olds.
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I would also go for MORSE. I don't think people should choose LSE over another uni just because it has a better reputation. I think Mathematics related courses should be taught as a 4yr course! At LSE they do it in 3 years and if u want to do Masters u'd have to cough up £15k.Plus it will be harder to get 1st or 2:1 at LSE.

I think Warwick 's reputation will catch up to LSE's in the near future. 60 yrs ago MiT's reputation wasn't anywhere near Harvard or Princeton's but few yrs later mit became M.I.T

I think Warwick's business school 'll buy alot of reputation and respect for warwick in the near future.
I get your point and I agree with u in someways. Warwick has been investing in improvement in all areas, though money does not always link to quality, it still has some effects. I think Warwick has been rapidly expanding recently and given that there UG and PG number has been growing every year I would say that they could eventually catch up with the reputation globally.

However I think it will take at least 5 to 10 more years to catch up the social science V.S LSE...Other than that, I think it has proven to be quite well performed in other departments given its ratings and ranks in league table (I know you dun like that but hey ) Well, maybe after I've been there it would be world renowned! (LOL!~ )

Oh! We gonna get killed if we keep talking about warwick rather than LSE in the LSE forum! Watch out :aetsch:
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why would anyone want to spend three years near coventry?
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why would someone want to live in london and get dust coated around their lungs?

lol, i suppose there is health and safety reason, u have longer lifetime if u live in farmy country sides! Its a shame Warwick aint close to a seaside! :P

Well, i suppose the science park is quite an attraction for science students as well...

ggrr, ended up defending Warwick again lol.
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