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Farmers protests across Europe: are the farmers right?

Europe is currently seeing a wave of farmers protests, mostly in response to policies designed to protect the environment or limit climate change. These have included:

Germany: protests against the removal of tax breaks on red diesel

France: protests against reductions in subsidies and free trade negotiations

Poland: protests against the European Green Deal and imports of Ukrainian grain

Netherlands: protests against reducing numbers of livestock and limiting nitrogen pollution

Wales: protests against tree-planting rules and nitrogen pollution regulations

Do you think that these farmers, many of whom feel their livelihoods are on the line, have a point in their protests? Or are they stuck in the past and blocking progress towards more efficient and greener farming?
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Farming in Europe is, for the most part, not viable. It is a loss-making industry that is totally dependent on large state subsidies and artificially high prices. The reason those subsidies continue to exist is largely because governments see maintaining an agricultural base as a form of food security - if we rely on somewhere else for all our food, we're more vulnerable to disruptions - what if there's a war or natural disaster there that severely hits their farming? Or even in more mundane terms, it would severely increase their governments' trade negotiating leverage with us if we didn't have at least some agriculture of our own to fall back on. Is that a worthwhile trade-off? Eh, your mileage may vary.

Additionally, when you think of "farmers", you might have an image in your mind of a few fields around a quaint little countryside family house, where the main farmer is the family patriarch and the work is all done by him with help from his wife and kids, and where they have a handful of farm animals who've all been given names, etc. Those places exist, for sure, but they're declining and are not really the backbone of European food production, in fact their farming is likely even less viable than the industry as a whole. They're getting income from selling their limited produce through farm shops, local markets, and other niche outlets where people will pay a premium for local small brands, from renting out spare land or buildings for things like storage, camping, activities, etc, and other stuff that you don't really think of as "farming", per se. The somewhat more viable (though still hugely loss-making without subsidies) farms are much more likely to be large, industrial, mechanised, sprawling areas that employ at least tens if not hundreds of workers, owned by sizable private businesses which might well have a more bureaucratic ownership structure, with partners, shareholders, etc.

This is all a pretty long way of saying that if we're going to continue to provide such subsidies, it's pretty reasonable to insist that the farms transition to more ecologically friendly methods as part of the deal. So no, I don't really think their protests have much merit.
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Original post by anarchism101
Farming in Europe is, for the most part, not viable. It is a loss-making industry that is totally dependent on large state subsidies and artificially high prices. The reason those subsidies continue to exist is largely because governments see maintaining an agricultural base as a form of food security - if we rely on somewhere else for all our food, we're more vulnerable to disruptions - what if there's a war or natural disaster there that severely hits their farming? Or even in more mundane terms, it would severely increase their governments' trade negotiating leverage with us if we didn't have at least some agriculture of our own to fall back on. Is that a worthwhile trade-off? Eh, your mileage may vary.
Additionally, when you think of "farmers", you might have an image in your mind of a few fields around a quaint little countryside family house, where the main farmer is the family patriarch and the work is all done by him with help from his wife and kids, and where they have a handful of farm animals who've all been given names, etc. Those places exist, for sure, but they're declining and are not really the backbone of European food production, in fact their farming is likely even less viable than the industry as a whole. They're getting income from selling their limited produce through farm shops, local markets, and other niche outlets where people will pay a premium for local small brands, from renting out spare land or buildings for things like storage, camping, activities, etc, and other stuff that you don't really think of as "farming", per se. The somewhat more viable (though still hugely loss-making without subsidies) farms are much more likely to be large, industrial, mechanised, sprawling areas that employ at least tens if not hundreds of workers, owned by sizable private businesses which might well have a more bureaucratic ownership structure, with partners, shareholders, etc.
This is all a pretty long way of saying that if we're going to continue to provide such subsidies, it's pretty reasonable to insist that the farms transition to more ecologically friendly methods as part of the deal. So no, I don't really think their protests have much merit.

You are right. But it isn't a loss making industry because it is inefficient. Quite the reverse. It is loss making simply because we pay too little for our food primarily because food from elsewhere in the world is produced much cheaper.

In other aspects of our economy we have been happy to see traditional industry and manufacturing decline to oblivion in favour of cheaper imports but because food production has always been seen as strategic we have subsided it. Alas those subsidies are out of control and redressing the balance is seeing pretty violent opposition. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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More than a point, the idea that we should be negatively impacting food production for some nebulous ideas on the climate is, frankly, shocking.
On the one hand you have people harping on about food insecurity, climate change destroying food growing regions etc. and at the same time making a point to undermine domestic food production as well...

Then again, those who are protesting for such measures tend to be the well to do middle class types who dont care about rising food costs or those plebs who work on farms so you can probably see a bit of a link there and draw your own conclusions.

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