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What does a new teachers (ECT) timetable and commitment actually look like?

Hello,

I am looking to do a PGCE in science, and I have spent a lot of time reading about workloads, challenges in teaching etc.

I wanted to ask - what does a new teachers timetable actually look like?

And when you are a normal teacher, how much time (in terms of periods/lesson slots) do you get in school actually for planning, assessment etc.?

There also seem to be a lot of flexibility in terms of what academies can put on you as a teacher, i.e. what is considered directed time or even things like parents evenings and other things.

Even if these things are set out in guidelines in normal state schools, do teachers end up doing them anyway? Like give up their lunch break?

I have children who are young, and although I am committed to being a teacher, I cant imagine wanting to throw myself in the deep end by getting involved in lots of after school clubs at my current stage - certainly when they are older.

Just looking for some views from new teachers!

Much appreciated
Reply 1
Hello,
I am looking to do a PGCE in science, and I have spent a lot of time reading about workloads, challenges in teaching etc.
I wanted to ask - what does a new teachers timetable actually look like?
And when you are a normal teacher, how much time (in terms of periods/lesson slots) do you get in school actually for planning, assessment etc.?
There also seem to be a lot of flexibility in terms of what academies can put on you as a teacher, i.e. what is considered directed time or even things like parents evenings and other things.
Even if these things are set out in guidelines in normal state schools, do teachers end up doing them anyway? Like give up their lunch break?
I have children who are young, and although I am committed to being a teacher, I cant imagine wanting to throw myself in the deep end by getting involved in lots of after school clubs at my current stage - certainly when they are older.
Just looking for some views from new teachers!
Much appreciated

An example woul be that a 'normal' load would be 26/30 periods and an ECT 24/30. Directed time should include alll meetings and parents evenings that you are required to attend. Lunchtime is not paid so you cannot be expected to do anything. Some schools offer a free lunch to run a club and senior staff are expected to do more.
Join a union -

I organise the timetable and try to spread non-contacts out but it's not always possible. You would also meet your mentor every week [timetabled].
Reply 2
Original post by Muttley79
An example woul be that a 'normal' load would be 26/30 periods and an ECT 24/30. Directed time should include alll meetings and parents evenings that you are required to attend. Lunchtime is not paid so you cannot be expected to do anything. Some schools offer a free lunch to run a club and senior staff are expected to do more.
Join a union -
I organise the timetable and try to spread non-contacts out but it's not always possible. You would also meet your mentor every week [timetabled].

Thank you for your reply!

I am spending a lot of time reading the NASUWT website, and it is a bit stressful I must say.
Reply 3
Thank you for your reply!
I am spending a lot of time reading the NASUWT website, and it is a bit stressful I must say.

Make sure your first post is in a good school - on interview look out for subtle signs of poor behaviour - graffiti, litter and if you can visit beforehand do. I'm not sure union websites are the best place to look for a real picture of life in schools. We have not seen major changes in behaviour post-covid but we had online teaching going from day one.
Reply 4
Original post by Muttley79
Make sure your first post is in a good school - on interview look out for subtle signs of poor behaviour - graffiti, litter and if you can visit beforehand do. I'm not sure union websites are the best place to look for a real picture of life in schools. We have not seen major changes in behaviour post-covid but we had online teaching going from day one.

Thank your reply, much appreciated!

Reply 5
So, I'm an ECT1 in a secondary school.

I teach 20 out of 25 lessons per week, I have a form 5 mornings a week and do two break duties. My contracted finish time is 3:15 except Tuesdays, where it is 4:15 (factored into direct time) and then the occasional extended Tuesday (to 5:15) and parent's evenings (again, all within the direct time limit). Other than those commitments, which are given to me at the start of the academic year, I don't have to do anything else.

I ran an afterschool club during term 1 but knocked it on the head last term because we started in January with 3 weeks of back-to-back parent's evenings, so I wouldn't have been able to run it anyway.
Reply 6
Original post by ChammyFTT
So, I'm an ECT1 in a secondary school.
I teach 20 out of 25 lessons per week, I have a form 5 mornings a week and do two break duties. My contracted finish time is 3:15 except Tuesdays, where it is 4:15 (factored into direct time) and then the occasional extended Tuesday (to 5:15) and parent's evenings (again, all within the direct time limit). Other than those commitments, which are given to me at the start of the academic year, I don't have to do anything else.
I ran an afterschool club during term 1 but knocked it on the head last term because we started in January with 3 weeks of back-to-back parent's evenings, so I wouldn't have been able to run it anyway.


Thank you ChammyFTT that is really helpful!
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Reply 7
I was a teacher for twenty years. Often, I didn’t get to do a wee between 8 and 4pm, dealing with various sh*t storms as they erupted, never mind have coffee or lunch. I’ve taken work with me when I’ve gone away for half term and sat in a coffee shop for three days doing it.

Your evenings and weekends will be taken up with work. Parents evenings finish at 10pm for two consecutive days in my experience. Academies can pretty much make you do what they want.

Don’t base your choice on concessions you get for your NQT year because you’ll have a full timetable after that; it’s full on. I wouldn’t want to do it with small kids now.

I’m actually starting a nursing degree this year and am looking forward to only working 12 hours a day for three days!! I’ve had several nurses as teaching students and they all returned to nursing after qualifying, when they realised what the hours were like in teaching.

Having said that, there was a lot I loved about teaching and I don’t regret doing it. Just bear in mind that it’s hard work.
Best of luck,
🙂
(edited 11 months ago)
Reply 8
MissTee,

Thank you for your reply!

I guess my interest was more on the extra stuff they might make you do as opposed to the main workload a teacher has like marking, lesson planning etc. which already requires a lot of time commitment.

Can I ask, did you ever look into job shares - or is this not common at secondary? I know a primary school teacher who does this.

Thank you!
Reply 9
Original post by MissTeee
I was a teacher for twenty years. Often, I didn’t get to do a wee between 8 and 4pm, dealing with various sh*t storms as they erupted, never mind have coffee or lunch. I’ve taken work with me when I’ve gone away for half term and sat in a coffee shop for three days doing it.
Your evenings and weekends will be taken up with work. Parents evenings finish at 10pm for two consecutive days in my experience. Academies can pretty much make you do what they want.
Don’t base your choice on concessions you get for your NQT year because you’ll have a full timetable after that; it’s full on. I wouldn’t want to do it with small kids now.
I’m actually starting a nursing degree this year and am looking forward to only working 12 hours a day for three days!! I’ve had several nurses as teaching students and they all returned to nursing after qualifying, when they realised what the hours were like in teaching.
Having said that, there was a lot I loved about teaching and I don’t regret doing it. Just bear in mind that it’s hard work.
Best of luck,
🙂

10pm? I think I'll be adding that question to my list for potential new jobs - we're out the door by 6:10 🤣
Reply 10
Original post by ChammyFTT
10pm? I think I'll be adding that question to my list for potential new jobs - we're out the door by 6:10 🤣

Avoid Northfield in Birmingham!
Reply 11
MissTee,
Thank you for your reply!
I guess my interest was more on the extra stuff they might make you do as opposed to the main workload a teacher has like marking, lesson planning etc. which already requires a lot of time commitment.
Can I ask, did you ever look into job shares - or is this not common at secondary? I know a primary school teacher who does this.
Thank you!

Yeah, I realise that’s what you were asking, but I’ve noticed new teachers struggle time wise when they’ve gone from NQT year to full timetable, that’s why I posted. You may be designated an area of curriculum responsibility in your NQT+1 year as well, which can be time consuming. ) Not sure how this is in secondary as I was primary in challenging inner city schools.
No, I never did a job share. They’re quite common in primary though.
Reply 12
Thanks!
Reply 13
Original post by ChammyFTT
10pm? I think I'll be adding that question to my list for potential new jobs - we're out the door by 6:10 🤣

It seems like a maze to navigate through - how would a teacher even know about the details like this when they apply for a job?!
Reply 14
It seems like a maze to navigate through - how would a teacher even know about the details like this when they apply for a job?!

You're encouraged to visit a school you're applying to so you have the opportunity to ask questions like this at this point before sending in an application. Also, a lot of information can be found on a school's website, such as timings for the day, and calendar events like parent's evenings, and some schools will go into plenty of detail on their job ad. Failing that, any questions can also be sent in via email or asked over the phone.
Reply 15
It seems like a maze to navigate through - how would a teacher even know about the details like this when they apply for a job?!

This is why you need to grill teachers. Realise that you only see HALF the job when you do a two week placement, or even if you work as a TA.
Another thing to watch is recruitment.
You apply for a job with a lovely Year X class, then on the first day of term, surprise! You’re actually going to be teaching Year Y, the class from hell, and there’s nothing you can do about it because you’re recruited to a school, not for a specific role.
Reply 16
Original post by ChammyFTT
You're encouraged to visit a school you're applying to so you have the opportunity to ask questions like this at this point before sending in an application. Also, a lot of information can be found on a school's website, such as timings for the day, and calendar events like parent's evenings, and some schools will go into plenty of detail on their job ad. Failing that, any questions can also be sent in via email or asked over the phone.
It does depend on the head and how transparent they are. Be mindful that you can be promised a lot if you’re applying to a challenging school or shortage subject post, and you might not see it materialise. This happens a lot re TA allocation, classroom issues eg damp, blocked sinks that stink, etc. I know this sounds doom-mongerish, but honestly, I’ve seen it all. Have your wits about you and get as much as you can in writing. As another poster said, ask question in emails. Definitely ALWAYS go and visit a school. If possible, go during the school day, when you can get an idea of how well the behaviour policy works. There will probably be death threats issued if there are visitors, but this will still give you a better idea than if no kids are there. Look at the staff photos on the website so you know who people are and see if you can get a very subtle honest review of the school from a teacher (not leadership!). I’ve been saved a few times like this and always tried to do the same for prospective teachers. Teachers who’ve never worked in an awful school will probably roll their eyes at all this, but if it can help even one person, I’ll be happy. 🙂
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Reply 17
Original post by ChammyFTT
You're encouraged to visit a school you're applying to so you have the opportunity to ask questions like this at this point before sending in an application. Also, a lot of information can be found on a school's website, such as timings for the day, and calendar events like parent's evenings, and some schools will go into plenty of detail on their job ad. Failing that, any questions can also be sent in via email or asked over the phone.

Thank you
Reply 18
Original post by MissTeee
This is why you need to grill teachers. Realise that you only see HALF the job when you do a two week placement, or even if you work as a TA.
Another thing to watch is recruitment.
You apply for a job with a lovely Year X class, then on the first day of term, surprise! You’re actually going to be teaching Year Y, the class from hell, and there’s nothing you can do about it because you’re recruited to a school, not for a specific role.

Thank you!

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