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TSR Goes Green: How important will the environment be in this year's election?

Hello TSR!

With the UK General Election looming in the not-so-distant future, the D&CA team are keen to know your thoughts on how important the environment will be for political parties in their election promises and policies!

For me, the environment should be a key focus within each party's policies but unfortunately I am not convinced that much about the environment/green policy will be championed or implemented by Labour or the Tories in reality :dontknow:

Share your thoughts below :smile:

erin11
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I do not think that environmental issues will be taken seriously, unfortunately. I think that they should be one of the top priorities, but that isn't what they think will win them votes.
'Not Very'

I think a lot of the electorate have been repeatedly impacted by negative politics on environmental issues, ie that they are a waste of money, and if you are willing to increase green spending then that must mean you favour lower spending for crime, hospitals, pensions, doe eyed children etc and might as well be radical terrorist lefty loon.
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Original post by erin11
Hello TSR!
With the UK General Election looming in the not-so-distant future, the D&CA team are keen to know your thoughts on how important the environment will be for political parties in their election promises and policies!
For me, the environment should be a key focus within each party's policies but unfortunately I am not convinced that much about the environment/green policy will be championed or implemented by Labour or the Tories in reality :dontknow:
Share your thoughts below :smile:
erin11

Very little if you mean the broader sense.

The problem with environmental policy (especially climate) is that they often incur a cost any financial benefits are in the long run, so there's political reward outside of a small number of people (generally on the hard left since they don't care about the resultant costs as they fit the fiscal narrative of their goals).

More pertanently though, the gap between Labour and Conservative proposals is smaller than most people think. When we hear Labour's green pledge a lot of people think it's big, bold and different to the government but actually both parties mostly want private sector involvement, both parties have already proposed public ownership of part of the National Grid (not sure if Sunak has brought the bill yet) and the Conservative Party so far has committed to £13bn green investment so even if Labour were keeping the £28bn that they have now abandoned, the difference already falls to £15bn before any new policy announcements (and generally, most budgets have thrown a bit more to green things rather than less).

In truth, there's not a big disagreement on climate policy between our main two parties. Labour want to go a bit faster and spend a bit more but in the scope of an economy of our size, the difference is not much more than a rounding error.
It won’t be as important as a should be and I’m not that bothered by that.

Politicians don’t seem to be willing to make to greener alternatives cheaper and in some cases more efficient (EVs, cost of using public transport, Veganism etc) unless I can be proven otherwise.

They seem to be more interested in criticising people and taxing them or just not genuinely caring about the issue in general.

But that’s just me.
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Original post by Talkative Toad
It won’t be as important as a should be and I’m not that bothered by that.
Politicians don’t seem to be willing to make to greener alternatives cheaper and in some cases more efficient (EVs, cost of using public transport, Veganism etc) unless I can be proven otherwise.
They seem to be more interested in criticising people and taxing them or just not genuinely caring about the issue in general.
But that’s just me.

Most people are too stupid to make veganism work. Veganism is wholly dependent on nutritional analysis to sustain.
Original post by Rakas21
Most people are too stupid to make veganism work. Veganism is wholly dependent on nutritional analysis to sustain.

I think there are good vegan activists but I don’t see the government (as opposed to random (people) accounts online) trying make Veganism a more viable option unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Not that I plan on going vegan anyway but still.
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Original post by Talkative Toad
I think there are good vegan activists but I don’t see the government (as opposed to random (people) accounts online) trying make Veganism a more viable option unless someone can convince me otherwise.
Not that I plan on going vegan anyway but still.

There are but I'm sure I don't need to highlight that most normal people can't name five influencers, let alone which veg will give them vitamin B6.

Personally I wouldn't become vegan anyway, I'm quite happy being a predator. I would however ban trawling and move to fish farms and move to free range and organic meat.
Original post by Rakas21
There are but I'm sure I don't need to highlight that most normal people can't name five influencers, let alone which veg will give them vitamin B6.

Personally I wouldn't become vegan anyway, I'm quite happy being a predator. I would however ban trawling and move to fish farms and move to free range and organic meat.

I meant more being able to highlight Veganism
and make it more accessible in general, the government doesn’t seem to be willing to do that.
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Original post by Talkative Toad
I meant more being able to highlight Veganism
and make it more accessible in general, the government doesn’t seem to be willing to do that.

I'm not sure that it should be governments role to market veganism given that meat eating is not inherently unhealthy (it's unhealthy because most people eat commercialised rubbish - an actual organic lean free range beef stake is more nutriotonally dense than even the best veg).

Governments role is in farming policy and while i agree that we should favour expanding veg production over meat production, that's largely an economic choice rather than one based around any desire for veganism (there's no real reason with policy changes that the UK can't be self sustainable in fish and veg).
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Original post by Rakas21
I'm not sure that it should be governments role to market veganism given that meat eating is not inherently unhealthy (it's unhealthy because most people eat commercialised rubbish - an actual organic lean free range beef stake is more nutriotonally dense than even the best veg).

Governments role is in farming policy and while i agree that we should favour expanding veg production over meat production, that's largely an economic choice rather than one based around any desire for veganism (there's no real reason with policy changes that the UK can't be self sustainable in fish and veg).

I think that the government needs to bring more awareness on it if they genuinely care about going green, I’ve heard the meat industry is problematic when it comes to emissions and the environment.

But they don’t truly care about going green in my opinion (not that this bothers me but it would be nice if they just admitted that or just said actually it’s up to countries like the USA, China and India to cut down on their emissions first rather than beating around the bush).
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Original post by Talkative Toad
I think that the government needs to bring more awareness on it if they genuinely care about going green, I’ve heard the meat industry is problematic when it comes to emissions and the environment.
But they don’t truly care about going green in my opinion (not that this bothers me but it would be nice if they just admitted that or just said actually it’s up to countries like the USA, China and India to cut down on their emissions first rather than beating around the bush).

In terms of its relevance to the green agenda, you are correct that meat is bad. But that's not a valid reason imo to do much veganism related. People should not have to sacrifice taste for climate.

British governments do care more than most it should be noted but to actually solve the problem quickly would require sacrifice and no voter will endorse that outside the hard liberals that think we are headed for apocolypse (temperate regions like the UK are not).
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Original post by Rakas21
In terms of its relevance to the green agenda, you are correct that meat is bad. But that's not a valid reason imo to do much veganism related. People should not have to sacrifice taste for climate.
British governments do care more than most it should be noted but to actually solve the problem quickly would require sacrifice and no voter will endorse that outside the hard liberals that think we are headed for apocolypse (temperate regions like the UK are not).
We should have to make sacrifices as it is our lifestyles that have been encouraged by larger corporations that have led to the climate crisis so we need to do something about it.

Also just because we won't be badly affected by the climate crisis there are areas in the world, especially in Africa and Asia where they are facing massive effects from the climate crisis which they did not cause so we should play our part in helping them as well.
Original post by Rakas21
In terms of its relevance to the green agenda, you are correct that meat is bad. But that's not a valid reason imo to do much veganism related. People should not have to sacrifice taste for climate.

British governments do care more than most it should be noted but to actually solve the problem quickly would require sacrifice and no voter will endorse that outside the hard liberals that think we are headed for apocolypse (temperate regions like the UK are not).

I personally am not going to go vegan but if the government wants us to go greener then be genuine about it, educate people of things like Veganism and the impacts of the meat industry and make becoming vegan more accessible.

Don’t just tell us “uh well you gotta go greener and we’ll tax you on it” but then not be willing to make things like Veganism, public transport, education, alternatives to flying etc more sustainable and affordable to point where it’s regular citizens who are having to fight for this and do this instead because the government isn’t doing it.

The British government may care but not enough or genuinely imo and should just come clean about this, I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t care about going greener.
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Original post by flowersinmyhair
We should have to make sacrifices as it is our lifestyles that have been encouraged by larger corporations that have led to the climate crisis so we need to do something about it.
Also just because we won't be badly affected by the climate crisis there are areas in the world, especially in Africa and Asia where they are facing massive effects from the climate crisis which they did not cause so we should play our part in helping them as well.

That's nice in spirit but there's no electorate that will make sacrifices for other people, certainly not foreign people. As electorates go, the UK is pretty self interested. Climate stuff polls well because the outcomes sound good, paying for it does not poll well.

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