OCR A Level Classical Civilisation Paper 2 (H408/21-24) - 20th May 2024 [Exam Chat]

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Reply 40

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by SopranaKapela

same! i am so curious myself - the WOTH was such a good prediction.
Personally, for imperial image i can see us getting a one about how did augustus use his family for power, maybe something on morality like 'how did Augustus portray himsefl as a man of morality' there are some excellent arguments you can make for that one (maybe mention Ovid: 'he directed morality by his own example' and then counter arguing with someone like Suetonius or Holland (Scholar) . Good Holland quote for this could be 'he waged war with blood... and yet crowned himself the prince of peace') or even evaluating visual sources - as there have been two years where lit sources have been evaluated so it's not impossible.
So my predictions for 30 marker:

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Visual Sources Evaluate

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Women's Role for Augustus' image (this could potentially be a strong one, talk about Cleopatra in Actium and Livia and how these two women are portrayed as complete opposites - supporting the Augustus/Antony divison. Or how he used women to portray himself as a family man, a pious man, a man of ritual and rites, a man of traditional roman values - Suetonius: 'he would wear the clothes his grandaughters spun for him'. The Ara Pacis with the procession of the Roman family taking their relgious rites). Good scholar could be Holland: 'first household that was in the public eye')

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Augustus using his family

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Augustus as a 'cultural hero', morality

If anyone else has any ideas, these are just from what I saw previously, please comment. I think we can figure this out as a team.
Good Luck 😀

who predicted the woth?

Reply 41

liv2005

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by liv2005

quizlet babe x
https://quizlet.com/gb/841374645/imperial-image-ao2-flash-cards/

https://quizlet.com/user/Oliviaharding24/folders/imperial-image

Reply 42

Krishk15

Greek theatre predictions ?

Reply 43

Katka101

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by cinmnsoul

I have a big doc of them I can send you if you want?

Hi could you kindly send this to me please? It would be much appreciated x

Reply 44

cinmnsoul

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by Krishk15

Greek theatre predictions ?

frogs literary 10 marker almost definitely because they always alternate between tragedy and frogs for those 10m markers

Reply 45

Krishk15

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by cinmnsoul

frogs literary 10 marker almost definitely because they always alternate between tragedy and frogs for those 10m markers

So ur saying that’s gonna be the 20 also im assuming

Reply 46

VeniVidiVinum

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by Krishk15

So ur saying that’s gonna be the 20 also im assuming

the 20s can be a bit unreliable since sometimes they include all the plays

Reply 47

alecks

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by aaaaaaaaaa2006

messengers are always an option but in oedipus one of the characters who relayed vital information and thus is vital to the plot was a shepherd

but do they count as slaves??? that's what i'm confused about there's not really many explicit mentions i can think of off the top of my head... it would end up as a very hypothetical essay LOL

Reply 48

Krishk15

Any ideas for frogs. What would u write an essay about representation of tragedy and death/afterlife

Reply 49

swift513

HI please help with essay on women or slaves, I have no idea where to start.

Reply 50

alecks

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by swift513

HI please help with essay on women or slaves, I have no idea where to start.

which unit?

Reply 51

Krishk15

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by alecks

which unit?

Greek theatre

Reply 52

alecks

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by Krishk15

Greek theatre

i did a generic slaves info dump of evidence i would use the other day

slaves in greek theatre

depending on the question, i think i would do roughly the following
- social hierarchy (empowerment of the little person in frogs)
- classical fears of women through slaves (thebans driven mad, etc)
- slaves to reinforce athenian piety (2nd messenger conveys dionysus' punishment in bacchae)
- slaves to reinforce athenian democracy (messenger speeches in otk and bacchae conveying destruction of royal households, 'afraid to speak freely before the king', etc)

honestly tho i don't think it would be a question on slaves i think that's way too hard because there aren't enough explicit mentions of characters as slaves in otk or bacchae to have substantial evidence to draw upon

women depends a lot on the question but i would do something along the lines of
in tragedy, fears of over-/under-loving mothers (griffin)

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agave under-loving: unable to recognise pentheus

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but simultaneously loving: excited to show pentheus the fruits of her labours

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jocasta under-loving: twice abandons oedipus, but simultaneously over-loving

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takes him to bed and marries him to produce 'horrible monster babies' (seneca's phaedra))

women are present to demonstrate power of the gods + punishments for impiety

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jocasta not believing prophecies

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agave/ino/autonoe stung into frenzy, etc

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if the question was femininity rather than women, i would def bring in pentheus cross-dressing and dionysus' genderbending here too

women to reinforce patriarchy

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jocasta should not be in position of power

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agave says hunting is 'something greater' than shuttles + looms (bring in perfect penelope here)

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dancing girls in frogs used for male entertainment (bring in the fuzzy line between entertainer and prostitute here)

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over-emotional angry women in frogs - calls heracles brutal in like 5 different ways (which doubles up as reinforcing the idea of women as lesser - she cannot think of synonyms vs euripides and aeschylus' agon)

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bacchants remain under the control of a man (dionysus)

perhaps i would do a point on democracy too and move the jocasta point above here as well as the bands of women working together to kill the boy king (i would bring in fears of female conspiracy here)

i really struggle with incorporating frogs in 3-play answers so haven't come up with much frogs here LOL

Reply 53

Krishk15

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by alecks

i did a generic slaves info dump of evidence i would use the other day

slaves in greek theatre

depending on the question, i think i would do roughly the following
- social hierarchy (empowerment of the little person in frogs)
- classical fears of women through slaves (thebans driven mad, etc)
- slaves to reinforce athenian piety (2nd messenger conveys dionysus' punishment in bacchae)
- slaves to reinforce athenian democracy (messenger speeches in otk and bacchae conveying destruction of royal households, 'afraid to speak freely before the king', etc)
honestly tho i don't think it would be a question on slaves i think that's way too hard because there aren't enough explicit mentions of characters as slaves in otk or bacchae to have substantial evidence to draw upon
women depends a lot on the question but i would do something along the lines of
in tragedy, fears of over-/under-loving mothers (griffin)

•

agave under-loving: unable to recognise pentheus

•

but simultaneously loving: excited to show pentheus the fruits of her labours

•

jocasta under-loving: twice abandons oedipus, but simultaneously over-loving

•

takes him to bed and marries him to produce 'horrible monster babies' (seneca's phaedra))

women are present to demonstrate power of the gods + punishments for impiety

•

jocasta not believing prophecies

•

agave/ino/autonoe stung into frenzy, etc

•

if the question was femininity rather than women, i would def bring in pentheus cross-dressing and dionysus' genderbending here too

women to reinforce patriarchy

•

jocasta should not be in position of power

•

agave says hunting is 'something greater' than shuttles + looms (bring in perfect penelope here)

•

dancing girls in frogs used for male entertainment (bring in the fuzzy line between entertainer and prostitute here)

•

bacchants remain under the control of a man (dionysus)

perhaps i would do a point on democracy too and move the jocasta point above here as well as the bands of women working together to kill the boy king (i would bring in fears of female conspiracy here)
i really struggle with incorporating frogs in 3-play answers so haven't come up with much frogs here LOL

Thank you , really hoping woman and slaves don’t come up. Purpose of frogs would be great.

Reply 54

Krishk15

Any idea for what importance of polis questions would be

Reply 55

swagswagzoo

Hopefully we will get a bacchae twenty marker

Reply 56

alecks

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by Krishk15

Thank you , really hoping woman and slaves don’t come up. Purpose of frogs would be great.

what would your points be for that out of curiosity?
- political commentary
- relief from strict social rules (EOTLP, laughing at D, etc)
- reinforce piety
- entertainment thru comedy

i feel like the middle two points would both be a bit scarce..... especially if it was a 30m i would def be doing the other Q

Reply 57

homelandseas1

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by alecks

what would your points be for that out of curiosity?
- political commentary
- relief from strict social rules (eotlp, laughing at d, etc)
- reinforce piety
- entertainment thru comedy
i feel like the middle two points would both be a bit scarce..... Especially if it was a 30m i would def be doing the other q

gods kings women alecks................

Reply 58

aaaaaaaaaa2006

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by alecks

but do they count as slaves??? that's what i'm confused about there's not really many explicit mentions i can think of off the top of my head... it would end up as a very hypothetical essay LOL