OCR A Level Classical Civilisation Paper 3 (H408/31-34) - 3rd June 2024 [Exam Chat]

Has anyone got any predictions for the 20/30 markers on Love and Relationships?

Hey from looking at past papers these are the questions that have come up previously
2022- Seneca and Ovid view of women (20), Marriage (30), Fear love and Support love- Seneca and Plato (30)
2021- Sappho influence Plato (20), Advice for men- Plato and Seneca (30), Sex- Ovid, Sappho (30)
2020-Seneca on desire (20), Sappho cant write for men and Ovid cant write for women (30), Seneca's view of love (30)
2019- Roman society- Ovid/ Seneca, Sappho's view of love and Ovid's view of sex (30), Plato and Seneca writing about good and bad (30)
I feel like context sort of question could be likely due to the fact that society hasn't really come up alot and recently. And perhaps love from Plato.
But honestly so unsure, as it shows that themes have come up multiple times and across different poets and philosophers.
My teacher has some 30 marker questions that we were given to plan out, and prehaps something like this that links to society ?
To what extent was Greek morality linked to the ideas of love?
Evaluate how far Plato and Seneca were influenced by their societal values.
Evaluate the impact that Seneca had on societal views of good and bad relationships.
If anyone has any other suggestions let me know

Do you recon there could be a 30 marker on horses?

what horses

There's horse references in both poets' works e.g
"Some say an army of horsemen, some of infantry,
and some of ships, is the most beautiful thing
on the dark earth, but I say it is
whatever one loves." (Sappho)
and
"...wanting your skills, not by compelling you, but by that
Through you it was not allowed, you allow, wish for the yoke." (Ars Amatoria)
so potentially a 30 marker on animalistic imagery/horses in the work of the poets? I wouldn't mind that tbh

There's horse references in both poets' works e.g
"Some say an army of horsemen, some of infantry,
and some of ships, is the most beautiful thing
on the dark earth, but I say it is
whatever one loves." (Sappho)
and
"...wanting your skills, not by compelling you, but by that
Through you it was not allowed, you allow, wish for the yoke." (Ars Amatoria)
so potentially a 30 marker on animalistic imagery/horses in the work of the poets? I wouldn't mind that tbh

i didn't think they could ask something like this we were never told to learn the poems inside out, just what the poets thought about love, sex, society etc and learn a few quotes to support that im so stressed

No me neither I think it'll be more of a conceptual Q- I think just a q on horses is v unlikely
I don't think they've done a question on children/reproduction yet? That could come up maybe? Also I saw sm1 predict homoerotic relationships, which I think could come up as a Plato 10 marker? Idk tho OCR have been choosing some rogue qs this year T_T

Hey from looking at past papers these are the questions that have come up previously
2022- Seneca and Ovid view of women (20), Marriage (30), Fear love and Support love- Seneca and Plato (30)
2021- Sappho influence Plato (20), Advice for men- Plato and Seneca (30), Sex- Ovid, Sappho (30)
2020-Seneca on desire (20), Sappho cant write for men and Ovid cant write for women (30), Seneca's view of love (30)
2019- Roman society- Ovid/ Seneca, Sappho's view of love and Ovid's view of sex (30), Plato and Seneca writing about good and bad (30)
I feel like context sort of question could be likely due to the fact that society hasn't really come up alot and recently. And perhaps love from Plato.
But honestly so unsure, as it shows that themes have come up multiple times and across different poets and philosophers.
My teacher has some 30 marker questions that we were given to plan out, and prehaps something like this that links to society ?
To what extent was Greek morality linked to the ideas of love?
Evaluate how far Plato and Seneca were influenced by their societal values.
Evaluate the impact that Seneca had on societal views of good and bad relationships.
If anyone has any other suggestions let me know

How does everyone feel about Athenian democracy, I feel like it is quite a niche. Any predictions or resources?

i do it and HATE it, definitely my least fav part of the course. what reformer do you think is gonna come up?

maybe Cleisthenes or Pericles but I've noticed a pattern in the last couple of years the 30 markers have been about democracy critiqued/idealised, so maybe something about that will come.

By any chance do you know what the x2 30 markers were for greek religion 2023

Thank god there are others making predictions on Democracy and Athenians. I think whats best for the 30 markers is that you know it's either going to be about critiques/idealisations. There might be some questions that are more specific like 'do you think people needed a good voice to do well in Athenian democracy' but along with this there SEEMS to most likely to consist of a critique or idealisation.
Since I believe last years was an idealisation - focus on critiques - and if there is an idealisation you CAN critique and use other authors to make a really in-depth agruement.
And for those who dislike this subject - ME TOO. But, what has made me feel less spiteful towards it is thinking of it as Philosophy. You can use your own opinions, (surrounded by others and thinkers ideas) which is special. You are bound my a certain character like WOTH or Imperial Image, instead its about a more philosophical response.
And for 20 markers I am hoping for Cleithenes or Perikes - so much you can talk about but for Perickles
REMEMBER Add quotes from thinkers. Maybe Thucydides and the Funeral Orintation of Perickles - how he imagines Athenian democracy as this 'teacher to greece' and how it allows people to 'be equal in the eyes of the law' 'talent not on wealth' people are 'free to do as they like' - these quotes will help you understand him a lot more. Along with this - talk about the introduction of the third class into the Aeropagus and different scrutizing bodies such as the Boule and the Magistrates - how people from all 3 classes, from all 10 tribes could recieve a magistrate position - depending if they met the requirements of the dokimosia. Also talk about the citizenship reforms about making sure everyone came from an Athenian father and an Athenian mother - this was to help with population numbers as well to keep things more organised.
For Cleithenes - talk about how it was important for the 10 tribes to be set up and how this was used to not cause the factions that came out of Solon's reforms as people of both rich and poor felt disatisfied. From there you can go on to speak on the council of 500 where all people of these tribes felt as if they were represented. Everyone could be apart of the Assembly as a jury member. Ostracism how this was used to not only act as to remove someone dangerous to the Athenian government, but also allowed a safeguard of the people - that the people were in power.
Some great scholars for these reformers:
About Cleithenes:
Osborne: 'ostracism... a peciular part of Athenian democracy' (negative about Cleithenes reforms)
Holland: 'only let those have equality in the political system, not full control'
About Perickles:
Jones: 'marked radical developments for Athenian democracy'
Some other great Scholar quotes and quotes about Critisms against democracy
The Old Oligarch

Plato:

Aristophanes:
(I have a lot for him)
Against Demogogues (the Knights)

Quotes Related to his Art and the Wasps