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Why do schools ignore bullying?

I left high school a few years ago but I remember being bullied in my first few years there. Some students would deliberately target you for being different but my school refused to do anything about it and threatened punishment if we retaliated. They don't want you sticking up for yourself and they don't want you reporting it either.

Am I right in saying that bullying is systemic in education and that schools only care about their reputation?
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Bullying and racism and poor behaviour in general is a systematic problem introduced by successive governments in the taking away of powers and authority from teachers to the point they worry about their jobs with any action they take.

Bring back caning in schools and allow parent to properly punish their kids and we would fix all these problems in a generation.
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Original post by Guru Jason
Bullying and racism and poor behaviour in general is a systematic problem introduced by successive governments in the taking away of powers and authority from teachers to the point they worry about their jobs with any action they take.
Bring back caning in schools and allow parent to properly punish their kids and we would fix all these problems in a generation.
Hmm, I think caning is a bit excessive. What if a child gets in trouble for something they didn't do? I'm sure caning is very painful too and not a very nice way to reprimand children. (I am doing Childcare in college so learning about the behaviour of children)
Original post by Mistiria
Hmm, I think caning is a bit excessive. What if a child gets in trouble for something they didn't do? I'm sure caning is very painful too and not a very nice way to reprimand children. (I am doing Childcare in college so learning about the behaviour of children)

Of course it painful and it's not meant to be nice. Kids need to learn obeisance before respect.
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Original post by Guru Jason
Of course it painful and it's not meant to be nice. Kids need to learn obeisance before respect.

That's true , however I'm sure there's much more positive ways to reinforce anted behaviours in children, and it helps to start young. We need a good workforce of trained teachers who actually give a damn about their job (I hope to become a good teacher for young children one day)
Original post by Mistiria
That's true , however I'm sure there's much more positive ways to reinforce anted behaviours in children, and it helps to start young. We need a good workforce of trained teachers who actually give a damn about their job (I hope to become a good teacher for young children one day)

Hard to give a damn when you have no power as a teacher. If 2 kids are fighting, teachers won't break it up half the time for fear of reprisal when what they should be encouraged to do is to grab hem away from each other by the scruff of their necks and give both a good slap.

Teach a young child to behave now by the cane and let him learn why later when they are old enough to understand as if you try to teach them why first, by the time they are caple of understanding, they may not care.
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I think some schools ignore bullying not all. It may be based off an individual reaction like the set of people that deal with it decide to do nothing about it , or as it may impact the image/rating of the school , or they want everything to be smooth sailing, not wanting to draw negative attention to the school, or possibly they didn't realise this and trying to cover up their own inadequacies.

I think what they need to do is properly evaluate these issues as I'm aware that most students who retaliate also get suspended which isn't fair imo. They may have a system for prevention, but they need a stronger system for handling it and the aftermath.
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Original post by Guru Jason
Bullying and racism and poor behaviour in general is a systematic problem introduced by successive governments in the taking away of powers and authority from teachers to the point they worry about their jobs with any action they take.
Bring back caning in schools and allow parent to properly punish their kids and we would fix all these problems in a generation.



I agree with you in respect of powers taken away by successive governments etc

I disagree with caning but children still need firm boundaries and consequences for bad behaviour or breaking school rules. That is for the benefit of every child. Often there are no consequences and worse children see bad behaviour being rewarded.

Incredibly the academics who have successively ruined teaching by making it too ideological, political and prescriptive are now complaining about the fact that now no one wants to be a teacher.

We have children in state schools who are feral, children who have no boundaries, and who are out of control. They gain power by bullying others because no one takes them down a peg, or stops them, either at home or at school. The antics become more violent as the child gets older. The academics have now made voicing an opinion from anyone a cause for a victim somewhere to complain about. That could be bullying, or any other insult. The problem now is that in doing so, ideologists trying to be socially inclusive for everyone have unwittingly created the opposite - mass division. Everyone wants to claim their emotions have been hurt with no context or common sense applied. This creates more resentment and social fragmentation instead of unity.

It was staggering to recently watch a celebration ceremony of new Japanese 4/5 year olds. Sitting quietly, expectantly and full of happiness. Immaculately dressed and ready to work hard to learn. A completely respectful class sitting individually listening to the principal and the principal listening respectfully to the children. The ethos was of unity and learning. We used to have the same in state school systems until it was destroyed by elite child centred educationalists So what went wrong? Too much choice, power and inappropriate knowledge to children who were and are still treated like mini adults - and who then suffer from anxiety and depression. The adults continue to make excuses. Should we be surprised?

The state education system being out of control is a bit like the prison system being out of control. Those who are charged with maintaining order in the school classroom now have no powers, or sufficient support to control bad behaviour and ultimately the mob rules. Just as in prisons. Bullying is a natural part of human nature and anyone who is different in a group will be fair game for the powerful. The bullying power struggle is here to stay in most state schools because no one is strong enough to take on children (or their parents) or the teaching unions and to maintain a grip on expected standards of behaviour. We might ask what has happened to the political and strategic educational support for Katharine Birbalsingh? Or has that too been swept under the carpet with the 'cause of the problem' expected to be quietly removed? That head teacher deserves a medal.
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Original post by RLSIO23
I left high school a few years ago but I remember being bullied in my first few years there. Some students would deliberately target you for being different but my school refused to do anything about it and threatened punishment if we retaliated. They don't want you sticking up for yourself and they don't want you reporting it either.
Am I right in saying that bullying is systemic in education and that schools only care about their reputation?

No, you are completely wrong.

We have a 'no innocent bystander' policy so if you see bullying you are to report it.

Bullies will always exist but they can be stopped - and indeed need to get help to stop.

There's no excuse for passing by and ignoring it.
Original post by Guru Jason
Hard to give a damn when you have no power as a teacher. If 2 kids are fighting, teachers won't break it up half the time for fear of reprisal when what they should be encouraged to do is to grab hem away from each other by the scruff of their necks and give both a good slap.
Teach a young child to behave now by the cane and let him learn why later when they are old enough to understand as if you try to teach them why first, by the time they are caple of understanding, they may not care.

Crazy idea - how does using physical force on a child teach them anything!

I've never hit my chid or any of my students - it only reinforces that violence is OK.

All the schools I've worked in have had effective 'anti-bullying' policies. You can break up fights without hitting people and I'm female.
Original post by Muttley79
Crazy idea - how does using physical force on a child teach them anything!
I've never hit my chid or any of my students - it only reinforces that violence is OK.
All the schools I've worked in have had effective 'anti-bullying' policies. You can break up fights without hitting people and I'm female.

I disagree. When a child learns that bad behaviour will result in physical disacpline, they avoid the bad behaviour. One they learn that bad behaviour will result in a smack then they will soon learn to stop it. They when they are old enough to understand why, they will respect the reason for not being bad and being good.. Without that fear of a smack, children wont care about the reason . This isnt every child but we should be willing to commit to this with eveyr child if required.
Original post by Guru Jason
I disagree. When a child learns that bad behaviour will result in physical disacpline, they avoid the bad behaviour. One they learn that bad behaviour will result in a smack then they will soon learn to stop it. They when they are old enough to understand why, they will respect the reason for not being bad and being good.. Without that fear of a smack, children wont care about the reason . This isnt every child but we should be willing to commit to this with eveyr child if required.

No - that is not the way to get children to behave. Are you a parent or a teacher?

Reward good behaviour and teach that 'the behaviour you use is the behaviour you choose'.

Caning wasn't effective - read the research.
Original post by Muttley79
No - that is not the way to get children to behave. Are you a parent or a teacher?
Reward good behaviour and teach that 'the behaviour you use is the behaviour you choose'.
Caning wasn't effective - read the research.

I disagree. The Britsih empire was built on that kind of discipline.
Original post by Muttly
I agree with you in respect of powers taken away by successive governments etc
I disagree with caning but children still need firm boundaries and consequences for bad behaviour or breaking school rules. That is for the benefit of every child. Often there are no consequences and worse children see bad behaviour being rewarded.
Incredibly the academics who have successively ruined teaching by making it too ideological, political and prescriptive are now complaining about the fact that now no one wants to be a teacher.
We have children in state schools who are feral, children who have no boundaries, and who are out of control. They gain power by bullying others because no one takes them down a peg, or stops them, either at home or at school. The antics become more violent as the child gets older. The academics have now made voicing an opinion from anyone a cause for a victim somewhere to complain about. That could be bullying, or any other insult. The problem now is that in doing so, ideologists trying to be socially inclusive for everyone have unwittingly created the opposite - mass division. Everyone wants to claim their emotions have been hurt with no context or common sense applied. This creates more resentment and social fragmentation instead of unity.
It was staggering to recently watch a celebration ceremony of new Japanese 4/5 year olds. Sitting quietly, expectantly and full of happiness. Immaculately dressed and ready to work hard to learn. A completely respectful class sitting individually listening to the principal and the principal listening respectfully to the children. The ethos was of unity and learning. We used to have the same in state school systems until it was destroyed by elite child centred educationalists So what went wrong? Too much choice, power and inappropriate knowledge to children who were and are still treated like mini adults - and who then suffer from anxiety and depression. The adults continue to make excuses. Should we be surprised?
The state education system being out of control is a bit like the prison system being out of control. Those who are charged with maintaining order in the school classroom now have no powers, or sufficient support to control bad behaviour and ultimately the mob rules. Just as in prisons. Bullying is a natural part of human nature and anyone who is different in a group will be fair game for the powerful. The bullying power struggle is here to stay in most state schools because no one is strong enough to take on children (or their parents) or the teaching unions and to maintain a grip on expected standards of behaviour. We might ask what has happened to the political and strategic educational support for Katharine Birbalsingh? Or has that too been swept under the carpet with the 'cause of the problem' expected to be quietly removed? That head teacher deserves a medal.

I quite agree. I've listened to some of ideas said by Katherine Burbalsingh and I think she'd be a good education secretary.
Original post by Guru Jason
I disagree. The Britsih empire was built on that kind of discipline.

What a disaster that was for many countries... have you read any research on behaviour management?
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Dealing with bullies takes a lot of recourses from the system. The system prefers to ignore it.

It is similar in many other countries too. I was bullied through most of my school years, and physically abused in Middle school and Highschool. Whenever I told or shown teachers or any other authority that they will 'punish' the bullies by calling their parents who are often ignore it or physically punish the bully at home and the very next day I got 'punished' by the bully for reporting, my punishment was always being hit harder. I learned just to ignore it and let them do whatever they want. It was the safest way.
Schools can't do much, they don't have the resources to force help on bullies. They are barely handle with victims of bellying and students with special needs or just need of counselling now and then. Schools should have more psychologists and social workers on their staff, but there is no funding for that.
The earlier you catch things the easier it is to treat them. I am speaking about both sides, the bully and the victim. The system can't do anything and just leaves it to the other system to take care of it, either the justice system or the health system.
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Schools, teachers, students don't care about bullying unless they're the ones bullied. You have to make justice by yourself, if you wait others you will never have your vengeance
Original post by Muttley79
What a disaster that was for many countries... have you read any research on behaviour management?

I disagree, most countries are better off now than they would have been had we not been an empire.
Original post by Guru Jason
I disagree, most countries are better off now than they would have been had we not been an empire.

You are free to disagree but what about addressing some of my other comeents?

Just because you thought your school ignored bullying doesn't mean you are right and that's just one school. I've taught in three and been inolved is supporting more than 30 others - you are wrong. There's so much focus on safeguarding now.
Original post by Muttley79
You are free to disagree but what about addressing some of my other comeents?
Just because you thought your school ignored bullying doesn't mean you are right and that's just one school. I've taught in three and been inolved is supporting more than 30 others - you are wrong. There's so much focus on safeguarding now.

All talk, no action. That's all schools are now. This is what I mean by ignoring bullying. Sure, by semantics of course they are tackling bullying but their attempts, their systems in place are so pathetically embarrassing they it is the equivalent of ignoring it altogether.

I'm sorry but the uk as a whole has a massive youth behaviour problem which wasn't half the problem it was 50 years ago.

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