Enhanced disclosure check for nursing degree

Rather than wait for the new admission, are you sure they're closed everywhere for the remainder of the year by the way? You've decided to do a pointless access course as you dont need it to access the course? baffled. Yes, you're wasting your time on a more literal sense.

In the wider sense:

On a DBS check to work clinically (ie alone with vulnerable people) in the NHS you WILL need a full enhanced DBS clearance including barred list. This does show up other aspects including any cautions, reprimands, warnings and spent convictions.

You can read about this here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/disclosure-and-barring-service/about

Im not 100% if pending things show up. An illustrative extreme example would be someone who has been convicted of the worst thing with children, not being convicted again and having spent convictions, no longer being "registered" still would not be suitable for work in paeds. Applying to those roles knowing you are barred is actually a criminal offence in itself. Some people think a spent conviction is a spent conviction, and it is, in principle but not in some specific areas.

If what you're saying is true, accusations that were not convicted? Im not sure what you mean by exonerated, I know there is a definition but people use legal terms a bit loosely when untrained (me included). This shouldnt be an issue for you but I think only you will know this and the content/context and if you received caution but not convicted is meaning of exoneration it WILL show up. You can apply for a BASIC DBS check yourself by the way and see what comes. But it wont tell you what you probably want to know.

If you are convicted of a data breach in 2023 in a public office, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but I'm afraid you'd be in a very sticky situations when having access to patient records, the caldicott principles are very strict. They would want to know about any pending investigations in a public office.

Im talking specifically about employment here by the way not the undergrad nursing degree, I cannot imagine they would be much difference but I dont know specifically but there are obviously people here on those course and probably teaching on them now that can advise more accurately

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lorrainemt

Universities Forum Helper

Be upfront and explain to tutors the situation, or wait until the 2 issues are resolved and dealt with and then apply. You mention you 'might get an adult caution'- for a caution this is recorded on DBS and is an admission of guilt and you accept a caution, it isn't given to you. If you are not guilty then people don't accept it and contest. Data and fraud are taken seriously in NHS.

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artful_lounger

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A much smaller point but just for reference, you will still be able to apply through clearing in UCAS for 2024 entry if there are courses you wish to apply to and you aren't holding any offers in UCAS currently.

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Kevc79

OP

Original post by lorrainemt

Be upfront and explain to tutors the situation, or wait until the 2 issues are resolved and dealt with and then apply. You mention you 'might get an adult caution'- for a caution this is recorded on DBS and is an admission of guilt and you accept a caution, it isn't given to you. If you are not guilty then people don't accept it and contest. Data and fraud are taken seriously in NHS.

I’ve been up front and honest with the course provider and asked them how I should address this in my UCAS application. Thanks

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paub

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oh those last two things may be worse than they appear. those data breaches if proven may end your studies. if your found to be guilty of accessing data or using it without authority this will impact on your studies as a nurse your require to maintain strict confidentiality with those to offences spread over 10 years and you admit it how can you be trusted with you patients data. the first may appear but as it was N/A it should not effect the clearance. if you did not do the offenses do not admit it. get a lawyer

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Tonilou04

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Honestly I really think you’re going to struggle if you get convictions for either of those data breaches. It takes 11 years for most convictions to be filtered from an enhanced DBS, even a community order or anything like that. Give this nacro a call or email [email protected] they’re really helpful and they know everything in regards to DBS checks. On the ucas application for every uni you apply for it asks you if you have anything you want to declare and it gives you a section to explain. When will you know if you’ve been cleared or not?

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Kevc79

OP

Original post by Tonilou04

Honestly I really think you’re going to struggle if you get convictions for either of those data breaches. It takes 11 years for most convictions to be filtered from an enhanced DBS, even a community order or anything like that. Give this nacro a call or email [email protected] they’re really helpful and they know everything in regards to DBS checks. On the ucas application for every uni you apply for it asks you if you have anything you want to declare and it gives you a section to explain. When will you know if you’ve been cleared or not?

Thanks for your help. There was no section on the ucas form asking if there is anything I want to declare but I emailed the university admissions and was up front and honest. I am fully expecting to be rejected to be honest.

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Original post by Tonilou04

Honestly I really think you’re going to struggle if you get convictions for either of those data breaches. It takes 11 years for most convictions to be filtered from an enhanced DBS, even a community order or anything like that. Give this nacro a call or email [email protected] they’re really helpful and they know everything in regards to DBS checks. On the ucas application for every uni you apply for it asks you if you have anything you want to declare and it gives you a section to explain. When will you know if you’ve been cleared or not?

still be there on enhanced

Reply 9

Tonilou04

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Original post by wanga_wanga

still be there on enhanced

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. It depends on the conviction and offence as to whether it will be filtered from an enhanced DBS after 11 years

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Original post by Tonilou04

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. It depends on the conviction and offence as to whether it will be filtered from an enhanced DBS after 11 years

Yes, Did you read the posts? And my reply?

I ask as I think you're arguing with me from a more generic place and what Im saying is context specific.
Its a NHS role with vulnerable people.
Hes in a public office.
Hes been accused of "many serious criminal offences" of an ex partner.
And then

"I am currently a public servant and I am being investigated criminally for committing two alleged data breaches. One which was in 2011 and one which was in 2023. I might be found not guilty for one or get adult cautions or informed warnings or convictions for both in the near future."

What you're saying is accurate but lacking some context. Add the context back in and if you still think I'm wrong thats fair enough.

On an enhanced with barred list ALL specified offences, cautions and convictions will be disclosed. What you are describing is the unspecified list.

Obviously neither of us know the actual allegations, what exonerated means from the OP (as I said earlier) or that the data breach charge ACTUALLY was.

BUT

It WILL show.

Whether HR departments want to move on is up to them but it will be there (if specified).

The specified list is quiet eye opening if you're ever struggling to sleep but as Im sure you can imagine offences in a public office are almost always there.

To the point I'm not wondering how the expenses scandal drifted through.

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Reply 11

Kevc79

OP

Original post by Kevc79

Thanks for your help. There was no section on the ucas form asking if there is anything I want to declare but I emailed the university admissions and was up front and honest. I am fully expecting to be rejected to be honest.

Update: one alleged data offence happened in 2011 and is only being investigated in 2024 13 years later! I asked my solicitor if I get a diversion or conviction for this can it be marked as spent given that it happened in 2011. Solicitors advice was let’s wait and see what the CPS decide to do and not get too far ahead of ourselves.

The other alleged data breach happened in 2023 and I have submitted a robust defence to this allegation as I believed I had a lawful reason for accessing the data.

My ex-partners serious criminal allegations are just that. Malicious allegations. I was arrested and the CPS directed no prosecution against me due to there being absolutely no evidence against me and they seriously questioned my ex-partners credibility as she has told many lies about me in the past. Under the human rights act I am presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court.

So we’ll see what happens. I was able to apply for September 2024 degree. I have been up front with admissions dept and they have advised me they will speak to me in the future about my criminal disclosures. So fingers crossed and here is hoping it works out okay.

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