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Even Europe’s far-right firebrands seem to sense Brexit is a disaster- The Guardian

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/14/even-europes-far-right-firebrands-seem-to-sense-brexit-is-a-disaster

Note: this is probably more of an opinion piece than a news article, but similar stuff in France where the far-right party wanted Frexit I think.

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Reply 1
If the european far-rights have any sense, they will steer clear of any kind of EU exit. Nothing good has come out of Brexit.
Yep, it has been noted that certain national movements are no longer clamouring to leave the EU as they once were.

They can be grateful that the British chose to be the idiotic guinea pigs.
Reply 3
Original post by Talkative Toad
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/14/even-europes-far-right-firebrands-seem-to-sense-brexit-is-a-disaster
Note: this is probably more of an opinion piece than a news article, but similar stuff in France where the far-right party wanted Frexit I think.

The problem a lot of them have is that they have proportional systems and as such have to back down to enter coalitions. A lot of European electorates are also much more prone to changing governments. Hence, you have to pander quicker.
Original post by AriTem
If the european far-rights have any sense, they will steer clear of any kind of EU exit. Nothing good has come out of Brexit.

Clearly an EU wide policy on migration is needed
Original post by AriTem
If the european far-rights have any sense, they will steer clear of any kind of EU exit. Nothing good has come out of Brexit.

Agreed.
Reply 6
Original post by Talkative Toad
Agreed.

They tried to agree one.

In reality, Germany tried to impose it's liberal rubbish approach upon them and it was rejected.

If I was an eastern European nation who didn't want third world migrants, I certainly wouldn't trust Brussels.
Original post by Rakas21
They tried to agree one.

In reality, Germany tried to impose it's liberal rubbish approach upon them and it was rejected.

If I was an eastern European nation who didn't want third world migrants, I certainly wouldn't trust Brussels.


I think that England needs to take ownership of its actions and admit that Brexit hasn’t worked out the way that they wanted.
Reply 8
Original post by Talkative Toad
I think that England needs to take ownership of its actions and admit that Brexit hasn’t worked out the way that they wanted.

Unfortunately i agree however that's because the British establishment has proven far stronger than expected. Sunak is a man who says he voted for Brexit but who's most radical idea is to remove VAT on tampons.

At any rate, it's not a reason to rejoin.
Original post by Rakas21
Unfortunately i agree however that's because the British establishment has proven far stronger than expected. Sunak is a man who says he voted for Brexit but who's most radical idea is to remove VAT on tampons.

At any rate, it's not a reason to rejoin.


I don’t know what Sunak’s most radical idea is re Brexit but I think that sanitary products shouldn’t have a tax on them.
Original post by Rakas21
Unfortunately i agree however that's because the British establishment has proven far stronger than expected. Sunak is a man who says he voted for Brexit but who's most radical idea is to remove VAT on tampons.
At any rate, it's not a reason to rejoin.

As a loyal Conservative voter, you are literally a supporter of the British establishment. You actively endorse them every time you vote.

Brexit was never anti-establishment. The origins of Euroscepticism was not some anti-establishment grassroots movement, it was a schism within the Conservative Party. The people and organisations that were telling you how to vote for Brexit and feeding you the false promises like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, etc. are part of the establishment.

It is staggering that eight years after the Brexit vote, many supporters of Brexit still do not grasp that they were played by confidence tricksters.
Original post by Gazpacho.
As a loyal Conservative voter, you are literally a supporter of the British establishment. You actively endorse them every time you vote.

Brexit was never anti-establishment. The origins of Euroscepticism was not some anti-establishment grassroots movement, it was a schism within the Conservative Party. The people and organisations that were telling you how to vote for Brexit and feeding you the false promises like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, etc. are part of the establishment.

It is staggering that eight years after the Brexit vote, many supporters of Brexit still do not grasp that they were played by confidence tricksters.

To be fair, you can be conservative and anti-Brexit or Labour and pro-Brexit but I take the point.
Original post by Talkative Toad
To be fair, you can be conservative and anti-Brexit or Labour and pro-Brexit but I take the point.

However you can't be a Conservative voter and anti-establishment. They are the establishment party of Britain.

Complaining about the establishment while voting Conservative is entirely self-defeating.
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Original post by Gazpacho.
However you can't be a Conservative voter and anti-establishment. They are the establishment party of Britain.


That’s true
The entire narrative of the EUphile has been "if we shout it over and over again, maybe it will become true"

Look around the EU and tell me which countries are doing considerably better than the UK, relative to 10 years ago. Then ask - is all this really worth making Europe the centre of the human condition? The way that the EU is talked about by EUphiles really is quite deranged - to the extent of trying to make the EU the second national religion, after the NHS.
Original post by Trinculo
The entire narrative of the EUphile has been "if we shout it over and over again, maybe it will become true"
Look around the EU and tell me which countries are doing considerably better than the UK, relative to 10 years ago. Then ask - is all this really worth making Europe the centre of the human condition? The way that the EU is talked about by EUphiles really is quite deranged - to the extent of trying to make the EU the second national religion, after the NHS.

The entire narrative of the euroskeptic has been "if we shout it over and over again, maybe it will become true".

Look across the UK and tell us what has become considerably better since we left the EU. Then ask - can this be attributed to us leaving? The way the EU is talked about by euroskeptics really is quiet deranged - they still blame it for our problems even though we have left. It is like a religion to them.
Original post by Trinculo
The entire narrative of the EUphile has been "if we shout it over and over again, maybe it will become true"
Look around the EU and tell me which countries are doing considerably better than the UK, relative to 10 years ago. Then ask - is all this really worth making Europe the centre of the human condition? The way that the EU is talked about by EUphiles really is quite deranged - to the extent of trying to make the EU the second national religion, after the NHS.

The factual truth of Brexit Britain is we’ve had eight consecutive quarters of falling GDP per capita and the highest net migration figures on record.

Is British people getting poorer while our infrastructure struggles with rapid population increase really the outcome you desired?

Can you explain how people objecting to that are deranged?
Original post by Gazpacho.
The factual truth of Brexit Britain is we’ve had eight consecutive quarters of falling GDP per capita and the highest net migration figures on record.
Is British people getting poorer while our infrastructure struggles with rapid population increase really the outcome you desired?
Can you explain how people objecting to that are deranged?

Again - name one country in the EU that is doing well. The UK has had a poor couple of years - like pretty much every country in the world, and certainly the EU. What evidence is there that EU membership would have changed anything?

Net migration is at record highs. Why are all these people flocking to bad, sad, poor, racist Britain?
Original post by Trinculo
Again - name one country in the EU that is doing well. The UK has had a poor couple of years - like pretty much every country in the world, and certainly the EU. What evidence is there that EU membership would have changed anything?
Net migration is at record highs. Why are all these people flocking to bad, sad, poor, racist Britain?

Productivity is down 4%, exports are down 15% and GDP is down 5% relative to what we would have had if we remained. We would have been wealthier if we stayed.

What evidence is there that leaving the EU has changed anything for the better, or has improved something relative to what we would have had if we remained?
Original post by Trinculo
Again - name one country in the EU that is doing well. The UK has had a poor couple of years - like pretty much every country in the world, and certainly the EU. What evidence is there that EU membership would have changed anything?
Net migration is at record highs. Why are all these people flocking to bad, sad, poor, racist Britain?

To be fair, net migration is because our government is full of morons who will give a house and benefits to illegal immigrants over your average Brit. Has nothing to do with how well we're doing. That would be the same even if we're didn't brexit.

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