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Reply 1
cambridge for sure. although getting the offer is probably equally difficult at both, getting the required grades in STEP II and STEP III alongside your A-Levels, makes getting into cambridge much more difficult
Reply 2
Original post by aranon
cambridge for sure. although getting the offer is probably equally difficult at both, getting the required grades in STEP II and STEP III alongside your A-Levels, makes getting into cambridge much more difficult

Getting a Cambridge offer is easier as they over-offer by over 2:1, but I agree that making the offer is the hardest part of either application process.
Reply 3
Original post by RichE
Getting a Cambridge offer is easier as they over-offer by over 2:1, but I agree that making the offer is the hardest part of either application process.

Do they give really harsh conditions in their offers?
Reply 4
Original post by yi123456
Do they give really harsh conditions in their offers?

The offer is made on A-levels and STEP - usually 1,1 in STEP II and III.
Reply 5
Original post by RichE
Getting a Cambridge offer is easier as they over-offer by over 2:1, but I agree that making the offer is the hardest part of either application process.

Making the offer is the easiest part of the Oxford process, its A*A*A, which is very doable for anyone who has passed the MAT and interview save for mitigating circumstances. Its only Cambridge where meeting the offer is hard.
Reply 6
Original post by vnayak
50% of the offer holders don't meet their requirements because they messed up the STEP. Grade 2 in one of the papers would be OK but they have to get grade 2 in both papers, which, trust me, is insane! I'm having to do STEP II for Imperial CS and I'm finding it hard enough as it is but it's going OK I think. I'm grinding and hoping.

I think you have to get grade 1 in both papers for Cambridge
Original post by vnayak
50% of the offer holders don't meet their requirements because they messed up the STEP. Grade 2 in one of the papers would be OK but they have to get grade 2 in both papers, which, trust me, is insane! I'm having to do STEP II for Imperial CS and I'm finding it hard enough as it is but it's going OK I think. I'm grinding and hoping.

Just to clarify that it's usually two grade 1's, but a grade 1 is the second highest grade with S being the highest.
Original post by melancollege
Just to clarify that it's usually two grade 1's, but a grade 1 is the second highest grade with S being the highest.

Typo 😂...meant to say grade 1
Original post by lalexm
I think you have to get grade 1 in both papers for Cambridge

it was a typo
Reply 10
Original post by yi123456
Do they give really harsh conditions in their offers?

it depends. as an international students, I have to get 1 plus S for my STEPs if I want to study in Cambridge.....(sadly😭
Reply 11
Original post by yi123456
Is Cambridge or Oxford harder to get in to

I don't know whether you are now preparing for Cambridge or have already received the conditional offers. I think you are in the former situation, meaning that you probably still have more than one year to prepare it. Believe me, it is accessible for students to prepare STEPs and eventually get a good score in one years since I'm now in Grade 11 and I'm going to take STEPs this year, and I get around 80 and even sometimes more than 90 for all my mock tests taking at school, using STEP past paper from 2018 to 2020.

Here are some of my suggests for you to try:

1.

Before trying STEPs, be sure that you finish your AL further mathematics really well, means that you not only know how to use the methods to solve questions, but also their underlying meanings.
Even if STEP2 doesn't require you to have knowledge about A2 further mathematics, you need to know more mathematics knowledges so as to broaden your horizon or to make you think like a mathematician.
If you don't like Mechanics or Statistics, then it is okay to skip them when studying further mathematics, but you have to learn Pure Mathematics really well.
PS: TRY SOME TEST PAPERS OF FURTHER MATHEMATICS! YOU NEED PRACTICE INSTEAD OF MERELY KNOWING THE METHOD!

2.

(option) If you have time, try AMC12 or BMO1 and do some of their past papers, because you need to know 'how mathematicians or university mathematics professors think'.
You may find AoPS website and UKMT website useful. There is a great book called ACE THE AMC 10/12(which you can find online, or I can send it to you through email), written by students and covered almost all knowledge about AMC from geometry to number theory, which is useful if you don't have a basic understanding about these fields

3.

Use Cambridge website wisely.
There are some STEP modules and a recommended online book about some great STEP questions on the Cambridge website. Print them out and finish all of them! They are the good start points and you can gain a basic understanding of STEP once you finish them. There are also some knowledge notes organised by Cambridge and they are available on the website.

4.

Finally, do all the question papers from 1998 to 2023.
You no longer need to do STEP1 questions since they are too simple for students applying to mathematics faculty and doing them is a bit like waste of time. It will be more effective for you to do all question papers of STEP2 and STEP3. You may also do question papers from 1988 to 1997, but since the syllabus changed in 1998, it might be confusing to do some early papers.
At the time doing STEPs, prepare a notebook for writing down some now knowledge or skill you have learned, like ' when we know a relationship in the form of A+B+C+D and want to prove a equality in the form of ABCD, let a=InA, b=InB, c=InC, d=InD and calculate a+b+c+d'. Also, organise the questions which you think are difficult but you can soon learn how to solve them, make a list, and finish them again before the week of taking STEPs

That's all my suggests and all my experience during the study of this year. Hope that it is useful for you, and also hope that I can get 1&1 or even higher in STEPs this year.

Here's some useful website:
STEP database: https://stepdatabase.maths.org/database/index.html#
AoPS database, consisting of almost all question paper from almost around the world, if you want to find STEP/AMC question papers, try this: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3158_usa_contests
STEP modules:
https://maths.org/step/assignments
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepii
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepiii
AMC12: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_12_Problems_and_Solutions
BMO1: https://bmos.ukmt.org.uk/home/bmo.shtml

GOOD LUCK!😜
Original post by ECFDPB
it depends. as an international students, I have to get 1 plus S for my STEPs if I want to study in Cambridge.....(sadly😭

Wait, I thought 1,1 was their standard offer? You need an S?! ☠️☠️☠️. I'm doing STEP II for Imperial CS and I'm finding it hard enough. Wishing you the best of luck.
Reply 13
Original post by vnayak
Wait, I thought 1,1 was their standard offer? You need an S?! ☠️☠️☠️. I'm doing STEP II for Imperial CS and I'm finding it hard enough. Wishing you the best of luck.

I'm going to apply to Cambridge this September but it is true that 1 plus S is the general standard for us international students(maybe because I'm from China😭)
Reply 14
Original post by vnayak
Why would they increase it though for internationals? I mean, surely they would keep it the same? It might be because they give out far more international offers than home offers, but that is still super weird.

Only Cambridge knows😭 But I deem that they just want those most competitive and potential internationals.
Original post by ECFDPB
I don't know whether you are now preparing for Cambridge or have already received the conditional offers. I think you are in the former situation, meaning that you probably still have more than one year to prepare it. Believe me, it is accessible for students to prepare STEPs and eventually get a good score in one years since I'm now in Grade 11 and I'm going to take STEPs this year, and I get around 80 and even sometimes more than 90 for all my mock tests taking at school, using STEP past paper from 2018 to 2020.
Here are some of my suggests for you to try:

1.

Before trying STEPs, be sure that you finish your AL further mathematics really well, means that you not only know how to use the methods to solve questions, but also their underlying meanings.
Even if STEP2 doesn't require you to have knowledge about A2 further mathematics, you need to know more mathematics knowledges so as to broaden your horizon or to make you think like a mathematician.
If you don't like Mechanics or Statistics, then it is okay to skip them when studying further mathematics, but you have to learn Pure Mathematics really well.
PS: TRY SOME TEST PAPERS OF FURTHER MATHEMATICS! YOU NEED PRACTICE INSTEAD OF MERELY KNOWING THE METHOD!

2.

(option) If you have time, try AMC12 or BMO1 and do some of their past papers, because you need to know 'how mathematicians or university mathematics professors think'.
You may find AoPS website and UKMT website useful. There is a great book called ACE THE AMC 10/12(which you can find online, or I can send it to you through email), written by students and covered almost all knowledge about AMC from geometry to number theory, which is useful if you don't have a basic understanding about these fields

3.

Use Cambridge website wisely.
There are some STEP modules and a recommended online book about some great STEP questions on the Cambridge website. Print them out and finish all of them! They are the good start points and you can gain a basic understanding of STEP once you finish them. There are also some knowledge notes organised by Cambridge and they are available on the website.

4.

Finally, do all the question papers from 1998 to 2023.
You no longer need to do STEP1 questions since they are too simple for students applying to mathematics faculty and doing them is a bit like waste of time. It will be more effective for you to do all question papers of STEP2 and STEP3. You may also do question papers from 1988 to 1997, but since the syllabus changed in 1998, it might be confusing to do some early papers.
At the time doing STEPs, prepare a notebook for writing down some now knowledge or skill you have learned, like ' when we know a relationship in the form of A+B+C+D and want to prove a equality in the form of ABCD, let a=InA, b=InB, c=InC, d=InD and calculate a+b+c+d'. Also, organise the questions which you think are difficult but you can soon learn how to solve them, make a list, and finish them again before the week of taking STEPs

That's all my suggests and all my experience during the study of this year. Hope that it is useful for you, and also hope that I can get 1&1 or even higher in STEPs this year.
Here's some useful website:
STEP database: https://stepdatabase.maths.org/database/index.html#
AoPS database, consisting of almost all question paper from almost around the world, if you want to find STEP/AMC question papers, try this: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3158_usa_contests
STEP modules:
https://maths.org/step/assignments
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepii
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepiii
AMC12: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_12_Problems_and_Solutions
BMO1: https://bmos.ukmt.org.uk/home/bmo.shtml
GOOD LUCK!😜

Are you taking STEP before your A levels [or equivalent]?
Reply 16
Original post by ECFDPB
I don't know whether you are now preparing for Cambridge or have already received the conditional offers. I think you are in the former situation, meaning that you probably still have more than one year to prepare it. Believe me, it is accessible for students to prepare STEPs and eventually get a good score in one years since I'm now in Grade 11 and I'm going to take STEPs this year, and I get around 80 and even sometimes more than 90 for all my mock tests taking at school, using STEP past paper from 2018 to 2020.
Here are some of my suggests for you to try:

1.

Before trying STEPs, be sure that you finish your AL further mathematics really well, means that you not only know how to use the methods to solve questions, but also their underlying meanings.
Even if STEP2 doesn't require you to have knowledge about A2 further mathematics, you need to know more mathematics knowledges so as to broaden your horizon or to make you think like a mathematician.
If you don't like Mechanics or Statistics, then it is okay to skip them when studying further mathematics, but you have to learn Pure Mathematics really well.
PS: TRY SOME TEST PAPERS OF FURTHER MATHEMATICS! YOU NEED PRACTICE INSTEAD OF MERELY KNOWING THE METHOD!

2.

(option) If you have time, try AMC12 or BMO1 and do some of their past papers, because you need to know 'how mathematicians or university mathematics professors think'.
You may find AoPS website and UKMT website useful. There is a great book called ACE THE AMC 10/12(which you can find online, or I can send it to you through email), written by students and covered almost all knowledge about AMC from geometry to number theory, which is useful if you don't have a basic understanding about these fields

3.

Use Cambridge website wisely.
There are some STEP modules and a recommended online book about some great STEP questions on the Cambridge website. Print them out and finish all of them! They are the good start points and you can gain a basic understanding of STEP once you finish them. There are also some knowledge notes organised by Cambridge and they are available on the website.

4.

Finally, do all the question papers from 1998 to 2023.
You no longer need to do STEP1 questions since they are too simple for students applying to mathematics faculty and doing them is a bit like waste of time. It will be more effective for you to do all question papers of STEP2 and STEP3. You may also do question papers from 1988 to 1997, but since the syllabus changed in 1998, it might be confusing to do some early papers.
At the time doing STEPs, prepare a notebook for writing down some now knowledge or skill you have learned, like ' when we know a relationship in the form of A+B+C+D and want to prove a equality in the form of ABCD, let a=InA, b=InB, c=InC, d=InD and calculate a+b+c+d'. Also, organise the questions which you think are difficult but you can soon learn how to solve them, make a list, and finish them again before the week of taking STEPs

That's all my suggests and all my experience during the study of this year. Hope that it is useful for you, and also hope that I can get 1&1 or even higher in STEPs this year.
Here's some useful website:
STEP database: https://stepdatabase.maths.org/database/index.html#
AoPS database, consisting of almost all question paper from almost around the world, if you want to find STEP/AMC question papers, try this: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3158_usa_contests
STEP modules:
https://maths.org/step/assignments
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepii
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepiii
AMC12: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_12_Problems_and_Solutions
BMO1: https://bmos.ukmt.org.uk/home/bmo.shtml
GOOD LUCK!😜

omg THANK U SO MUCHHHH
Reply 17
Original post by ECFDPB
I don't know whether you are now preparing for Cambridge or have already received the conditional offers. I think you are in the former situation, meaning that you probably still have more than one year to prepare it. Believe me, it is accessible for students to prepare STEPs and eventually get a good score in one years since I'm now in Grade 11 and I'm going to take STEPs this year, and I get around 80 and even sometimes more than 90 for all my mock tests taking at school, using STEP past paper from 2018 to 2020.
Here are some of my suggests for you to try:

1.

Before trying STEPs, be sure that you finish your AL further mathematics really well, means that you not only know how to use the methods to solve questions, but also their underlying meanings.
Even if STEP2 doesn't require you to have knowledge about A2 further mathematics, you need to know more mathematics knowledges so as to broaden your horizon or to make you think like a mathematician.
If you don't like Mechanics or Statistics, then it is okay to skip them when studying further mathematics, but you have to learn Pure Mathematics really well.
PS: TRY SOME TEST PAPERS OF FURTHER MATHEMATICS! YOU NEED PRACTICE INSTEAD OF MERELY KNOWING THE METHOD!

2.

(option) If you have time, try AMC12 or BMO1 and do some of their past papers, because you need to know 'how mathematicians or university mathematics professors think'.
You may find AoPS website and UKMT website useful. There is a great book called ACE THE AMC 10/12(which you can find online, or I can send it to you through email), written by students and covered almost all knowledge about AMC from geometry to number theory, which is useful if you don't have a basic understanding about these fields

3.

Use Cambridge website wisely.
There are some STEP modules and a recommended online book about some great STEP questions on the Cambridge website. Print them out and finish all of them! They are the good start points and you can gain a basic understanding of STEP once you finish them. There are also some knowledge notes organised by Cambridge and they are available on the website.

4.

Finally, do all the question papers from 1998 to 2023.
You no longer need to do STEP1 questions since they are too simple for students applying to mathematics faculty and doing them is a bit like waste of time. It will be more effective for you to do all question papers of STEP2 and STEP3. You may also do question papers from 1988 to 1997, but since the syllabus changed in 1998, it might be confusing to do some early papers.
At the time doing STEPs, prepare a notebook for writing down some now knowledge or skill you have learned, like ' when we know a relationship in the form of A+B+C+D and want to prove a equality in the form of ABCD, let a=InA, b=InB, c=InC, d=InD and calculate a+b+c+d'. Also, organise the questions which you think are difficult but you can soon learn how to solve them, make a list, and finish them again before the week of taking STEPs

That's all my suggests and all my experience during the study of this year. Hope that it is useful for you, and also hope that I can get 1&1 or even higher in STEPs this year.
Here's some useful website:
STEP database: https://stepdatabase.maths.org/database/index.html#
AoPS database, consisting of almost all question paper from almost around the world, if you want to find STEP/AMC question papers, try this: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3158_usa_contests
STEP modules:
https://maths.org/step/assignments
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepii
https://maths.org/step/assignments-stepiii
AMC12: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_12_Problems_and_Solutions
BMO1: https://bmos.ukmt.org.uk/home/bmo.shtml
GOOD LUCK!😜

Sorry to ask, but could you send me the AMC 12 book pls 🥺
Reply 18
Original post by Muttley79
Are you taking STEP before your A levels [or equivalent]?

Actually I self-studied AL Further Mathematics and take the examination at the beginning of Grade 11 and got 96%. (In China we apply to university and graduate from high school at Grade 12)
Reply 19
Original post by Muttley79
Are you taking STEP before your A levels [or equivalent]?

and now it is the end of my Grade 11 so I'm taking STEP after my AL 😂 But compared with peers, it might seems like that I'm taking STEP a little bit earlier

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