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im wired on heroin now
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im wired on heroin now
you just made me spray my orange juice all over the room.

i said orange juice by the way.
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But there is no definition of "liberty". It does not mean license to do what you want. It isn't even a real entity, there is no set "level" of liberty that a woman should be allowed.
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Wow a good proportion of people have been brainwashed by the media here. Saying drug users are losers, idiots, wasters etc is nonsense. And many of you are making your ignorance clear by implying all drugs are equally bad and all users become addicts.
Bad drugs - heroin, crystal, crack, potentially cocaine - potential for addiction is high.
Im my opinion - cannabis, ecstasy, ketamine are fair play.
Without bragging, I got 6A* and 2As at GCSE and 2As and a B at A-level. I'm studying Psychology at uni in September. I am not a waster. Occasionally I enjoy a joint. When I go out to a club I like to have a couple of pills - ecstasy and dance music combined is a close to a religious experience as I'll probably ever have. I am not addicted to these drugs, either psychologically or physically.
All you moralisers out there need to understand that there are millions of people who enjoy drugs in moderation, and it is not a slippery slope into waster-ville that many of you equate it with.
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Wow a good proportion of people have been brainwashed by the media here. Saying drug users are losers, idiots, wasters etc is nonsense. And many of you are making your ignorance clear by implying all drugs are equally bad and all users become addicts.
Bad drugs - heroin, crystal, crack, potentially cocaine - potential for addiction is high.
Im my opinion - cannabis, ecstasy, ketamine are fair play.
Without bragging, I got 6A* and 2As at GCSE and 2As and a B at A-level. I'm studying Psychology at uni in September. I am not a waster. Occasionally I enjoy a joint. When I go out to a club I like to have a couple of pills - ecstasy and dance music combined is a close to a religious experience as I'll probably ever have. I am not addicted to these drugs, either psychologically or physically.
All you moralisers out there need to understand that there are millions of people who enjoy drugs in moderation, and it is not a slippery slope into waster-ville that many of you equate it with.
*Would like you to go say that to the people in rehab and their families and see if you can run away fast enough before they pummel you*
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ketamine = "fair play"?!
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ketamine = "fair play"?!
ive always been to scared to try ketamine, but i know a lot of people that do it and they have never had anything bad happen. in general people who mess up on drugs just shouldnt have done them in the first place because their personality is not suited to it (eg if they have an addictive personality) and do not know when to stop. or they know nothing about the drug they are doing, so end up oding or having a bad experience. if youre gonna do hard drugs, then you should do a bit of research first to make sure that you are being relativley safe.
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*Would like you to go say that to the people in rehab and their families and see if you can run away fast enough before they pummel you*
Again, your ignorance is clear - ecstacy and cannabis are not addictive. People in rehab are likely heroin/crack addicts. The anti-drug press likes to paint all drugs with a very broad brush and it simply does not work like that. I said there are some bad drugs - I am also saying there are some drugs which millions of people use with pleasant effects and no addiction.

I'm not sure why you're so shocked about ketamine? I know in liquid form it's a horse tranquiliser but it's hugely available in powder form and is widely used as such.
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ive always been to scared to try ketamine, but i know a lot of people that do it and they have never had anything bad happen. in general people who mess up on drugs just shouldnt have done them in the first place because their personality is not suited to it (eg if they have an addictive personality) and do not know when to stop. or they know nothing about the drug they are doing, so end up oding or having a bad experience. if youre gonna do hard drugs, then you should do a bit of research first to make sure that you are being relativley safe.
I think we're on the same wavelength here, I find myself nodding my head in agreement at your points throughout this thread.
It's a sad fact that some people are predispositioned to become addicted to substances more easily than others, but then this is applicable to food, alcohol, nicotine etc..
On the ketamine point (again) i've never had much of an experience on it to be honest. The thing to watch out for with K is that, if you snort an awful lot(which you shouldn't of any drug anyway) you might go into a K hole, where u have ****ed up hallucinations - one of my mates thought he was a cat for hours, another thought he was on a rollercoaster. But again, this just shows you should find out what you should be doing with a drug before you take it and you should be fine.
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Again, your ignorance is clear - ecstacy and cannabis are not addictive. People in rehab are likely heroin/crack addicts. The anti-drug press likes to paint all drugs with a very broad brush and it simply does not work like that. I said there are some bad drugs - I am also saying there are some drugs which millions of people use with pleasant effects and no addiction.

I'm not sure why you're so shocked about ketamine? I know in liquid form it's a horse tranquiliser but it's hugely available in powder form and is widely used as such.
No, she isn't ignorant at all. She was just adding her own experience of people who have gone off the rails on drugs.

Why am I so shocked about ketamine? Because it's an unknown quantity to me, so I personally wouldn't call it "fair play". Drugs are obviously a very personal thing - there are no universals or certainties when it comes to drugs (whether that's a variance from joint to joint, from baggie to baggie, or between different users). It's the unpredictability that makes them both exciting and scary.
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Again, your ignorance is clear - ecstacy and cannabis are not addictive.
Chemically, no... but anything that makes you feel good can be addictive. I know a few guys that are DEFINATELY, no questions asked, hooked on weed.

That said - I smoke it occasionally and know for a fact that I'll never get addicted. As someone said, it has to do with what sort of person you are. Some people will easily get hooked on things... some won't.

You CAN get addicted, but it's far from a certainty. Some people still believe that if you start smoking socially you'll definately get addicted, which is bullsh*t, as I've been smoking a 5-10 cigarettes on nights out every couple of weeks for almost 4 years.
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Again, your ignorance is clear - ecstacy and cannabis are not addictive.
when the scientists have yet to work out the physiological dependency issues related to cannabis i think that it's slightly premature for you to dismiss it as non-addictive.

and then there's also the psychological perspective.

Is cannabis addictive - Guardian 2004


With ectasy, there's more physiological evidence to support claims that it isn't physically addictive, but still we have the whole psychological issue. users can start to like it too much and crave the emotional contentment that it provides.
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No, she isn't ignorant at all. She was just adding her own experience of people who have gone off the rails on drugs.

Why am I so shocked about ketamine? Because it's an unknown quantity to me, so I personally wouldn't call it "fair play". Drugs are obviously a very personal thing - there are no universals or certainties when it comes to drugs (whether that's a variance from joint to joint, from baggie to baggie, or between different users). It's the unpredictability that makes them both exciting and scary.
thats one of the main problems with ketamine. as far as im aware its not that widley used (in comparision to cannibis, e, etc) and there is not much information avaible on it. its hard to judge the amount that you are taking, so you have no control over it. with most drugs, it easier to judge how much you have taken, although it can never be weighed to nicety, you tend to have much more control over how much you do and therefore the feelings you get of it.
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I think we're on the same wavelength here, I find myself nodding my head in agreement at your points throughout this thread.
It's a sad fact that some people are predispositioned to become addicted to substances more easily than others, but then this is applicable to food, alcohol, nicotine etc..
On the ketamine point (again) i've never had much of an experience on it to be honest. The thing to watch out for with K is that, if you snort an awful lot(which you shouldn't of any drug anyway) you might go into a K hole, where u have ****ed up hallucinations - one of my mates thought he was a cat for hours, another thought he was on a rollercoaster. But again, this just shows you should find out what you should be doing with a drug before you take it and you should be fine.
yeah, what annoys me about some people is that they are willing to take drungs that they know nothing about and do not know their limits as they have not looked into the side effects that it may have. then they moan when they have a bad experience and expect you to look after them. which i always will do, but i tend to think that should know what they are doing before they do it.
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yeah, what annoys me about some people is that they are willing to take drungs that they know nothing about and do not know their limits
Really? I find it hilarious when it's some 16 year old's first time smoking weed and they act all "oh yeah, I do it all the time", and then they smoke too much and go totally green and puke. It's hilarious
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i smoked weed one, i didn'k like it... i prefeer beer
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Really? I find it hilarious when it's some 16 year old's first time smoking weed and they act all "oh yeah, I do it all the time", and then they smoke too much and go totally green and puke. It's hilarious
yeah thats funny you gotta laugh at that! i meant when people have a bad time on e or shrooms or somethin, cos its a bit more serious. whenever thats happened to me tho its just been that person spinning out cos they didnt know what was happening and nothing bads ever happened.
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Again, your ignorance is clear - ecstacy and cannabis are not addictive. People in rehab are likely heroin/crack addicts. The anti-drug press likes to paint all drugs with a very broad brush and it simply does not work like that. I said there are some bad drugs - I am also saying there are some drugs which millions of people use with pleasant effects and no addiction.

I'm not sure why you're so shocked about ketamine? I know in liquid form it's a horse tranquiliser but it's hugely available in powder form and is widely used as such.
Ever been to a rehab centre? Ever lived with a user? No.
Well let me tell you about cannabis-first it cuased my brother to become a little bit dopier than he already was, then he started to get exceptionally paranoid, then he believed that the cat was one of satan and actually killed it-yes killed it. Instead of chucking him out my parents sent him off to a psychiatrist specialising in induced psychosis but to no avail as he continued to use and getting a buzz from bigger and better things. When he did E he would come home and wake everyone up (including nights before exams), bring girls home who stole form us and breaking stuff, like the tv. Then he started snorting coke and this, funny enough was the worst bit. He would get exceptionally violent (he broke my nose) and would steal from everyone from family to my friends. Eventually my mum chucked him out and as far as I'm aware he went onto heroin. ^ months later he ended up in rehab and although he's clean now I can never forgive what he did. Never. If you go to rehab or support groups for families you'll find my story is tame. So dont you ever ever tell me that I've been brain washed by the media-I've lived it second hand so piss off telling us what to think when you dont have a clue you selfish git.
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Ever been to a rehab centre? Ever lived with a user? No.
Well let me tell you about cannabis-first it cuased my brother to become a little bit dopier than he already was, then he started to get exceptionally paranoid, then he believed that the cat was one of satan and actually killed it-yes killed it. Instead of chucking him out my parents sent him off to a psychiatrist specialising in induced psychosis but to no avail as he continued to use and getting a buzz from bigger and better things. When he did E he would come home and wake everyone up (including nights before exams), bring girls home who stole form us and breaking stuff, like the tv. Then he started snorting coke and this, funny enough was the worst bit. He would get exceptionally violent (he broke my nose) and would steal from everyone from family to my friends. Eventually my mum chucked him out and as far as I'm aware he went onto heroin. ^ months later he ended up in rehab and although he's clean now I can never forgive what he did. Never. If you go to rehab or support groups for families you'll find my story is tame. So dont you ever ever tell me that I've been brain washed by the media-I've lived it second hand so piss off telling us what to think when you dont have a clue you selfish git.
But like I said, millions of people use drugs recreationally, in moderation and never have any problems. Some people are genetically or psychologically predisposed to become addicted or react negatively to drugs, but then that is true of any substance.
I, and a lot of my friends, smoke the odd joint, take the odd pill, have an odd bit of K, and use them socially - maybe once or twice a week at most - we are not furiously snorting smoking or popping substances every day.
What I'm saying is that the media likes to paint cases like your brothers as the norm when it isn't. It likes to make drugs out as one big slippery slope when it isn't. 500,000 people take ecstacy every weekend. These people are normal people, people who live the 9-5, people who make a contribution to society and once a week they'll take a pill or 2 to enhance the dance music in a club.
That is the norm when it comes to drugs and that is what the scaremongering media furiously denies
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why is it acceptable to drink but if you take drugs you are negatively stero-typed? alcohol can do just as much damage. thousands of ppl die a week from alchol abuse. nowhere near that amount of ppl die from drug abuse. oh and youre more likely to die chewing on a cabbage leaf than taking ecstasy (according to a film but i cant remember what one). smokings just as bad as well. if youre smoking grass, at least you get something out of it (you get high) if you just smoke cigs all you get is lung cancer.
People who drink alcohol are in the majority, people who do drugs are in the minority. If drugs weren't illegal a lot more people would be doing them, so a lot more people would die.
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