university deceived me?
Posted about this before. Just updating how I was deceived into receiving a decision.
My co-supervisor went on leave for 1 month.
Despite sending 3 emails (2 during his leave which I didnt know about until I received his OOF) with the updated proposal 2 weeks ago, I received no response from my co-supervisor. The only updates I received were vague reassurances from the doctoral school, stating that my application was still being assessed and I would hear back soon.
My lead supervisor expressed enthusiasm about working with me, and my co-supervisor indicated that there was probably a place for me at the university if I revised my proposal.
But no reply or decision.
Its been 3 months.
What do I do?
My co-supervisor went on leave for 1 month.
Despite sending 3 emails (2 during his leave which I didnt know about until I received his OOF) with the updated proposal 2 weeks ago, I received no response from my co-supervisor. The only updates I received were vague reassurances from the doctoral school, stating that my application was still being assessed and I would hear back soon.
My lead supervisor expressed enthusiasm about working with me, and my co-supervisor indicated that there was probably a place for me at the university if I revised my proposal.
But no reply or decision.
Its been 3 months.
What do I do?
(edited 5 months ago)
Original post by BlueEyesHypnotiz
Posted about this before. Just updating how I was deceived into receiving a decision.
My co-supervisor went on leave for 1 month.
Despite sending 3 emails (2 during his leave which I didnt know about until I received his OOF) with the updated proposal 2 weeks ago, I received no response from my co-supervisor. The only updates I received were vague reassurances from the doctoral school, stating that my application was still being assessed and I would hear back soon.
My lead supervisor expressed enthusiasm about working with me, and my co-supervisor indicated that there was probably a place for me at the university if I revised my proposal.
Yet, today I received an email stating my application has been rejected because I don't meet the entry requirements. I have a a 2.2 and a Merit (they require a 2.1 and a Merit and in special circumstances they will consider work experience).
Why ask me to revise when I didn't meet the requirements? They could have rejected me straightaway saying they had no wishes to take me yet they asked me to revise, made me wait 2 months for a decision which they weren't even giving until I had to respond to another offer and sent them an email asking for a decision and then they sent out a clumsy email saying your application was not successful.
The portal was never updated from 30th March because they most likely never assessed my application and were simply fooling me.
I always felt I was being tricked yet nobody believed me and thought it was incompetence. What do I do?
My co-supervisor went on leave for 1 month.
Despite sending 3 emails (2 during his leave which I didnt know about until I received his OOF) with the updated proposal 2 weeks ago, I received no response from my co-supervisor. The only updates I received were vague reassurances from the doctoral school, stating that my application was still being assessed and I would hear back soon.
My lead supervisor expressed enthusiasm about working with me, and my co-supervisor indicated that there was probably a place for me at the university if I revised my proposal.
Yet, today I received an email stating my application has been rejected because I don't meet the entry requirements. I have a a 2.2 and a Merit (they require a 2.1 and a Merit and in special circumstances they will consider work experience).
Why ask me to revise when I didn't meet the requirements? They could have rejected me straightaway saying they had no wishes to take me yet they asked me to revise, made me wait 2 months for a decision which they weren't even giving until I had to respond to another offer and sent them an email asking for a decision and then they sent out a clumsy email saying your application was not successful.
The portal was never updated from 30th March because they most likely never assessed my application and were simply fooling me.
I always felt I was being tricked yet nobody believed me and thought it was incompetence. What do I do?
What were the "special circumstances" which led you believe that they would accept you despite you not meeting their stated entry requirements?
They could well have been delaying a decision on your application until they'd made a decision on all the applicants who do meet their entry requirements. It may have been they they'd hoped to be able to accept you, but had too many better qualified candidates to allow them to do so
(Clearly, I'm just speculating here.)
Original post by DataVenia
What were the "special circumstances" which led you believe that they would accept you despite you not meeting their stated entry requirements?
They could well have been delaying a decision on your application until they'd made a decision on all the applicants who do meet their entry requirements. It may have been they they'd hoped to be able to accept you, but had too many better qualified candidates to allow them to do so
(Clearly, I'm just speculating here.)
They could well have been delaying a decision on your application until they'd made a decision on all the applicants who do meet their entry requirements. It may have been they they'd hoped to be able to accept you, but had too many better qualified candidates to allow them to do so
(Clearly, I'm just speculating here.)
Because I have 3 years work experience in the research field and I was told that I do meet their special circumstances due to work experience hence my application was never rejected in the portal itself. Otherwise they flag applications that don't meet the criteria as unsuitable for entry - final decision by academic department.
I was also told that I only needed to revise my proposal and that i will be probably accepted if I revise according to the set recommendations
It's been a while since I worked in PhD/research admissions but if I am honest, this does not strike me as an unsual scenario. Frustrating, absolutely, but not out of the ordinary.
Typically you'd engage with an academic, find out if they wanted to supervise you, narrow down your proposal and then agree to submit a formal application. An academic isn't there to assess your previous grades, beyond potentially giving some advice about what may or may not be possible based on previous experience.
A central admissions team then looks at your app, spots that you don't meet the minimum requirements, then contacts the academic department to establish whether they want to make an exception. There are a lot of moving parts as to whether that does eventually happen, and it's not unsual for the outcome to be 'no'.
I can only repeat what I said in a previous thread, they're not going to waste their own time going back and forth if they genuinely have no interest or there was no possibility at all given your background. The one thing academics don't have is spare time to string people along. I don't think you were deceived although the outcome clearly is a disappointing one.
Typically you'd engage with an academic, find out if they wanted to supervise you, narrow down your proposal and then agree to submit a formal application. An academic isn't there to assess your previous grades, beyond potentially giving some advice about what may or may not be possible based on previous experience.
A central admissions team then looks at your app, spots that you don't meet the minimum requirements, then contacts the academic department to establish whether they want to make an exception. There are a lot of moving parts as to whether that does eventually happen, and it's not unsual for the outcome to be 'no'.
I can only repeat what I said in a previous thread, they're not going to waste their own time going back and forth if they genuinely have no interest or there was no possibility at all given your background. The one thing academics don't have is spare time to string people along. I don't think you were deceived although the outcome clearly is a disappointing one.
Original post by Admit-One
It's been a while since I worked in PhD/research admissions but if I am honest, this does not strike me as an unsual scenario. Frustrating, absolutely, but not out of the ordinary.
Typically you'd engage with an academic, find out if they wanted to supervise you, narrow down your proposal and then agree to submit a formal application. An academic isn't there to assess your previous grades, beyond potentially giving some advice about what may or may not be possible based on previous experience.
A central admissions team then looks at your app, spots that you don't meet the minimum requirements, then contacts the academic department to establish whether they want to make an exception. There are a lot of moving parts as to whether that does eventually happen, and it's not unsual for the outcome to be 'no'.
I can only repeat what I said in a previous thread, they're not going to waste their own time going back and forth if they genuinely have no interest or there was no possibility at all given your background. The one thing academics don't have is spare time to string people along. I don't think you were deceived although the outcome clearly is a disappointing one.
Typically you'd engage with an academic, find out if they wanted to supervise you, narrow down your proposal and then agree to submit a formal application. An academic isn't there to assess your previous grades, beyond potentially giving some advice about what may or may not be possible based on previous experience.
A central admissions team then looks at your app, spots that you don't meet the minimum requirements, then contacts the academic department to establish whether they want to make an exception. There are a lot of moving parts as to whether that does eventually happen, and it's not unsual for the outcome to be 'no'.
I can only repeat what I said in a previous thread, they're not going to waste their own time going back and forth if they genuinely have no interest or there was no possibility at all given your background. The one thing academics don't have is spare time to string people along. I don't think you were deceived although the outcome clearly is a disappointing one.
Yes so my application didn't meet the entry requirements yet the team forwarded the application to the academic review team. Who agreed to supervise - asked me to correct and resubmit the proposal. Then I received encouragement and support from my supervisor and she approved my proposal. The co supervisor however never got back to me even after he came back from his leave
That is why I was suspicious. Not replying and then not saying initially that I don't meet the entry.
Original post by BlueEyesHypnotiz
Yes so my application didn't meet the entry requirements yet the team forwarded the application to the academic review team. Who agreed to supervise - asked me to correct and resubmit the proposal. Then I received encouragement and support from my supervisor and she approved my proposal. The co supervisor however never got back to me even after he came back from his leave
That is why I was suspicious. Not replying and then not saying initially that I don't meet the entry.
That is why I was suspicious. Not replying and then not saying initially that I don't meet the entry.
I think we've covered in the previous threads that it's not unusual at all for academics to be unresponsive.
You've mentioned being suspicious before. I don't really know what that is grounded in. What does the uni have to gain in wasting their own time?
Original post by Admit-One
I think we've covered in the previous threads that it's not unusual at all for academics to be unresponsive.
You've mentioned being suspicious before. I don't really know what that is grounded in. What does the uni have to gain in wasting their own time?
You've mentioned being suspicious before. I don't really know what that is grounded in. What does the uni have to gain in wasting their own time?
But why would 2nd supervisor reply then? He is listed as a selector so I sent him my proposal that was approved by 1st supervisor for his feedback as well. But he never replied and despite the proposal being sent for assessment, they never got back with a decision ?
Original post by BlueEyesHypnotiz
But why would 2nd supervisor reply then? He is listed as a selector so I sent him my proposal that was approved by 1st supervisor for his feedback as well. But he never replied and despite the proposal being sent for assessment, they never got back with a decision ?
Original post by admit-one
Either busy or liaising in person with the other supervisor because it was more in their wheelhouse. Maybe they spotted your 2:2 and had concern over that so didn’t want to go down the rabbit hole of your proposal if your application wasn’t going to get by central admissions, or the likelihood of an exception being made low.
The admissions team already approved my application even though I had a 2.2. It says that they automatically flag applications that don't meet entry requirements as unsuitable for entry- academic team will review in their application process email but they didn't do that with me. They sent it to the academic team for review
And they were the ones who asked me to change. I changed my proposal and my supervisor literally said she was looking forward to working with me. They also said they will probably accept changed proposal and i have a spot at the uni too
(edited 5 months ago)
Original post by BlueEyesHypnotiz
The admissions team already approved my application even though I had a 2.2. It says that they automatically flag applications that don't meet entry requirements as unsuitable for entry- academic team will review in their application process email but they didn't do that with me. They sent it to the academic team for review
And they were the ones who asked me to change. I changed my proposal and my supervisor literally said she was looking forward to working with me. They also said they will probably accept changed proposal and i have a spot at the uni too
And they were the ones who asked me to change. I changed my proposal and my supervisor literally said she was looking forward to working with me. They also said they will probably accept changed proposal and i have a spot at the uni too
Given how positive you say they were, what do you think happened?
You say you are suspicious. Suspicious of what? Suspicious of then changing their mind? Suspicious of them being disorganised? Suspicious of the co-sponsor black-balling your application for reasons unknown?
Original post by DataVenia
Given how positive you say they were, what do you think happened?
You say you are suspicious. Suspicious of what? Suspicious of then changing their mind? Suspicious of them being disorganised? Suspicious of the co-sponsor black-balling your application for reasons unknown?
You say you are suspicious. Suspicious of what? Suspicious of then changing their mind? Suspicious of them being disorganised? Suspicious of the co-sponsor black-balling your application for reasons unknown?
Suspicious that they never intended to take me ☹️
Original post by BlueEyesHypnotiz
The admissions team already approved my application even though I had a 2.2. It says that they automatically flag applications that don't meet entry requirements as unsuitable for entry- academic team will review in their application process email but they didn't do that with me. They sent it to the academic team for review
And they were the ones who asked me to change. I changed my proposal and my supervisor literally said she was looking forward to working with me. They also said they will probably accept changed proposal and i have a spot at the uni too
And they were the ones who asked me to change. I changed my proposal and my supervisor literally said she was looking forward to working with me. They also said they will probably accept changed proposal and i have a spot at the uni too
Having your proposal accepted and being made an offer of study are distinct processes. Having the first okayed has nothing to do with the latter.
Your application being flagged for grades doesn’t really mean anything by itself. It’d nearly always go to an academic to review first and then the admin of an exception being made happens later.
When you say admissions approved your app, so you just mean it was forwarded on to the academic dept/supervisor? That stage may only have checked that you submitted a complete application.
Original post by Admit-One
Having your proposal accepted and being made an offer of study are distinct processes. Having the first okayed has nothing to do with the latter.
Your application being flagged for grades doesn’t really mean anything by itself. It’d nearly always go to an academic to review first and then the admin of an exception being made happens later.
When you say admissions approved your app, so you just mean it was forwarded on to the academic dept/supervisor? That stage may only have checked that you submitted a complete application.
Your application being flagged for grades doesn’t really mean anything by itself. It’d nearly always go to an academic to review first and then the admin of an exception being made happens later.
When you say admissions approved your app, so you just mean it was forwarded on to the academic dept/supervisor? That stage may only have checked that you submitted a complete application.
As per my understanding of how my co supervisor explained, my application was rejected due to the proposal as they felt it was too broad and needed some changes. He said I can resubmit and then I received an email from doctoral college that I have condition on decision that my application will he reconsidered if I change my proposal.
The selection team listed were my supervisors.
I changed it- sent it to my first supervisor. She checked it and suggested some minor changes that I incorporated and she approved it. I then sent the proposal to doctoral college who forwarded it to academic team.
I sent this proposal to my 2nd supervisor but he never replied. And I never received any decision despite being told I will receive it in next week or so
But you said "Just updating how I was deceived into receiving a decision" and you were rejected, then edited the post to say you haven't received a decision; which is it?
If a decision is due in the 'next week or so' then you wait it out and contact the uni if you don't hear anything inthat time.
If a decision is due in the 'next week or so' then you wait it out and contact the uni if you don't hear anything inthat time.
Original post by Surnia
But you said "Just updating how I was deceived into receiving a decision" and you were rejected, then edited the post to say you haven't received a decision; which is it?
If a decision is due in the 'next week or so' then you wait it out and contact the uni if you don't hear anything inthat time.
If a decision is due in the 'next week or so' then you wait it out and contact the uni if you don't hear anything inthat time.
They said this week or so. This week has passed and nothing came. So how long should I wait? Also do you think I have been rejected?
Very frustrating that I wrote all of the above on the assumption that you had been formally rejected. What a complete waste of my time.
There are often no set timescales for research applications. They're complete at the whim and availability of the academics involved, and that is before the processing and issuing of a decision by any central team that is involved.
Just wait.
There are often no set timescales for research applications. They're complete at the whim and availability of the academics involved, and that is before the processing and issuing of a decision by any central team that is involved.
Just wait.
Original post by Admit-One
Very frustrating that I wrote all of the above on the assumption that you had been formally rejected. What a complete waste of my time.
There are often no set timescales for research applications. They're complete at the whim and availability of the academics involved, and that is before the processing and issuing of a decision by any central team that is involved.
Just wait.
There are often no set timescales for research applications. They're complete at the whim and availability of the academics involved, and that is before the processing and issuing of a decision by any central team that is involved.
Just wait.
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