Rebecca Joynes: Teacher guilty of sex with two boys
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Original post by Trinculo
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rebecca-joynes-teacher-pupils-sex-court-verdict-b2546124.html
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
Do you feel better? Having written this post?
Original post by picnicl
I don't understand your last sentence. Statutory rape is definitely a concept that exists in the laws of the United Kingdom
The term statutory rape is used in the USA to describe offences committed by a person who has sex with a person below the age of sexual consent. UK law does not operate in the same way.
In the UK, rape was a common law offence, but it is now an offence defined by the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Absence of consent or reasonable belief in consent are ingredients of the offence of rape (section 1 of the 2003 Act), unless the alleged victim was under thirteen years old at the time of the alleged offence (section 5).
In the Joynes case, no offence of rape was committed, because (1) a woman cannot commit rape, and (2) in any event, there was in fact consent. The sex was still unlawful because of section 9 of the 2003 Act.
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Original post by SHallowvale
The convseration has moved on from just Joynes' case.
The law can define rape however it wants, there's no reason why it cannot define rape as unconsentual sex regardless of the sex of the victim. Why is the current definition, which separates "rape" from "sexual assault", sensible? Is one worse than the other? If so, why?
The law can define rape however it wants, there's no reason why it cannot define rape as unconsentual sex regardless of the sex of the victim. Why is the current definition, which separates "rape" from "sexual assault", sensible? Is one worse than the other? If so, why?
The legal position is explained by the physical reality that a man can force a woman to have sex, but it is next to impossible for a woman to force a man to have sex. Rape is one of the means by which men have subordinated women since, it appears, the beginning of the human race. Rape is used as a weapon of warfare, as an instrument of torture, and as an expression of male power over women. To class what Joynes did as equivalent to rape is historically and sociologically tin-eared.
Original post by Stiffy Byng
The legal position is explained by the physical reality that a man can force a woman to have sex, but it is next to impossible for a woman to force a man to have sex. Rape is one of the means by which men have subordinated women since, it appears, the beginning of the human race. Rape is used as a weapon of warfare, as an instrument of torture, and as an expression of male power over women. To class what Joynes did as equivalent to rape is historically and sociologically tin-eared.
Woman can force men to have sex with them. They can do it through physical force, alcohol or drugs. The law should recognise those cases as rape if consent is not involved.
Original post by Trinculo
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rebecca-joynes-teacher-pupils-sex-court-verdict-b2546124.html
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
Original post by londonmyst
Do you view The Independent as a more reliable or trustworthy source of impartial news information than the BBC?
Equally unreliable, but at least the Independent is an openly partisan organisation, not funded by the licence fee, and has not to my knowledge been up to its neck in filth and criminality of the worst kind.
Original post by SHallowvale
Do you feel better? Having written this post?
Yes. I'd also like to point out that the BBC has no business reporting on sexual abuse of young people, given their shameful track record.
Original post by Trinculo
Yes. I'd also like to point out that the BBC has no business reporting on sexual abuse of young people, given their shameful track record.
Would hate to see myself ever get to the state of feeling happier from writing an angry post about a news organisation. Do you want to talk about it, either in this thread, another thread or privately?
Is there anything incorrect about the BBCs articles about this case?
Original post by Trinculo
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rebecca-joynes-teacher-pupils-sex-court-verdict-b2546124.html
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
Another link so that there is an alternative to the BBC, which is neither a trustworthy nor reliable information source (not that the Independent is much better - but it's not the BBC)
I appreciate that the BBC lives in your head rent free and you enjoy impotently raging against it, but the BBC has no relevance to this particular story.
It's things like this that make me think this woman will not see jail.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
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Original post by Guru Jason
It's things like this that make me think this woman will not see jail.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
In the Joynes case she has been given sentencing.
Original post by Guru Jason
It's things like this that make me think this woman will not see jail.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
I dunno about that one, it's an unusual case to be given a suspended sentence for, but they might have to take into account she was struck first and that a shove in response could be considered reasonable use of force, tragic outcome aside.
Original post by Talkative Toad
In the Joynes case she has been given sentencing.
She's been found guilty. Her actual sentencing isn't till July.
Original post by StriderHort
I dunno about that one, it's an unusual case to be given a suspended sentence for, but they might have to take into account she was struck first and that a shove in response could be considered reasonable use of force, tragic outcome aside.
I feel anyone who is found guilty of rape, sexual assault, manslaughter worse should be having to serve their sentences, not getting them suspended or let off with community work in one way or another.
This is why I don't have hope that if anything, Joynes will bot be in jail for any longer than a few months.
Original post by StriderHort
She's been found guilty. Her actual sentencing isn't till July.
Yeah but she’ll be sentenced at some point. Without being nitpicky that’s what I mean when I say given, it’s confirmed that she’ll be sentenced as opposed to her being let off of the hook.
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Original post by Talkative Toad
Yeah but she’ll be sentenced at some point. Without being nitpicky that’s what I mean when I say given, it’s confirmed that she’ll be sentenced as opposed to her being let off of the hook.
I would consider anything other than a lengthy jail sentence a let off especially if suspended.
Original post by Guru Jason
I would consider anything other than a lengthy jail sentence a let off especially if suspended.
The point is that this woman will see jail unlike what’s you said in reply 69.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rebecca-joynes-teacher-sex-court-guilty-b2546277.html
Original post by Guru Jason
I feel anyone who is found guilty of rape, sexual assault, manslaughter worse should be having to serve their sentences, not getting them suspended or let off with community work in one way or another.
This is why I don't have hope that if anything, Joynes will bot be in jail for any longer than a few months.
This is why I don't have hope that if anything, Joynes will bot be in jail for any longer than a few months.
I feel were blurring the line between 'a' sentence and a prison sentence. She IS going to serve the sentence she got.
I'm not saying I fully agree with the sentence but the fact it was self defence and a single shove obv not intended to kill HAS to be taken into account.
Original post by Guru Jason
It's things like this that make me think this woman will not see jail.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22nrd061ro.amp
She literally killed someone as was given a suspended sentence. What a joke.
If we are not going to jail people responsible for the deaths of others, why would we do it for sex offenders. The mind boggles.
Completely different in terms of multiple criminal charges, the duty of care owed by adult teacher to student under 18, multiple victims, premeditation & intent, crimes committed on bail and the time scale of offending.
The sex offender teacher's crimes involved more than one of her minor pupils, further offences whilst on police bail and occurred over a time period in excess of 20 months.
There were multiple breaches of the bail conditions preventing her from any unsupervised contact with under 18s which ultimately resulted in her pregnancy.
After she is sentenced, Ms Joynes will be sleeping in a cell and tasting prison food.
As have several other sex offender uk teachers, both female and male.
One sex offender teacher working at a West Sussex school received an imprisonment sentence of 5 year 4 months and indefinite sex offender registration.
Fatinah Hossain had groomed and had sex with a 14 year old male student over the course of several months.
After she was charged Ms Hossain offered to pay the boy to get him to drop the charges and then launched a harassment campaign against him & members of his family.
After she is released from prison she will be subject to a Sexual Harm Prevention Order for 10 years.
Erin Hebblewhite worked as a PE teacher in East London and was sentenced to a 2 year imprisonment sentence in November 2021.
Ms Hebblewhite had pleaded guilty to a total of seven criminal charges in relation to unlawful sexual activity with a 16 year old female pupil.
Charges included abusing her position of trust, sexual activity with a child and making indecent photographs of a child.
She was also subject to a Sexual Harm Prevention Order, a 10 year Restraining Order and has been banned from teaching for life.
Original post by Guru Jason
I feel anyone who is found guilty of rape, sexual assault, manslaughter worse should be having to serve their sentences, not getting them suspended or let off with community work in one way or another.
This is why I don't have hope that if anything, Joynes will bot be in jail for any longer than a few months.
This is why I don't have hope that if anything, Joynes will bot be in jail for any longer than a few months.
Hopefully not for giving boys a real education.
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