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Schools told not to teach about gender identity

Schools in England should not teach about gender identity, according to new draft guidance from the government.

Government sources told BBC News about plans to ban sex education for under-nines, as well as teaching about gender identity, on Wednesday.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the new guidance would ensure children were not "exposed to disturbing content".

Some teachers have said there is no evidence of a widespread problem.

Under the plans, secondary-school pupils will learn about protected characteristics, such as sexual orientation and gender reassignment.

But the updated guidance makes clear schools "should not teach about the concept of gender identity", the government says.

It said it was right to take a "cautious approach", adding teaching materials that "present contested views as fact - including the view that gender is a spectrum" should be avoided.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-69017920.amp

There’s bigger issues in the country, that’s all I have to say. Yeah I don’t agree with the belief that gender is a spectrum and that kind of stuff but when there’s things like the cost of living crisis, public services and HE institutions having their funding cut, big issues with the NHS (at least in England) etc, then I’m not sure if the government focusing on issues like this when there are (more) serious issues to worry about and address in the country is a good thing.

The Tories will be out soon anyway I hope and I hope that Labour actually focuses on pressing matters like the other ones that I’ve listed above.

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The Tories and labour councillors are trying to push the SNP to follow the same thing as the Weston government is on this matter.

If they are going to ban teaching the kids this then perhaps do it at primary school level but start it for when the kids are months away from going to secondary school and all secondary school children should be allowed to discuss it.
It might be difficult to stop this as information is widely available online.

I think labour is going to follow it through if they win the general election.
Original post by Tracey_W
The Tories and labour councillors are trying to push the SNP to follow the same thing as the Weston government is on this matter.

If they are going to ban teaching the kids this then perhaps do it at primary school level but start it for when the kids are months away from going to secondary school and all secondary school children should be allowed to discuss it.
It might be difficult to stop this as information is widely available online.

I think labour is going to follow it through if they win the general election.

I’m not sure about Labour following though with it, I could maybe see them saying, we’ll put an end to the some of identity politics (this issue for example) and populist politics and focus on real issues first (cost of living and funding public services).

At least that’s what I hoping Labour will do rather than obsessing about politics surrounding race, gender and disability like the current government seems to be doing in my opinion.
Original post by Talkative Toad
I’m not sure about Labour following though with it, I could maybe see them saying, we’ll put an end to the some of identity politics (this issue for example) and populist politics and focus on real issues first (cost of living and funding public services).
At least that’s what I hoping Labour will do rather than obsessing about politics surrounding race, gender and disability like the current government seems to be doing in my opinion.

I think we'll all need to wait and see what happened when whoever gets into Westminster after the election to see what they are doing with this......
We certainly need to sort out the mess that the country is in first and foremost before worrying about things like identity etc for children.
Original post by Tracey_W
I think we'll all need to wait and see what happened when whoever gets into Westminster after the election to see what they are doing with this......
We certainly need to sort out the mess that the country is in first and foremost before worrying about things like identity etc for children.


Yes I agree, this kind of policy (trying to teach or not teach (primary) school students about gender identity) shouldn’t be on the forefront of the government‘s mind in my opinion.
Original post by Talkative Toad
Yes I agree, this kind of policy (trying to teach or not teach (primary) school students about gender identity) shouldn’t be on the forefront of the government‘s mind in my opinion.
Yes I don't think it is priority for children this policy, maybe they should discuss it in a year or two before implementing it. I know that Scotland is watching the UK Westminster government with this matter before deciding what they are doing.
Original post by Tracey_W
Yes I don't think it is priority for children this policy, maybe they should discuss it in a year or two before implementing it. I know that Scotland is watching the UK Westminster government with this matter before deciding what they are doing.


Yeah there’s bigger issues surrounding kids in school right now and people in general.
Original post by Talkative Toad
Yeah there’s bigger issues surrounding kids in school right now and people in general.
Exactly.

Think the whole issue is down to children wanting to change from male to female and vice versa and other identity issues as well that is causing the problem with people.
I think it should be left to the individual schools on what they are teaching but within good reason like.

There's been a big issue for years regarding kids in schools and A. Lot of this comes down to removing of the Disciplinary part - you wouldn't have kids out of control if that was still in place ?? Then obviously the kids discipline at home with how parents do their own things.
Original post by Tracey_W
Exactly.

Think the whole issue is down to children wanting to change from male to female and vice versa and other identity issues as well that is causing the problem with people.
I think it should be left to the individual schools on what they are teaching but within good reason like.

There's been a big issue for years regarding kids in schools and A. Lot of this comes down to removing of the Disciplinary part - you wouldn't have kids out of control if that was still in place ?? Then obviously the kids discipline at home with how parents do their own things.

Yes or even if you don't leave it to schools, don't try to focus on the issue now when (in my opinion) there's far bigger issues for schoolkids and the country right now.
Original post by Talkative Toad
Yes or even if you don't leave it to schools, don't try to focus on the issue now when (in my opinion) there's far bigger issues for schoolkids and the country right now.
I think the Tories are experiencing a moral panic and don't really know how to address the issue, so are just trying to suppress the topic (and ironically at the same time generating news stories about it!). The whole thing is massively overblown; given the sheer number of stories along this same line over the last few months it's clear the government is overreacting.
Original post by CatusStarbright
I think the Tories are experiencing a moral panic and don't really know how to address the issue, so are just trying to suppress the topic (and ironically at the same time generating news stories about it!). The whole thing is massively overblown; given the sheer number of stories along this same line over the last few months it's clear the government is overreacting.


Yes this feels like American politics (the obsession with race, gender, women’s rights when it comes to certain topics etc) rather than focusing on actual issues. I.e using these topics to divert from issues such as the cost of living, funding in education, issues in the job market etc.
Original post by Talkative Toad
Yes this feels like American politics (the obsession with race, gender, women’s rights when it comes to certain topics etc) rather than focusing on actual issues. I.e using these topics to divert from issues such as the cost of living, funding in education, issues in the job market etc.

These are important issues, but I feel the government would be better off taking a more considered approach than it is at present (seemingly just reacting to... who knows what exactly).
Original post by CatusStarbright
These are important issues, but I feel the government would be better off taking a more considered approach than it is at present (seemingly just reacting to... who knows what exactly).

I personally fully don’t agree in that I think we need to focus on other things (as in things that population have said that they care about a lot such as funding MH services, cost of living crisis, funding education, job security, funding the NHS, tackling crime etc). I think that’s more important that the government trying to worry about whether kids should be taught gender identity or not in schools, the Rwanda Scheme, cutting benefits and just other issues they they seem to care a lot about in general. It just reminds me of some of the politics or political discussion I see in the media/online in places like the USA/Canada which I’m not a fan of.

I think these types of issues are blown out of proportion by the government as a means to distract from other issues. They’re making this a bigger deal and issue than it needs to be in my opinion. I don’t think that stopping the teaching of gender identity in schools for some age groups is a big priority right now (whether I agree or disagree with this is a separate matter) given all of the other issues in this country right now.

Maybe I’m just being negative though.
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Original post by Talkative Toad
Schools in England should not teach about gender identity, according to new draft guidance from the government.
Government sources told BBC News about plans to ban sex education for under-nines, as well as teaching about gender identity, on Wednesday.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the new guidance would ensure children were not "exposed to disturbing content".
Some teachers have said there is no evidence of a widespread problem.
Under the plans, secondary-school pupils will learn about protected characteristics, such as sexual orientation and gender reassignment.
But the updated guidance makes clear schools "should not teach about the concept of gender identity", the government says.
It said it was right to take a "cautious approach", adding teaching materials that "present contested views as fact - including the view that gender is a spectrum" should be avoided.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-69017920.amp
There’s bigger issues in the country, that’s all I have to say. Yeah I don’t agree with the belief that gender is a spectrum and that kind of stuff but when there’s things like the cost of living crisis, public services and HE institutions having their funding cut, big issues with the NHS (at least in England) etc, then I’m not sure if the government focusing on issues like this when there are (more) serious issues to worry about and address in the country is a good thing.
The Tories will be out soon anyway I hope and I hope that Labour actually focuses on pressing matters like the other ones that I’ve listed above.

I think the cat is out of the bag. The government can only try to ignore the issue for so long. Of the 100 or so students I teach at present, around four present as non-binary or trans. The government is effectively attempting to suggest these students do not exist.
Reply 14
Original post by Talkative Toad
Schools in England should not teach about gender identity, according to new draft guidance from the government.
Government sources told BBC News about plans to ban sex education for under-nines, as well as teaching about gender identity, on Wednesday.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the new guidance would ensure children were not "exposed to disturbing content".
Some teachers have said there is no evidence of a widespread problem.
Under the plans, secondary-school pupils will learn about protected characteristics, such as sexual orientation and gender reassignment.
But the updated guidance makes clear schools "should not teach about the concept of gender identity", the government says.
It said it was right to take a "cautious approach", adding teaching materials that "present contested views as fact - including the view that gender is a spectrum" should be avoided.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-69017920.amp
There’s bigger issues in the country, that’s all I have to say. Yeah I don’t agree with the belief that gender is a spectrum and that kind of stuff but when there’s things like the cost of living crisis, public services and HE institutions having their funding cut, big issues with the NHS (at least in England) etc, then I’m not sure if the government focusing on issues like this when there are (more) serious issues to worry about and address in the country is a good thing.
The Tories will be out soon anyway I hope and I hope that Labour actually focuses on pressing matters like the other ones that I’ve listed above.

This is the ultimate piece of Tory gaslighting. Schools don't teach about trans issues at present.so banning this is just a political point. What schools do teach is that a consensual relationship between any two people is perfectly acceptable.
Good.

Those students who are interested in gender studies or related subjects like gender identities in media and culture can do so at uni.
Ideally for 1-3 years as part of detailed academic studies where they will be paying a 4-5 figure sums in tuition fees.
In exchange for valuable opportunities of being taught by specialist academics and other professionals who have extensive experience in teaching others to explore a range of concepts involved within the fields of social & personal gender identity.

The roles of schools should be restricted to teaching the mandatory academic subjects, physical education & sports, music, how to read/write/use computers/pass exams, about the law of the nation and types of legal relationships in pshe classes or the equivalent.
Original post by londonmyst
Good.
Those students who are interested in gender studies or related subjects like gender identities in media and culture can do so at uni.
Ideally for 1-3 years as part of detailed academic studies where they will be paying a 4-5 figure sums in tuition fees.
In exchange for valuable opportunities of being taught by specialist academics and other professionals who have extensive experience in teaching others to explore a range of concepts involved within the fields of social & personal gender identity.
The roles of schools should be restricted to teaching the mandatory academic subjects, physical education & sports, music, how to read/write/use computers/pass exams, about the law of the nation and types of legal relationships in pshe classes or the equivalent.

"The roles of schools should be restricted to teaching...about the law of the nation and types of legal relationships in pshe classes or the equivalent."

That includes gender identity, which is part of the law through equality legislation, gender recognition certificates, etc.
Original post by SHallowvale
"The roles of schools should be restricted to teaching...about the law of the nation and types of legal relationships in pshe classes or the equivalent."
That includes gender identity, which is part of the law through equality legislation, gender recognition certificates, etc.
That goes way beyond the remit of GCSE and A level Law classes.

Most English & Welsh's schools pshe classes draw their line at teaching about sexual consent and legality at things like: sexting with explicit imagery under 18=child porn, stealthing is rape, what revenge porn is, married couples & civil partners can be same sex or opposite sex, minimum age of legal consent for minor teenagers is 16 and if any adults are involved with 16-17 year olds what the specific illegal adult examples are.
Original post by londonmyst
That goes way beyond the remit of GCSE and A level Law classes.
Most English & Welsh's schools pshe classes draw their line at teaching about sexual consent and legality at things like: sexting with explicit imagery under 18=child porn, stealthing is rape, what revenge porn is, married couples & civil partners can be same sex or opposite sex, minimum age of legal consent for minor teenagers is 16 and if any adults are involved with 16-17 year olds what the specific illegal adult examples are.

I don't know about you, but I was taught about the Equality Act in PSHE and Citizenship. That included learning about protected classes, including gender identity.
Original post by SHallowvale
I don't know about you, but I was taught about the Equality Act in PSHE and Citizenship. That included learning about protected classes, including gender identity.
My school's pshe classes didn't cover the EA.
Nor did law classes for gcse or a level.
I didn't have citizenship classes.

Did your school or college ever mention a specific number of potential gender identities or minimum numerical range for gender studies teaching purposes?
At uni pre-pandemic, all the gender studies lecturers I encountered taught that there were around 64 potential self id gender identities.
With 60 to be considered the minimum level that their students were expected to be able to discuss in detail.

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