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2024 general election: Labour Party campaign

Welcome to the 2024 UK General Election on TSR taking place on 4th July


This is a thread for the campaign for the Labour Party. After a dreadful showing under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership in 2019, Labour are seeking to win a majority and re-enter government under Keir Starmer this time around.

See the Labour manifesto HERE

We expect Labour's campaign to be fairly cautious: Keir Starmer tends to be an abundantly cautious politician and Labour have a large polling lead that they will not want to let slip. It would therefore be no surprise if plenty of people find Labour's campaign to be pretty boring!

Campaign threads:
Conservative
Labour
Lib Dem
Reform UK
Green
SNP
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Labour may give 16- and 17-year-olds right to vote, says Keir Starmer (will probably post this on the main thread as well):

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/25/labour-16-17-year-olds-right-to-vote-keir-starmer
Labour's Rachel Reeves rules out increasing income tax or NI
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69063581

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Original post by Talkative Toad
I don’t mind provided that the taxes are used efficiently.
You’d be happy that Slippery Starmer crushes the tax payer with more taxes. He wants to ruin private schools and raid pensions.
Original post by Wired_1800
You’d be happy that Slippery Starmer crushes the tax payer with more taxes. He wants to ruin private schools and raid pensions.

I abolishing the charitable status from private schools is good thing. I support this if it helps to improve state schools (I don’t support the abolition of private schools as that won’t suddenly make state schools better). I’d also support a crackdown on all tax loopholes.

The Tories hasn’t been using taxpayer money properly so paying more tax under them I oppose (if Labour like the Tories doesn’t bother to use taxpayer money efficiently then I’d also be against high taxes).

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Original post by Talkative Toad
I abolishing the charitable status from private schools is good thing. I support this if it helps to improve state schools (I don’t support the abolition of private schools as that won’t suddenly make state schools better). I’d also support a crackdown on all tax loopholes.
The Tories hasn’t been using taxpayer money properly so paying more tax under them I oppose (if Labour like the Tories doesn’t bother to use taxpayer money efficiently then I’d also be against high taxes).

Abolishing the charitable status will further crush the middle class and hardworking families who are sacrificing everything to send their children to those schools. Slippery Starmer, who apparently benefited from a private school, would penalise them for their sacrifices. Besides many of the schools are attended by children with special needs or bright pupils who need focused support to refine their talents.
Original post by Wired_1800
Abolishing the charitable status will further crush the middle class and hardworking families who are sacrificing everything to send their children to those schools. Slippery Starmer, who apparently benefited from a private school, would penalise them for their sacrifices. Besides many of the schools are attended by children with special needs or bright pupils who need focused support to refine their talents.

That’s why you use the money that comes from abolishing the charitable status on improving state schools…

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Original post by Wired_1800
Abolishing the charitable status will further crush the middle class and hardworking families who are sacrificing everything to send their children to those schools. Slippery Starmer, who apparently benefited from a private school, would penalise them for their sacrifices. Besides many of the schools are attended by children with special needs or bright pupils who need focused support to refine their talents.

Allow me to play the smallest violin for the families spending £30,000+ a year on private school fees. They must be very hard done by!
Original post by SHallowvale
Allow me to play the smallest violin for the families spending £30,000+ a year on private school fees. They must be very hard done by!


Tbf some private schools (many) only cost half this much.

I do feel sorry for parents who have to send their kids to a private school because all the local state schools are abysmal or the child is SEND and the state school system failed them. I’ve heard cases of this happening (or my parent “had” to do it for me in primary school).

But that’s why need to improve state schools, abolish the charitable tax status of private schools and use that money to improve state schools.

Yeah the school system failed me, (state) schools need to be improved.

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Original post by Talkative Toad
That’s why you use the money that comes from abolishing the charitable status on improving state schools…

That wont happen. They will funnel the money to the NHS as it requires more help.

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Original post by SHallowvale
Allow me to play the smallest violin for the families spending £30,000+ a year on private school fees. They must be very hard done by!
Majority of the private schools are not 30k+ types of schools. Most are normal standard schools with standard families working multiple jobs to send little Emily or Jack to those schools.

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Original post by Talkative Toad
Tbf some private schools (many) only cost half this much.
I do feel sorry for parents who have to send their kids to a private school because all the local state schools are abysmal or the child is SEND and the state school system failed them. I’ve heard cases of this happening (or my parent “had” to do it for me in primary school).
But that’s why need to improve state schools, abolish the charitable tax status of private schools and use that money to improve state schools.
Yeah the school system failed me, (state) schools need to be improved.

I struggle to believe that someone capable of paying £15,000, per child, on private school fees would be suddenly unable to pay an extra 20% with VAT added. This also assumes that the cost of VAT will be transferred to the parents (some schools may accept this cost to keep themselves competitive).

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Original post by Wired_1800
Majority of the private schools are not 30k+ types of schools. Most are normal standard schools with standard families working multiple jobs to send little Emily or Jack to those schools.

Private schools that charge £30,000 a year per student shouldn't be exempt from tax because other private schools cater more to (relatively) poorer families.

The average cost of private school education, for a year, is £15,000. If you're able to splash out that much money then you aren't doing badly.

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Original post by SHallowvale
Private schools that charge £30,000 a year per student shouldn't be exempt from tax because other private schools cater more to (relatively) poorer families.
The average cost of private school education, for a year, is £15,000. If you're able to splash out that much money then you aren't doing badly.

Many of those schools have bursaries that support poor students.

It is not splashing out when some people are putting everything on the line to send their children to school. It is not illegal for young people to get an education.

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Original post by Wired_1800
Many of those schools have bursaries that support poor students.
It is not splashing out when some people are putting everything on the line to send their children to school. It is not illegal for young people to get an education.

The vast majority of private school students pay the full fees. The average fee, £15,000, is over 50% of the median UK salary (after tax). If you can afford that then you can afford VAT.

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Original post by SHallowvale
Allow me to play the smallest violin for the families spending £30,000+ a year on private school fees. They must be very hard done by!


I don’t think you get it. I used to go to a private school (I then became homeschooled) and it was around 28k. Most people there had a combined household income of maximum 150-200k, and the only people making BANK (by that I mean millions) were the rich international boarding school kids. 150-200k might seem like a lot (and is if we take into consideration the national average) but with tax, a mortgage and car payments it really is a struggle.

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Original post by ontologicalpotat
I don’t think you get it. I used to go to a private school (I then became homeschooled) and it was around 28k. Most people there had a combined household income of maximum 150-200k, and the only people making BANK (by that I mean millions) were the rich international boarding school kids. 150-200k might seem like a lot (and is if we take into consideration the national average) but with tax, a mortgage and car payments it really is a struggle.

"combined household income of maximum 150-200k..."

"...it really is a struggle."

Sure. 😂 If you're making 150k+ a year, you can afford VAT. Especially if you can pay out nearly £30k to send your child to private school. Parents who consider themselves struggling under those circumstances are completely out of touch with the rest of the country.
Original post by SHallowvale
I struggle to believe that someone capable of paying £15,000, per child, on private school fees would be suddenly unable to pay an extra 20% with VAT added. This also assumes that the cost of VAT will be transferred to the parents (some schools may accept this cost to keep themselves competitive).


Some parents use their savings or have to make huge sacrifices in order to send their child to a private school so I can see how some parents might no longer be able to afford sending their child to a private school if the charitable status is abolished, that being said I still support it being abolished regardless.
Original post by Wired_1800
That wont happen. They will funnel the money to the NHS as it requires more help.

Then that’s good as well but I’d prefer to have that money go into improving state schools.

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Original post by SHallowvale
The vast majority of private school students pay the full fees. The average fee, £15,000, is over 50% of the median UK salary (after tax). If you can afford that then you can afford VAT.

That’s for 1 child. Most families have 2 children. If both attend public school, that would be an average of £6000 extra per year. Over 5 years, that’s £30,000 which can destroy household finances. No holidays, no breakfast, no money for food etc.

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