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Re-applying to Cambridge (Maths)

Hello, this year following my rejection from Trinity Hall following interview, I have been considering re-applying for a while now, and I wanted to ask some questions regarding re-application.

I am a touch worried that I might get an A in physics opposed to my predicted A*, if I did apply with A*A*A, would that be harmful to my application as most people apply with A*A*A*, or would it just mean I have to do really well in STEP (I know the A*A*A typical offer being 1+1 in STEP 2+3, but I mean more terms in appeal of my application)

How much can I draw from my personal statement from this year? I am pretty happy with it but of course in a year from now it won't exactly be up to date. I know I need to add more to it, and I have a few ideas, but I particularly wanted to ask about the reference. To my knowledge, my reference will have to be redone entirely, however given that I would already have my grades, how would this be done?

If I applied to Trin. Hall again, would it impact my chances? Or would it be best to apply elsewhere? And would the simple fact I am applying after a year off make a major impact in my application?

And lastly, I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions about what I could do if I do take this year off to re-apply to make my applications as competitive as I can, any advice is appreciated :smile:
Original post by MathsEnjoyer
Hello, this year following my rejection from Trinity Hall following interview, I have been considering re-applying for a while now, and I wanted to ask some questions regarding re-application.
I am a touch worried that I might get an A in physics opposed to my predicted A*, if I did apply with A*A*A, would that be harmful to my application as most people apply with A*A*A*, or would it just mean I have to do really well in STEP (I know the A*A*A typical offer being 1+1 in STEP 2+3, but I mean more terms in appeal of my application)
How much can I draw from my personal statement from this year? I am pretty happy with it but of course in a year from now it won't exactly be up to date. I know I need to add more to it, and I have a few ideas, but I particularly wanted to ask about the reference. To my knowledge, my reference will have to be redone entirely, however given that I would already have my grades, how would this be done?
If I applied to Trin. Hall again, would it impact my chances? Or would it be best to apply elsewhere? And would the simple fact I am applying after a year off make a major impact in my application?
And lastly, I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions about what I could do if I do take this year off to re-apply to make my applications as competitive as I can, any advice is appreciated :smile:

Going through each point
> I can't comment on the A in Physics. I have no idea but note that you do still satisfy the entry requirements
> Regarding STEP, it's possible they will give you a higher entry requirement. I was a post-qual applicant and my offer was an S,1 offer (S could have been in either paper). I missed this offer but I got two high 1s and was accepted but I don't know how lenient they are generally or how often they give higher offers to post-qual applicants.
> Plagiarism-wise, you need not worry about using things from your previous statement. Note this used to be an issue so some older guidance may advise against it. You may end up changing it quite a bit based on new things you do this year, which may be a lot. I'd advise essentially planning it from scratch taking into account everything you've done, though you can use the same structures and that as before without issue.
> The general advice is to apply to a different college. This gives you a 'clean slate'. It's quite possible that the admissions office may not remember you but if they do they may subconsciously consider your previous application.
> Applying post-qual shouldn't disadvantage you too much but they may expect more of a candidate who's had an extra year to improve and prepare, which is reasonable. This is often why they give higher offers et cetera.
> I'd advise just doing loads of Maths work. I wasn't even intending to apply post-qual but it helped a lot that I had done extra Maths classes, challenges etc throughout my Year 13.
Reply 2
Original post by MathsEnjoyer
Hello, this year following my rejection from Trinity Hall following interview, I have been considering re-applying for a while now, and I wanted to ask some questions regarding re-application.
I am a touch worried that I might get an A in physics opposed to my predicted A*, if I did apply with A*A*A, would that be harmful to my application as most people apply with A*A*A*, or would it just mean I have to do really well in STEP (I know the A*A*A typical offer being 1+1 in STEP 2+3, but I mean more terms in appeal of my application)
How much can I draw from my personal statement from this year? I am pretty happy with it but of course in a year from now it won't exactly be up to date. I know I need to add more to it, and I have a few ideas, but I particularly wanted to ask about the reference. To my knowledge, my reference will have to be redone entirely, however given that I would already have my grades, how would this be done?
If I applied to Trin. Hall again, would it impact my chances? Or would it be best to apply elsewhere? And would the simple fact I am applying after a year off make a major impact in my application?
And lastly, I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions about what I could do if I do take this year off to re-apply to make my applications as competitive as I can, any advice is appreciated :smile:

Don't apply to Trinity again and I'd consider applying to Oxford ...
Original post by Muttley79
Don't apply to Trinity again and I'd consider applying to Oxford ...

Trinity Hall isn't Trinity. They are different colleges entirely.

Also, why Oxford?
Reply 4
Original post by melancollege
Trinity Hall isn't Trinity. They are different colleges entirely.
Also, why Oxford?

Still not sensible to appy to the same college is it? My comment stands why did you assume I didn't know that?!!!.

Oxford gives more certainty in the application. Will need to get high STEP grades but Oxford will give unconditional with the right achieved grades - much nicer teaching facilities too.
Original post by Muttley79
Still not sensible to appy to the same college is it? My comment stands why did you assume I didn't know that?!!!.
Oxford gives more certainty in the application. Will need to get high STEP grades but Oxford will give unconditional with the right achieved grades - much nicer teaching facilities too.

I agree with you in that it's generally advised against to apply to the same college, see where I said: "The general advice is to apply to a different college. This gives you a 'clean slate'. It's quite possible that the admissions office may not remember you but if they do they may subconsciously consider your previous application."

"My comment stands why did you assume I didn't know that?!!!": The post very clearly says Trinity Hall and you responded with "Don't apply to Trinity again". Given the similarities of their names, I thought it was reasonable that not everyone knew they were different, especially those not particularly familiar with Cambridge - not to say that's you. Even within Cambridge, I've met a few people well into their first year that didn't know that Clare Hall was separate to Clare College.

In regards to Oxford, I would argue that it's not necessarily the case that "Oxford gives more certainty in the application". For someone who is confident with STEP but less so with other parts of the application, Cambridge can be much more approachable. This is especially the case for people such as myself who didn't have access to many MAT resources but was offered a lot of help for STEP from Cambridge and AMSP. I will admit that this is not a particularly common mindset but the opposite is not as universal as you seem to assume. Regardless, the OP never mentioned Oxford and may prefer Cambridge for other reasons beyond just admission.
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Original post by melancollege
I agree with you in that it's generally advised against to apply to the same college, see where I said: "The general advice is to apply to a different college. This gives you a 'clean slate'. It's quite possible that the admissions office may not remember you but if they do they may subconsciously consider your previous application."
"My comment stands why did you assume I didn't know that?!!!": The post very clearly says Trinity Hall and you responded with "Don't apply to Trinity again". Given the similarities of their names, I thought it was reasonable that not everyone knew they were different, especially those not particularly familiar with Cambridge - not to say that's you. Even within Cambridge, I've met a few people well into their first year that didn't know that Clare Hall was separate to Clare College.
In regards to Oxford, I would argue that it's not necessarily the case that "Oxford gives more certainty in the application". For someone who is confident with STEP but less so with other parts of the application, Cambridge can be much more approachable. This is especially the case for people such as myself who didn't have access to many MAT resources but was offered a lot of help for STEP from Cambridge and AMSP. I will admit that this is not a particularly common mindset but the opposite is not as universal as you seem to assume. Regardless, the OP never mentioned Oxford and may prefer Cambridge for other reasons beyond just admission.

There are far more MAT resources out there than for STEP ... getting an S for STEP is not easy.
Original post by Muttley79
There are far more MAT resources out there than for STEP ... getting an S for STEP is not easy.

In terms of past papers, there are significantly more past paper questions for STEP, owing to how long it has been running and how many questions there are per year of papers. I was also offered a lot of STEP support from Cambridge after my application, including a weekly webinar for all UK state school students. When I applied I definitely had a lot more help with STEP than I could find with the MAT. This is why I said I "didn't have access to many MAT resources but was offered a lot of help for STEP from Cambridge and AMSP". There may well be many MAT resources now - and maybe back then too, but I couldn't access them.

Also, I never said that getting an S in STEP was easy. In my original post I said that "my offer was an S,1 offer [...] I missed this offer but I got two high 1s and was accepted". I would be hard-pressed to justify saying that getting an S in STEP is easy when I didn't get one.
Reply 8
Original post by melancollege
In terms of past papers, there are significantly more past paper questions for STEP, owing to how long it has been running and how many questions there are per year of papers. I was also offered a lot of STEP support from Cambridge after my application, including a weekly webinar for all UK state school students. When I applied I definitely had a lot more help with STEP than I could find with the MAT. This is why I said I "didn't have access to many MAT resources but was offered a lot of help for STEP from Cambridge and AMSP". There may well be many MAT resources now - and maybe back then too, but I couldn't access them.
Also, I never said that getting an S in STEP was easy. In my original post I said that "my offer was an S,1 offer [...] I missed this offer but I got two high 1s and was accepted". I would be hard-pressed to justify saying that getting an S in STEP is easy when I didn't get one.

50% miss their STEP offers so it is a risk.

OK that's your experience - many schools can help with MAT/STEP and AMSP hasnt been around for that long. People managed without that support.
Original post by Muttley79
50% miss their STEP offers so it is a risk.
OK that's your experience - many schools can help with MAT/STEP and AMSP hasnt been around for that long. People managed without that support.

Yep, I did continually use the first person to reflect that it's my experience, I even said that "this is not a particularly common mindset". I thought it was useful to provide balance so that OP could make their own decisions.

I'd also like to point out that this is in response your suggestion that they should apply to Oxford, which was not mentioned in the original post until you brought it up by stating "Oxford gives more certainty in the application", a subjective opinion that you seem to be treating as objective fact. I gave the example of my own experiences to demonstrate that it may differ depending on OP's circumstances.

You are also still assuming that OP's primary concern in choosing between Oxford and Cambridge is admission. They are different universities in different cities with (slightly) different courses. They may have a preference for Cambridge that goes beyond getting accepted.
Original post by melancollege
Yep, I did continually use the first person to reflect that it's my experience, I even said that "this is not a particularly common mindset". I thought it was useful to provide balance so that OP could make their own decisions.
I'd also like to point out that this is in response your suggestion that they should apply to Oxford, which was not mentioned in the original post until you brought it up by stating "Oxford gives more certainty in the application", a subjective opinion that you seem to be treating as objective fact. I gave the example of my own experiences to demonstrate that it may differ depending on OP's circumstances.
You are also still assuming that OP's primary concern in choosing between Oxford and Cambridge is admission. They are different universities in different cities with (slightly) different courses. They may have a preference for Cambridge that goes beyond getting accepted.

Re-applicants should consider alternatives in my experience of Oxbridge applications over the years.
Did you ask for feedback and do you understand why you were not accepted? It is important to understand the big picture before focussing in on the details. You got all the way to the interview stage last time so you were a good applicant that they were interested in, that is a major positive. Now work on the areas that could be improved. There are lots of people who were unsuccessful first time who are successful second time so it is possible but realistically most people are unsuccessful in their first and subsequent applications so have a plan B. Do not apply to Trinity Hall again. Maybe make an open application, it doesn't really matter which college you go to. Good luck.
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Reply 12
Original post by melancollege
Going through each point
> I can't comment on the A in Physics. I have no idea but note that you do still satisfy the entry requirements
> Regarding STEP, it's possible they will give you a higher entry requirement. I was a post-qual applicant and my offer was an S,1 offer (S could have been in either paper). I missed this offer but I got two high 1s and was accepted but I don't know how lenient they are generally or how often they give higher offers to post-qual applicants.
> Plagiarism-wise, you need not worry about using things from your previous statement. Note this used to be an issue so some older guidance may advise against it. You may end up changing it quite a bit based on new things you do this year, which may be a lot. I'd advise essentially planning it from scratch taking into account everything you've done, though you can use the same structures and that as before without issue.
> The general advice is to apply to a different college. This gives you a 'clean slate'. It's quite possible that the admissions office may not remember you but if they do they may subconsciously consider your previous application.
> Applying post-qual shouldn't disadvantage you too much but they may expect more of a candidate who's had an extra year to improve and prepare, which is reasonable. This is often why they give higher offers et cetera.
> I'd advise just doing loads of Maths work. I wasn't even intending to apply post-qual but it helped a lot that I had done extra Maths classes, challenges etc throughout my Year 13.

consider alternatives
Original post by MathsEnjoyer
Hello, this year following my rejection from Trinity Hall following interview, I have been considering re-applying for a while now, and I wanted to ask some questions regarding re-application.
I am a touch worried that I might get an A in physics opposed to my predicted A*, if I did apply with A*A*A, would that be harmful to my application as most people apply with A*A*A*, or would it just mean I have to do really well in STEP (I know the A*A*A typical offer being 1+1 in STEP 2+3, but I mean more terms in appeal of my application)
How much can I draw from my personal statement from this year? I am pretty happy with it but of course in a year from now it won't exactly be up to date. I know I need to add more to it, and I have a few ideas, but I particularly wanted to ask about the reference. To my knowledge, my reference will have to be redone entirely, however given that I would already have my grades, how would this be done?
If I applied to Trin. Hall again, would it impact my chances? Or would it be best to apply elsewhere? And would the simple fact I am applying after a year off make a major impact in my application?
And lastly, I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions about what I could do if I do take this year off to re-apply to make my applications as competitive as I can, any advice is appreciated :smile:

I got rejected from Corpus Christi this year, I'm in the same boat man :frown:. I guess because I'm at the same stage as you I can't really offer any advice myself but I did go looking for advice and I found this post a while back, it was really helpful - all the best with it.

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