So... what have the Tories ever done for Young People?
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Victoria Derbyshire rips into Mark Harper - in style.
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
Reply 1
Original post by McGinger
Victoria Derbyshire rips into Mark Harper - in style.
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
The way the Conservatives have resurrected the student loan system they took over from Labour has turned it into a effective graduate tax that many people that make up the backbone of the economy will have to pay for their working lives.
It is one of the reasons I will never vote Conservative. The party and their supporters aren't just pro-high tax, they are fundamentally anti-aspirational.
My perspective is hardly unique. YouGov has the Conservatives polling at 8% among the under-50s.
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Original post by Gazpacho.
The way the Conservatives have resurrected the student loan system they took over from Labour has turned it into a effective graduate tax that many people that make up the backbone of the economy will have to pay for their working lives.
It is one of the reasons I will never vote Conservative. The party and their supporters aren't just pro-high tax, they are fundamentally anti-aspirational.
My perspective is hardly unique. YouGov has the Conservatives polling at 8% among the under-50s.
It is one of the reasons I will never vote Conservative. The party and their supporters aren't just pro-high tax, they are fundamentally anti-aspirational.
My perspective is hardly unique. YouGov has the Conservatives polling at 8% among the under-50s.
And, the biggest flaw with Student Loans has always been that those on low family incomes will have to borrow and pay-back more than those from wealthier homes. How on earth is that 'equitable'....?
Reply 3
Original post by McGinger
Victoria Derbyshire rips into Mark Harper - in style.
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
she is completely right, it seems as though they are reverting to this contemptuous, victorian-esque view of young people in this country and it is disgraceful.
Sunak's whole campaign promise regarding apprenticeships further pushes class divide as they are simultaneously making it much harder for people to go to university due to the revival of student loans, meaning that there will be far less people that actually go to university and end up in those top jobs that require those sorts of qualifications.
Whilst I generally don't mind Sunak compared to the rest of the Tories that we have had post Tony Blair, we need change imminently.
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Original post by KingsleyArtha1
she is completely right, it seems as though they are reverting to this contemptuous, victorian-esque view of young people in this country and it is disgraceful.
Sunak's whole campaign promise regarding apprenticeships further pushes class divide as they are simultaneously making it much harder for people to go to university due to the revival of student loans, meaning that there will be far less people that actually go to university and end up in those top jobs that require those sorts of qualifications.
Whilst I generally don't mind Sunak compared to the rest of the Tories that we have had post Tony Blair, we need change imminently.
Sunak's whole campaign promise regarding apprenticeships further pushes class divide as they are simultaneously making it much harder for people to go to university due to the revival of student loans, meaning that there will be far less people that actually go to university and end up in those top jobs that require those sorts of qualifications.
Whilst I generally don't mind Sunak compared to the rest of the Tories that we have had post Tony Blair, we need change imminently.
He is trying to appease the far-Right of his party - and voters who might be thinking of supporting Reform.
After the election, they'll dump him and elect some nutter like Badenoch as leader so they can lurch even further to the Right.
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Original post by Gazpacho.
The way the Conservatives have resurrected the student loan system they took over from Labour has turned it into a effective graduate tax that many people that make up the backbone of the economy will have to pay for their working lives.
It is one of the reasons I will never vote Conservative. The party and their supporters aren't just pro-high tax, they are fundamentally anti-aspirational.
My perspective is hardly unique. YouGov has the Conservatives polling at 8% among the under-50s.
It is one of the reasons I will never vote Conservative. The party and their supporters aren't just pro-high tax, they are fundamentally anti-aspirational.
My perspective is hardly unique. YouGov has the Conservatives polling at 8% among the under-50s.
If the Conservatives have ever been pro high tax it was before the 1960s. The Beatles song Taxman succinctly puts it across that during a Labour government they had a 95% top rate of tax. "There's one for you, nineteen for me".
I'd you're just talking about tuition fees and student loans, that's not a tax. That's just paying back what you loaned. Tax refers to income from employment.
Labour created the game of paying for university. Why would the Conservatives turn it down when the Conservatives believe that the working persons taxes should not pay for Millie the middle class Media Studies student or Barry the broke and nothing to lose working class lad who spent 3 years loafing around mostly and learnt practically nothing that improved his employability.
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Back to the Tories and Young People.
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
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Original post by McGinger
Back to the Tories and Young People.
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
Since 2017 they've continuously increased military spending, albeit from an austerity low. Boris was also among the first to not only send aid to Ukraine, but to visit Zelensky himself in Kyiv. Operation Interflex, Challenger 2 tanks and all sorts of artillery and financial assistance have helped our ally. Had Corbyn been elected, who publicly said he wouldn't use trident if we got nuked, it's unlikely we would be in the same position.
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I can't think of a single thing that the Tories have done that has improved my life.
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Original post by Picnicl
If the Conservatives have ever been pro high tax it was before the 1960s. The Beatles song Taxman succinctly puts it across that during a Labour government they had a 95% top rate of tax. "There's one for you, nineteen for me".
I'd you're just talking about tuition fees and student loans, that's not a tax. That's just paying back what you loaned. Tax refers to income from employment.
Labour created the game of paying for university. Why would the Conservatives turn it down when the Conservatives believe that the working persons taxes should not pay for Millie the middle class Media Studies student or Barry the broke and nothing to lose working class lad who spent 3 years loafing around mostly and learnt practically nothing that improved his employability.
I'd you're just talking about tuition fees and student loans, that's not a tax. That's just paying back what you loaned. Tax refers to income from employment.
Labour created the game of paying for university. Why would the Conservatives turn it down when the Conservatives believe that the working persons taxes should not pay for Millie the middle class Media Studies student or Barry the broke and nothing to lose working class lad who spent 3 years loafing around mostly and learnt practically nothing that improved his employability.
Firstly, the Conservatives has pushed the tax burden to its highest point since the early 1950s. That is pro-high tax.
Secondly, it is evident from the examples you use that you don’t understand how student loan repayments work. Graduates pay 9% on all income over 27k. Your examples are likely to not go on to earn a whole lot throughout their working careers and will therefore not pay much of their loan. It is those of us who used our education to better ourselves that get hit both by being in higher income tax bands and getting hit with loan repayments.
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Original post by waterenjoyer
Since 2017 they've continuously increased military spending, albeit from an austerity low. Boris was also among the first to not only send aid to Ukraine, but to visit Zelensky himself in Kyiv. Operation Interflex, Challenger 2 tanks and all sorts of artillery and financial assistance have helped our ally. Had Corbyn been elected, who publicly said he wouldn't use trident if we got nuked, it's unlikely we would be in the same position.
And what has any of this done to improve the lives of anyone under 25 in the UK?
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Original post by McGinger
He is trying to appease the far-Right of his party - and voters who might be thinking of supporting Reform.
After the election, they'll dump him and elect some nutter like Badenoch as leader so they can lurch even further to the Right.
After the election, they'll dump him and elect some nutter like Badenoch as leader so they can lurch even further to the Right.
exactly. What dire straits they are in. I hope and pray that Labour can actually be decent otherwise our country is completely finished
Reply 12
Original post by McGinger
Victoria Derbyshire rips into Mark Harper - in style.
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
"You’re going to force them to do national service, you’ve tripled their tuition fees, you froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan, you’ve extended the student loan repayment term from 30 to 40 years meaning many graduates will be paying off their student debt in their 60s."
Victoria Derbyshire Leaves Minister Squirming As She Explains Why Young People Don't Vote Tory (msn.com)
You ask the question in a rather interesting way because you say "ever done." Over the entire history of the Conservative Party, the answer is probably "quite a lot, depending on their social class" because their tendency to treat all young people with absolute contempt is quite a new phenomena. However, what you need to understand is that the Conservative Party has had a "one generation strategy" for about 40 years now and it is finally starting to fall apart for them.
Victoria Derbyshire lists policies very much of relevance to the young (tuition fees, national service, student repayment thresholds) but it's actually a very exclusionary and not entirely accurate way to look at what has been going on over the past 14 years. For example, no one with the vote in this election is going to be young enough to do national service. The Tory assault on "young" people has been much more widespread and has some longevity now.
What actually happened is that in 1979-1990 Thatcher courted the baby boomer vote. She did this through lower income taxes, the right to buy council homes and privatisations offering undervalued shares to the public, mostly bought by baby boomers who were still saving for a pension. Whilst some of this generation did go on to vote for Labour in 1997 in large numbers, at the same time most were conditioned to find left wing politics abhorrent to their own interests (hence we had "New Labour" rather than a left wing government 1997-2010). So in the period 1979-1990, things were actually done in reverse, the Tories were quite focused on people of working age.
The Tories decided to stop representing working age people though because, starting with millennials, they were unlikely to vote. I'm 41 now but I've largely suffered the same frustrations as generation Z will face and I know the Tories will be as indifferent to my issues as theirs. What you must understand is that the Tories haven't just made it hard to be a student, they've also made work quite unrewarding for about 80% of the millennial generation. They've meddled with the housing market to benefit landlords; they've taken child benefit away from moderate earners; they hiked our national insurance for a decade and it is only coming down now because they finally fear us as voters; national income has increasingly been channeled to only 1% of earners whilst the rest of us have endured pay cuts and on top of all of that they've carried on dragging the country into debt to pay for unsustainable benefits for the elderly.
However, what I expect the Tories to do next is to try and create a schism between millennials and gen Z. They have lost the millennial vote for life, so I expect they will be a gen Z party within about another decade.
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Whats even more annoying is that they pushed the university and degree idea down our throats for years, where we felt if we did not have a degree we'd get no where. But now want to focus on apprenticeships? The tories actually knock me sick🥲
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Original post by AAJXOXO
Whats even more annoying is that they pushed the university and degree idea down our throats for years, where we felt if we did not have a degree we'd get no where. But now want to focus on apprenticeships? The tories actually knock me sick🥲
Only the working class should do apprenticeships, obviously.
Tory children will of course be destined for University,
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Original post by McGinger
Only the working class should do apprenticeships, obviously.
Tory children will of course be destined for University,
Tory children will of course be destined for University,
But if anything I felt uni was always targetted towards the working class. We were always sold a dream. Where if you do this you're guaranteed a job lol. And now all we'll be doing is repaying this debt for however long we live. Again, them beneffitting from it. For Tories doubt its even classed as university if its not the TOP ones. Lol.
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Original post by McGinger
And what has any of this done to improve the lives of anyone under 25 in the UK?
I don't think under 25s, or anyone for that matter, would be too chuffed if russia was to have steamrolled ukraine and made the likelihood of our young men (including under 25s lol) going to war increase. Not to mention that nobody would dare lob a nuke our way unless they happen to be suicidal.
Reply 17
Original post by McGinger
Back to the Tories and Young People.
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
Do any of you feel that the Tories have done anything to benefit your lives?
well I go to private school so lower taxes due to the tories (although they have still managed to screw my dad over) have meant that my parents have been able to afford it
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