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Trump verdict: Former president found guilty in hush-money case

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Original post by SHallowvale
The crowd who screamed "Lock her up!" are now crying about the judicial system being weaponised.

You've got to love the hypocrisy.

Yes, the judicial system can only be trusted to investigate people Hilary Clinton and Hunter Biden, never Trump, because apparently then it becomes political :smile:
Original post by Jebedee
This verdict just confirmed his presidency. The average person who doesn't suffer from TDS can see right through it and moderates will now lean towards Trump.
Other than that, the weaponisation of the judicial system will have damaged trust in the country for years to come.

Most moderates believe in law and order and will therefore not support a convicted felon.

Most Trump supports claim to believe in law and order in the same way they claim to believe in family values but admire a man who cheats on his wife and mother of his child with a porn star.
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Original post by StriderHort
The moderates will lean towards the convicted felon and sex offender who sounds increasingly unhinged and keeps trying to get people hurt? yeah, I dunno if that's the moderates...
Do you consider yourself a moderate?

His charge is not a felony until they arbitrarily decided it was. Also he was never criminally charged with anything sexual.

Of course any debate around Trump just attracts nonsense ramblings from the TDS crowd.
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Original post by Gazpacho.
Most moderates believe in law and order and will therefore not support a convicted felon.
Most Trump supports claim to believe in law and order in the same way they claim to believe in family values but admire a man who cheats on his wife and mother of his child with a porn star.

I believe most couldn't care less about the private life of the president. Unless it involves unsavoury shower sessions with an underage teen of course.

I'd take a bit of historical adultery over that any day.
Original post by Jebedee
His charge is not a felony until they arbitrarily decided it was. Also he was never criminally charged with anything sexual.
Of course any debate around Trump just attracts nonsense ramblings from the TDS crowd.

Nah I dunno that's what happened 😅 Yeah he wasn't convicted of sexual offences, he just committed them - oh and remember there was issues of him peeking into kids shower sessions, he can't keep his mouth shut.

The polling seems to indicate that moderates think he got a fair trial - you can whine TDS! and try to deflect all you want but he's a truly awful person and his fans sound increasingly like cultists.
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Original post by StriderHort
Nah I dunno that's what happened 😅 Yeah he wasn't convicted of sexual offences, he just committed them - oh and remember there was issues of him peeking into kids shower sessions, he can't keep his mouth shut.
The polling seems to indicate that moderates think he got a fair trial - you can whine TDS! and try to deflect all you want but he's a truly awful person and his fans sound increasingly like cultists.

So on what basis are you claiming he committed these offences, in lieu of any criminal conviction exactly? Never heard of any shower sessions tbh but feel free to enlighten me.

I'm distrustful of polls. Perfectly capable of making my own mind up. Extending the statute of limitations and upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony in order to ring up some one up on charges is definitely fishy as hell. You don't need a poll to tell you that.
Original post by Jebedee
So on what basis are you claiming he committed these offences, in lieu of any criminal conviction exactly? Never heard of any shower sessions tbh but feel free to enlighten me.
I'm distrustful of polls. Perfectly capable of making my own mind up. Extending the statute of limitations and upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony in order to ring up some one up on charges is definitely fishy as hell. You don't need a poll to tell you that.

The part where a jury found he sexually assaulted someone - as a civilian, I don't much care whether a criminal or civil jury considered the evidence and came to this verdict.

For the shower stuff I recall it was him giving (old) interviews about the child pageants he was involved with and sneaking peeks into their changing rooms - it was pretty weird at the time, but fit his bad boy image, a lot of people probably assume he was joking and he might have been - but looking back now in light of 'locker toom talk!' etc and obv a jury judging him a sex attacker, it's a giant screaming red flag.

You can distrust polls, juries, courts, critics all you wish, just as I distrust people who support the guy blindly no matter what the accusation is.
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Original post by StriderHort
The part where a jury found he sexually assaulted someone - as a civilian, I don't much care whether a criminal or civil jury considered the evidence and came to this verdict.
For the shower stuff I recall it was him giving (old) interviews about the child pageants he was involved with and sneaking peeks into their changing rooms - it was pretty weird at the time, but fit his bad boy image, a lot of people probably assume he was joking and he might have been - but looking back now in light of 'locker toom talk!' etc and obv a jury judging him a sex attacker, it's a giant screaming red flag.
You can distrust polls, juries, courts, critics all you wish, just as I distrust people who support the guy blindly no matter what the accusation is.

It matters a great deal whether it was a criminal or civil jury because civil cases do not require conclusive evidence. I'm guessing you never saw the CNN interview of Jean E Caroll. No reasonable person would consider her a reliable witness for anything.

I would just as easily criticise if Biden was the one on trial. Whether or not I like the guy, I do not agree with blatant policial persecution. Everyone loses regardless in this scenario.
Original post by Jebedee
It matters a great deal whether it was a criminal or civil jury because civil cases do not require conclusive evidence. I'm guessing you never saw the CNN interview of Jean E Caroll. No reasonable person would consider her a reliable witness for anything.
I would just as easily criticise if Biden was the one on trial. Whether or not I like the guy, I do not agree with blatant policial persecution. Everyone loses regardless in this scenario.

Nah, tbh you're going too far into stock MAGA territory here - 'No reasonable person' etc, anyone that doesn't bend over for or polls against Trump is unreasonable apparently - unless you have an extremely simple answer why, I'm going to assume the jury was competent and reasonable.
Original post by Jebedee
I believe most couldn't care less about the private life of the president. Unless it involves unsavoury shower sessions with an underage teen of course.
I'd take a bit of historical adultery over that any day.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

If you are implying criminality on behalf of someone else, that does not exclude the criminality of Donald Trump.
Unfortunately the only way to blinker yourself to Trump’s entire lifetime of being an utter scumbag (both personally and professionally) is to engage in whataboutism and claims of bias.

He’s (ostensibly) a rich, white dude. The bias is very much in his favour.
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Original post by Gazpacho.
I have no idea what you are referring to.
If you are implying criminality on behalf of someone else, that does not exclude the criminality of Donald Trump.

See Ashley Biden's diary.

Adultery is not a crime in the US.
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Original post by StriderHort
Nah, tbh you're going too far into stock MAGA territory here - 'No reasonable person' etc, anyone that doesn't bend over for or polls against Trump is unreasonable apparently - unless you have an extremely simple answer why, I'm going to assume the jury was competent and reasonable.

Have you or have you not seen Jean E Carol's CNN interview? Seeing that alone wil convince a reasonable person that if the jury sided with her, they're not a reliable jury.
Original post by Jebedee
See Ashley Biden's diary.
Adultery is not a crime in the US.

You seem woefully ignorant of this case.

He has not been convicted of adultery.
Original post by Jebedee
This verdict just confirmed his presidency. The average person who doesn't suffer from TDS can see right through it and moderates will now lean towards Trump.
Other than that, the weaponisation of the judicial system will have damaged trust in the country for years to come.

If being convicted is so great for their political prospects, why are Trump and the GOP so enraged about it and demanding retaliatory prosecutions of Biden and other prominent Democrats? Surely they should be over the moon about it and see giving Dems a comparable boon as the last thing they'd want to do?
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Original post by anarchism101
If being convicted is so great for their political prospects, why are Trump and the GOP so enraged about it and demanding retaliatory prosecutions of Biden and other prominent Democrats? Surely they should be over the moon about it and see giving Dems a comparable boon as the last thing they'd want to do?

The conviction being so great for his election was an unexpected fallout for the Democrats. The bigger issue is that if the justice system can be weaponised against such a high profile figure unfairly. What protections do the average person have if they become undesirable to the powers that be?
Original post by Jebedee
The conviction being so great for his election was an unexpected fallout for the Democrats. The bigger issue is that if the justice system can be weaponised against such a high profile figure unfairly. What protections do the average person have if they become undesirable to the powers that be?

Your average person doesn't pay hush money to a pornstar and then try to cover it up as a campaign expense.

Nobody should be above the law, regardless of their political profile. I've yet to see anyone explain why the verdict is unfair, other than 'They convicted someone I support!'.

It is pathetic how the crowd who wanted Clinton locked away are suddenly pretending that they care about the justice system being weaponised by politicians.
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Original post by SHallowvale
Your average person doesn't pay hush money to a pornstar and then try to cover it up as a campaign expense.
Nobody should be above the law, regardless of their political profile. I've yet to see anyone explain why the verdict is unfair, other than 'They convicted someone I support!'.
It is pathetic how the crowd who wanted Clinton locked away are suddenly pretending that they care about the justice system being weaponised by politicians.

Because it's a misdemeanor and not a criminal charge, and with an expired statue of limitations. What don't you understand about that?
Original post by Jebedee
Because it's a misdemeanor and not a criminal charge, and with an expired statue of limitations. What don't you understand about that?

Wrong. Falsifying business records is a criminal offence. His crime was within the statute of limitations.

Nobody should be above the law. The MAGA crowd should grow a spine and hold their candidate to the same standard they hold everyone else.
Trump and his apologists always cycle through the same excuses for every single debacle.

- He didn’t do it
- He did do it, but not in the way you’re suggesting
- It’s not a big issue, everyone does it
- Whataboutism / look at this other thing that someone else has done or is doing

Rinse, repeat.

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