UK Migration Policy

This thread is to discuss issues regarding migration surrounding the UK.
This could include
-The Rwanda Policy
-Entry Requirements
-Minimum Threshold for Skilled Workers
-Employer Immigration Tax (Reform UK)
-1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 Protocol
-UNHCR
-Safe and Legal Routes
-Small Boat Crossings of the English Channel
-Housing such as Ex-Military Sites and Bibby Stockholm
-Any Other Relevant Matters

Hello. Thanks for doing this. I think we need to have an honest discussion about migration.
First of all, I have not problem with migration. I like the fact that the UK is an open and safe country where individuals from all over the world can find a home.
This does not mean that we should have open or porous borders where we cannot properly manage the numbers that come in. We need to focus on abiding by our international requirements whilst selecting people that we want to be here. The entire world wont be able to fit on this tiny island.

No problem, thanks for replying.
I do agree that there's a limit to the number of people that can realistically enter the country, but I think that it should be fairly high. Not like Farage's net zero migration but equally there has to be some restrictions.
I think that if employers want to employ someone from another country, they should be able to do that provided there are checks to look out for exploitation, as these people would be beneficial to the economy, and country as a whole. I also think that there should be more safe and legal routes to the country, specifically for people who may not count as refugees but are still at risk.
For me, the main problem with illegal migration is the number of people who die crossing the channel; if there were more safe routes, this would happen less. It would also give the opportunity to investigate people a bit more before they try to come to the UK.

Hello.
Every country should prioritise their own citizens and residents. It makes no sense for an employer to ignore home grown talents for foreign workers unless those people bring in special skills that we cannot find or grow at home. For example, it’s fine to bring in the next Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.
I am also concerned about the number of deaths. However, we should be stricter to ensure that individuals don't take the journey in the first place. The recurring question that gets asked is why are people risking their lives to cross the channel and other safe countries like Italy, Ireland and France to get to the UK. The answer is sadly we are a soft touch.

Hi again,
I think that if employers wish to employ people living abroad from fields that already have high unemployment rates, they should have to prove that they will be an above averagely good worker. However, other fields with high demand or low unemployment while being predicted to grow in coming years could benefit from having an increased workforce. I personally would prefer for a slightly better worker from abroad than a less good one who is a citizen or resident.
I don't know much about other countries' relationships with immigrants so I can't say much but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for the UK to be a welcoming country. I do recognise that I might be slightly idealistic though.

Employers need to explain why they are recruiting overseas candidates over local ones. If the issue is the absence of appropriate skills, there should be intervention in those areas.
The UK being welcoming should not lead to being overwhelmed.

And why shouldn't the intervention include recruiting overseas workers? I do not see the issue with migrants, as I don't believe the UK is being overwhelmed by them. In fact, there was an IMF study a few years ago that found that migrants boost the economy. Migration to Advanced Economies Can Raise Growth (imf.org)
We don't need to stop people coming to the country. We need to get the criminals (who make up a minority because I don't count illegal migrants) removed quickly, and get the rest out of hotels or other supposedly temporary housing and integrated within society as quickly as possible, instead of waiting for months or even years. That way, they can contribute to the economy, through taxes or other means, instead of taking up resources, and that doesn't even get into the ethical problems and the immense suffering some of them experience while waiting.

I think you need to open your eyes to the reality. There is crisis across the country due to the pressures on numbers.
We need to control the numbers and have the right people entering the country.

Do you have any precise examples of crisis?

NHS, housing and many others.

Those are decent examples but do you have any evidence? Other than just assumptions?

Any evidence that the NHS is broken or that we have a housing crisis?

Any evidence that it's due to migration

What? More people increases demand for houses that shoots up the prices and adds pressures on the local community.
This would also impact the health service as healthcare workers would have more individuals to look after.
If you want to have these sorts of arguments, then I would rather concede and agree to disagree.

Do you have any definitive evidence that this is due to migrants?
We should encourage migrants just like everyone else to pursue careers that benefit society. 14.4% of the UK population are migrants, and around a fifth of people who work in healthcare are migrants. You might notice that the proportion who work in healthcare is higher than the population as a whole, so no, you are wrong that healthcare workers would have more individuals to look after each.
You also said yourself that the birth/death rate in the UK shows a decreasing population. Remember? A lower birth rate can also mean an ageing population, like in Japan. Migrants are generally fairly young, especially illegal migrants, so surely they would help the economy as people who will work for many years, more than take up resources.
If you don't want to continue, then don't. I'm fine with disagreeing.

You are right. I concede.

If you've got bored of this debate, then fine. I highly doubt you've changed your views about anything.

I think you missed the mark but best to respectfully end it. If you think there are no negative impacts of excess migration, then we are having fundamentally different discussions.

I think there is not excess migration currently and there are better ways to make it sustainable than stop it. The UK is not suffering simply due to migration so I don't see why parties focus so strongly on it other than appealing to voters.