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ITV Debate: Starmer vs Sunak 4th June 9pm - are you watching?

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by Talkative Toad
Can’t tell if this is better than the French debates or not.

It's not as fun as the last presidential debate so far.
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by CatusStarbright
Pensioners already pay tax... no?


Yes.

This is about the state pension being higher than the tax free allowance. Tories want to raise the tax free allowance but for pensioners only.

The ideal point you make here is that the Tories raised taxes via fiscal drag by not increasing the tax thresholds.

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Original post
by CatusStarbright
It's not as fun as the last presidential debate so far.

Le Pen vs Macron in 2022 was more fun?
Not liking the pacing of this we could do with a bit longer to actually expand on and scrutinise the responses.
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by Saracen's Fez
Yes.

This is about the state pension being higher than the tax free allowance. Tories want to raise the tax free allowance but for pensioners only.

The ideal point you make here is that the Tories raised taxes via fiscal drag by not increasing the tax thresholds.

Yes, it was explained a bit more after I posted that.
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by Talkative Toad
Le Pen vs Macron in 2022 was more fun?

Oh yeah!
Original post
by Saracen's Fez
Not liking the pacing of this we could do with a bit longer to actually expand on and scrutinise the responses.


It would be helpful if they didn't keep trying to shout over each other
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by Saracen's Fez
Not liking the pacing of this we could do with a bit longer to actually expand on and scrutinise the responses.

I think they're trying to get through a lot of topics - breadth rather than depth. It sort of makes sense given the manifestos aren't out yet.

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by Talkative Toad
Le Pen vs Macron in 2022 was more fun?

Not a fan of Macron. He is racist against Muslims.

Finally, a talk about migration. This is the juicy part

Reply 68

Last year, the population worth of Manchester (one of the biggest cities in UK) migrated to UK
"Smash the gangs"

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by CatusStarbright
Yes, it was explained a bit more after I posted that.

Oh yeah!


I think that French people seem to have more intellect in debates. I watch French people having a debate on TV and online vs British and American people and the difference is there, the quality of the French debates seem to be higher (maybe it’s to do with the language sounding more sophisticated) imo.

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by hh1209
Not a fan of Macron. He is racist against Muslims.

Finally, a talk about migration. This is the juicy part


Don’t blame you

Reply 71

Starmer is so racist.
Original post
by Talkative Toad
I think that French people seem to have more intellect in debates. I watch French people having a debate on TV and online vs British and American people and the difference is there, the quality of the French debates seem to be higher (maybe it’s to do with the language sounding more sophisticated) imo.

It's not more sophisticated, but I think they throw more shade on each other. I was actually laughing at some of the 2022 debates.

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by CatusStarbright
It's not more sophisticated, but I think they throw more shade on each other. I was actually laughing at some of the 2022 debates.

Ive not seen any debates in France. Can you give me some to watch just to see how it is?

Reply 74

'I will choose security over membership of a foreign court'.

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by CatusStarbright
It's not more sophisticated, but I think they throw more shade on each other. I was actually laughing at some of the 2022 debates.

Yeah French people like to be more blunt I think (we like to be blunt I think/imo rather than beating around the bush).

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by Talkative Toad
What does this mean?

They'll just offer them more money.

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by Rakas21
They'll just offer them more money.

That’s a good thing as long as there’s proper negotiation in my opinion.

Reply 78

Again starmer talking about helping ukranians and not Palestinians. Hypocrytes in power

Reply 79

Sunak has trapped Starmer on third country processing. He had to say yes when his policy before tonight was no.
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