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Nurses making placement hell

Hi, I'm at the end of my first year. Firstly this isn't me being racist at all. The ward I'm on is purely run by Indian nurses. I am the only English nurse there. I can't understand hardly anything they say and the way that they say certain things. The first day I attended handover I hadn't a clue what they were saying, the language plus the medical terminology left me feeling like a fish out of water.

To make matters worse they keep putting me with the healthcare's. I used to work as a healthcare so I don't mind but it's not what I'm there for. I've been told that in India you get the treatment you're given, like it or lump it. I witnessed some horrific treatment of a mentally ill patient where they left him covered in his own poo and refused to change him and one nurse slapped him across the face. I was so horrified I went round telling everyone how bad it was and because I cleaned him up and took him out I knew it wouldn't go down well.

On my return after that shift they have reported me that I'm failing my placement due to giving the impression I don't want to be there. That I still act as a healthcare and I'm showing no interest in nursing. This has infuriated me as I'm sure this is retaliation for the incident. When I reported what had happened to my assessor she said the nurse was probably stressed. I was dumbfounded.

Going forward I'm now on an action plan where I have to do more to initiate my own learning. I'm literally furious. They do nothing to help me, and won't even log into my online learning to complete any of my tasks. I don't know if I should just defer the placement as I feel like I'll be fighting a losing battle.

I'm not sure going forward what I can actually do.

Reply 1

Hello I empathise with your situation. Firstly I think you have a duty of care to the man who was neglected by the nurses. I know that as a student nurse its difficult to report these things. Its a safeguarding issue for yourself and your patient. You could do two things a) speak to someone at your University, document what you have told us and what you did not tell us, times dates information (Patient A Bed 1 Room 5). Document your concerns and keep it as objective as you can. b) you could locate the phone number and "whistleblow" now I don't know where you are, but there should be a "whistleblowing policy". Do not defer, you should and do have a valid situation here, that might either impact your mental or physical health. I have been in your shoes and it was very different then. Did you join the RCN Student Nursing do it, did you join the NUS do it. It shouldn't cost anything. I think you need support and I do feel that you absolutely need to report this "I witnessed some horrific treatment of a mentally ill patient where they left him covered in his own poo and refused to change him and one nurse slapped him across the face." Thats physical abuse, thats neglect thats criminal behaviour. If you witnessed it you do have a duty to report it. Do you have a Designated Safeguard Lead at your University that you can talk to because you ought to report it to them as well. Take care of yourself, and if your struggling physically or mentally (oh the times I came home and just wept, I hated being a student nurse) talk to someone who can help you. Take care 020 7637 7181 is the NMC number heres the advice they offer If you believe you have a concern that meets these criteria and you wish to raise it with us, we ask that you email us on [email protected]. Please set out what the concern is, and how each of the six criteria are met. If you are worried about raising concerns or wish to talk through the process and what is involved, please call us on 020 7637 7181 for advice.
You can also raise concerns through our fitness to practise referral process.
We will treat the information you provide as confidential and won’t disclose it without lawful authority. However, to look into a matter properly, we will usually need to disclose some information to the organisation concerned.
You can raise your concern anonymously if you prefer. This can be done by:

Phoning us and withholding your number.

Communicating with us via an anonymised email address.

Look after yourself xxx <3

Reply 2

Have you spoken to your university about the assault on a patient you have witnessed? If not, that would probably be a wise place to start.

Reply 3

Original post by Drecreates
Hello I empathise with your situation. Firstly I think you have a duty of care to the man who was neglected by the nurses. I know that as a student nurse its difficult to report these things. Its a safeguarding issue for yourself and your patient. You could do two things a) speak to someone at your University, document what you have told us and what you did not tell us, times dates information (Patient A Bed 1 Room 5). Document your concerns and keep it as objective as you can. b) you could locate the phone number and "whistleblow" now I don't know where you are, but there should be a "whistleblowing policy". Do not defer, you should and do have a valid situation here, that might either impact your mental or physical health. I have been in your shoes and it was very different then. Did you join the RCN Student Nursing do it, did you join the NUS do it. It shouldn't cost anything. I think you need support and I do feel that you absolutely need to report this "I witnessed some horrific treatment of a mentally ill patient where they left him covered in his own poo and refused to change him and one nurse slapped him across the face." Thats physical abuse, thats neglect thats criminal behaviour. If you witnessed it you do have a duty to report it. Do you have a Designated Safeguard Lead at your University that you can talk to because you ought to report it to them as well. Take care of yourself, and if your struggling physically or mentally (oh the times I came home and just wept, I hated being a student nurse) talk to someone who can help you. Take care 020 7637 7181 is the NMC number heres the advice they offer If you believe you have a concern that meets these criteria and you wish to raise it with us, we ask that you email us on [email protected]. Please set out what the concern is, and how each of the six criteria are met. If you are worried about raising concerns or wish to talk through the process and what is involved, please call us on 020 7637 7181 for advice.
You can also raise concerns through our fitness to practise referral process.
We will treat the information you provide as confidential and won’t disclose it without lawful authority. However, to look into a matter properly, we will usually need to disclose some information to the organisation concerned.
You can raise your concern anonymously if you prefer. This can be done by:

Phoning us and withholding your number.

Communicating with us via an anonymised email address.

Look after yourself xxx <3

Thank you so much I will do as you suggested. I current have had a 2 day migraine to the point I'm sick, I think it is down to the stress.

Reply 4

Original post by moonkatt
Have you spoken to your university about the assault on a patient you have witnessed? If not, that would probably be a wise place to start.

I told my university assessor and all she said was the nurse was probably stressed. That's when I realised I'm totally on my own. No one wants you to report stuff even if they claim they do. I tell them something important and they shut it down and make it about me not fitting in. I literally felt like crying though frustration when she spoke to me yesterday.
Original post by Pinkhairbubble
I told my university assessor and all she said was the nurse was probably stressed. That's when I realised I'm totally on my own. No one wants you to report stuff even if they claim they do. I tell them something important and they shut it down and make it about me not fitting in. I literally felt like crying though frustration when she spoke to me yesterday.

Hi there,

I'm a third-year student nurse, and I'm hoping I can impart some advice here.

You are 100% correct in reporting what happened, but if you feel you are hitting a brick wall, you need to escalate this further. The placement area will have a designated safeguarding lead; you must report it to them. The way I was taught (and I'm sure you have, too) is that you just keep taking it higher and higher if needed.

As nurses, we are in privileged positions to care for the vulnerable, and it is our duty to protect them from harm. As mentioned above, discuss this with the NMC.

You should also discuss your concerns with the university regarding your placement and how it is affecting you, you shouldn't be penalised for doing the right thing.

Nat
Third-year student nurse and ambassador

Reply 6

Original post by Pinkhairbubble
Hi, I'm at the end of my first year. Firstly this isn't me being racist at all. The ward I'm on is purely run by Indian nurses. I am the only English nurse there. I can't understand hardly anything they say and the way that they say certain things. The first day I attended handover I hadn't a clue what they were saying, the language plus the medical terminology left me feeling like a fish out of water.
To make matters worse they keep putting me with the healthcare's. I used to work as a healthcare so I don't mind but it's not what I'm there for. I've been told that in India you get the treatment you're given, like it or lump it. I witnessed some horrific treatment of a mentally ill patient where they left him covered in his own poo and refused to change him and one nurse slapped him across the face. I was so horrified I went round telling everyone how bad it was and because I cleaned him up and took him out I knew it wouldn't go down well.
On my return after that shift they have reported me that I'm failing my placement due to giving the impression I don't want to be there. That I still act as a healthcare and I'm showing no interest in nursing. This has infuriated me as I'm sure this is retaliation for the incident. When I reported what had happened to my assessor she said the nurse was probably stressed. I was dumbfounded.
Going forward I'm now on an action plan where I have to do more to initiate my own learning. I'm literally furious. They do nothing to help me, and won't even log into my online learning to complete any of my tasks. I don't know if I should just defer the placement as I feel like I'll be fighting a losing battle.
I'm not sure going forward what I can actually do.
NHS is full of abuse of power https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/doctors-nhs-medical-students-sexual-assault-b2584556.html

Reply 7


It is also working to rectify these issues and good nurses and students are on the front line of making the change

@Pinkhairbubble
I am not a nurse but my wife has just gone through what you are going through. Here are some thoughts

The first year is about finding your feet. Much of the work is HA based which forms the basis of nursing care.

UK Nursing as you should have been taught by your uni is patient centred, not nurse centred. There is clearly a training issue at your placement hospital if your Indian nurses are not following this approach. I appreciate this is difficult to report but you absolutely should report this to your university and ensure they pass it on.

If you have witnessed malpractice by another healthcare professional, you have a duty as a healthcare professional, student or human being to report that. The hospital should have a mechanism for reporting things like this and failing that, your university should help you. When you get your PIN not reporting things like this could see you being disciplined by your governing body.

Finally, the NHS is exceedingly diverse and yes, there are lots of Indian nurses. Just imagine what it must be like for them, living and working in a totally alien country. Ask them to speak slower. Explain that you find their accent hard to understand. Smile. Make a joke about it. Take the lead. As a future nurse, you are a future leader of healthcare provision so it is now time to step up and lead on your need to understand what is being said.


Hang in their. It will be worth it!

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