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Can I do Accounting after PPE?

I've been planning to go yo university and do a PPE (philosophy, politics, economics) bachelors degree. I want to be a chartered accountant; so after my PPE degree, I was planning to do an accounting masters. My economics A level teacher told me today it doesn't really link. Can I still do them or should I choose something else?
Original post by BennyBun
I've been planning to go yo university and do a PPE (philosophy, politics, economics) bachelors degree. I want to be a chartered accountant; so after my PPE degree, I was planning to do an accounting masters. My economics A level teacher told me today it doesn't really link. Can I still do them or should I choose something else?

Yes, you can do a master's in accounting because some master's usually doesn't require your undergrad to be in specific subjects (you will need to shop for them though). See the following for example:
https://www.durham.ac.uk/business/courses/accounting-l1t509/#entry-requirements
https://www.napier.ac.uk/courses/msc-accounting-postgraduate-fulltime
https://www.gre.ac.uk/postgraduate-courses/bus/accfin#entry-requirements
https://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/Graduate/degree-programmes-2024/MSc-Accounting-Organisations-and-Institutions
https://www.tees.ac.uk/postgraduate_courses/accounting_&_economics/msc_accounting_and_finance.cfm


You might be able to get away applying to some universities since your PPE degree does cover economics. Ideally, you would have sufficient economics content in your degree to qualify. See the following for example (but do check with the individual university):
https://www.surrey.ac.uk/postgraduate/accounting-and-finance-msc
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/masters/finance-accounting/admissions/
https://courses.leeds.ac.uk/f921/accounting-and-finance-msc#applying
https://www.alliancembs.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/msc-accounting/entry-requirements/#course-profile
https://www.bath.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-2024/taught-postgraduate-courses/msc-accounting-and-finance/#entry-requirements

A better question is why would you want to do a master's in accounting when you want to go for charteredship?
To become a chartered accountant, you would need to pass all the relevant modules in a professional accounting qualification (not an academic degree). This usually involves 13-15 papers, depending on the individual qualification, + 3 years' relevant professional experience in an accounting role. You cannot get this through a degree.
It's also significantly cheaper and faster to qualify if you go straight into the professional qualification as opposed to doing the master's degree, which may or may not require you to have the qualification or passed at least the first 9 papers of the qualification in the first place.
Relevant professional qualifications to go for include ACA, ICAS, CAI, AIA, ACCA. ACA is preferred if you are based in England and/or Wales, but it's equivalent to ICAS and CAI. ACCA has worldwide recognition in 179 countries at the time of writing, but is less regarded in individual countries compared to their own qualifications e.g. ACA is more favoured than ACCA even though they practically contain the same material and you can do the same job with either (don't ask).
Entry requirements for professional accounting qualifications to become a chartered accountant: 2 passes at A Level in any subjects + adequate GCSE grades (including English and Maths). If you managed to get into a PPE degree, you're more than OK to go straight into a professional accounting qualification. You would ideally do the qualification whilst you work in an accounting role though e.g. working in one of the Big4 firms as a graduate in PPE is sufficient.
If you want to go straight into the career, you can even skip the PPE degree and apply with stellar A Level grades at an accounting practice.

Reply 2

Original post by MindMax2000
Yes, you can do a master's in accounting because some master's usually doesn't require your undergrad to be in specific subjects (you will need to shop for them though). See the following for example:
https://www.durham.ac.uk/business/courses/accounting-l1t509/#entry-requirements
https://www.napier.ac.uk/courses/msc-accounting-postgraduate-fulltime
https://www.gre.ac.uk/postgraduate-courses/bus/accfin#entry-requirements
https://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/Graduate/degree-programmes-2024/MSc-Accounting-Organisations-and-Institutions
https://www.tees.ac.uk/postgraduate_courses/accounting_&_economics/msc_accounting_and_finance.cfm
You might be able to get away applying to some universities since your PPE degree does cover economics. Ideally, you would have sufficient economics content in your degree to qualify. See the following for example (but do check with the individual university):
https://www.surrey.ac.uk/postgraduate/accounting-and-finance-msc
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/masters/finance-accounting/admissions/
https://courses.leeds.ac.uk/f921/accounting-and-finance-msc#applying
https://www.alliancembs.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/msc-accounting/entry-requirements/#course-profile
https://www.bath.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-2024/taught-postgraduate-courses/msc-accounting-and-finance/#entry-requirements
A better question is why would you want to do a master's in accounting when you want to go for charteredship?
To become a chartered accountant, you would need to pass all the relevant modules in a professional accounting qualification (not an academic degree). This usually involves 13-15 papers, depending on the individual qualification, + 3 years' relevant professional experience in an accounting role. You cannot get this through a degree.
It's also significantly cheaper and faster to qualify if you go straight into the professional qualification as opposed to doing the master's degree, which may or may not require you to have the qualification or passed at least the first 9 papers of the qualification in the first place.
Relevant professional qualifications to go for include ACA, ICAS, CAI, AIA, ACCA. ACA is preferred if you are based in England and/or Wales, but it's equivalent to ICAS and CAI. ACCA has worldwide recognition in 179 countries at the time of writing, but is less regarded in individual countries compared to their own qualifications e.g. ACA is more favoured than ACCA even though they practically contain the same material and you can do the same job with either (don't ask).
Entry requirements for professional accounting qualifications to become a chartered accountant: 2 passes at A Level in any subjects + adequate GCSE grades (including English and Maths). If you managed to get into a PPE degree, you're more than OK to go straight into a professional accounting qualification. You would ideally do the qualification whilst you work in an accounting role though e.g. working in one of the Big4 firms as a graduate in PPE is sufficient.
If you want to go straight into the career, you can even skip the PPE degree and apply with stellar A Level grades at an accounting practice.

Thank you so much for your reply! I’ve been looking everywhere for answers and this really helped me. So are you trying to say that I only need to get my bachelors degree and then go into an accounting firm? If so, how would I enter an accounting firm? Because I know I need to work for about 2-3 years before applying for chartered accountant. Would I need to enter through my university? Or on my own?

Also, do you think PPE would qualify me enough to enter an accounting firm, because it honestly hasn’t got much to do with accounting and I read somewhere that a PPE degree alone is pretty useless… what do you think about it?
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Original post by BennyBun
Thank you so much for your reply! I’ve been looking everywhere for answers and this really helped me. So are you trying to say that I only need to get my bachelors degree and then go into an accounting firm? If so, how would I enter an accounting firm? Because I know I need to work for about 2-3 years before applying for chartered accountant. Would I need to enter through my university? Or on my own?
Also, do you think PPE would qualify me enough to enter an accounting firm? Thank you.

So are you trying to say that I only need to get my bachelors degree and then go into an accounting firm?
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear: you only need to get your A Levels and then go into an accounting firm. You can have any degree you want (even a PhD), but they will only look at your A Levels in terms of qualifications.
The only time where they will require an accounting degree (undergrad or postgrad) would be if you work in the US or Canada, where they will require you to have done your degrees in a recognised US or Canadian university (as far as I know). These degrees can't be in PPE.

See the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_qualified_accountants#Audit_of_limited_companies (for the list of accounting qualifications; ignore CIPFA since that's only for roles in the public sector)
https://www.icaew.com/regulation/qualifications/aca-entry-routes
https://www.accaglobal.com/uk/en/qualifications/glance/acca/minimum-entrance.html
https://www.charteredaccountants.ie/Prospective-Students/Entry-Routes
https://www.icas.com/become-a-ca/routes-to-becoming-a-ca/how-to-become-a-chartered-accountant-ca-by-the-school-leaver-route (https://www.icas.com/become-a-ca/routes-to-becoming-a-ca/the-professional-entry-route)
https://www.aiaworldwide.com/aia-journey

If so, how would I enter an accounting firm?
You apply for an entry level role either as a college leaver or as a graduate (depending on whether you do a degree or not). They either have job openings listed on their website or they have graduate events. I would try to apply speculatively though medium sized firms though, since you might have more chance that way. I would also try to network as much as you can.

Because I know I need to work for about 2-3 years before applying for chartered accountant.
Why? You don't have to answer me, but the hiring manager would wonder why you would and how you can explain that gap. Those who are enthusiastic and really want the role would apply straight after college or their bachelor's degree, with many trying to secure internships, insight experiences, and work experiences at the firms throughout their studies.
Accounting is one of those jobs where they expect you to be passionate and jump with both feet in. If you aren't, expect a very short tenure.

Would I need to enter through my university? Or on my own?
This makes no sense. I have never come across any university in the world where they arrange your job application for you (unless you live in a country ran by a dictator and you are assigned jobs as opposed to being allowed to apply for what you want). You have to apply on your own.

do you think PPE would qualify me enough to enter an accounting firm?
If you look at the entry requirements of the qualifications above, a college leaver can enter an accounting firm in terms of qualifications. In fact, even if you have nothing at all and the accounting firm specifically is very enthusiastic about you, they can fund you to study AAT before telling you to study a professional accounting qualification. They even accept school leavers.
Your PPE is more than enough, not because of the degree per se as opposed to your A Levels and GCSEs(or equivalent).

If you want further information on becoming an accountant (relevant for the UK), see the following job profiles:
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/chartered-accountant
https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/private-practice-accountant
https://careerpilot.org.uk/job-sectors/finance-accounting/job-profile/private-practice-accountant
https://www.bpp.com/insights/chartered-accountant-job-profile
https://www.life-pilot.co.uk/job-sectors/finance-accounting/job-profile/private-practice-accountant
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Reply 4

Original post by MindMax2000
So are you trying to say that I only need to get my bachelors degree and then go into an accounting firm?
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear: you only need to get your A Levels and then go into an accounting firm. You can have any degree you want (even a PhD), but they will only look at your A Levels in terms of qualifications.
The only time where they will require an accounting degree (undergrad or postgrad) would be if you work in the US or Canada, where they will require you to have done your degrees in a recognised US or Canadian university (as far as I know). These degrees can't be in PPE.
See the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_qualified_accountants#Audit_of_limited_companies (for the list of accounting qualifications; ignore CIPFA since that's only for roles in the public sector)
https://www.icaew.com/regulation/qualifications/aca-entry-routes
https://www.accaglobal.com/uk/en/qualifications/glance/acca/minimum-entrance.html
https://www.charteredaccountants.ie/Prospective-Students/Entry-Routes
https://www.icas.com/become-a-ca/routes-to-becoming-a-ca/how-to-become-a-chartered-accountant-ca-by-the-school-leaver-route (https://www.icas.com/become-a-ca/routes-to-becoming-a-ca/the-professional-entry-route)
https://www.aiaworldwide.com/aia-journey
If so, how would I enter an accounting firm?
You apply for an entry level role either as a college leaver or as a graduate (depending on whether you do a degree or not). They either have job openings listed on their website or they have graduate events. I would try to apply speculatively though medium sized firms though, since you might have more chance that way. I would also try to network as much as you can.
Because I know I need to work for about 2-3 years before applying for chartered accountant.
Why? You don't have to answer me, but the hiring manager would wonder why you would and how you can explain that gap. Those who are enthusiastic and really want the role would apply straight after college or their bachelor's degree, with many trying to secure internships, insight experiences, and work experiences at the firms throughout their studies.
Accounting is one of those jobs where they expect you to be passionate and jump with both feet in. If you aren't, expect a very short tenure.
Would I need to enter through my university? Or on my own?
This makes no sense. I have never come across any university in the world where they arrange your job application for you (unless you live in a country ran by a dictator and you are assigned jobs as opposed to being allowed to apply for what you want). You have to apply on your own.
do you think PPE would qualify me enough to enter an accounting firm?
If you look at the entry requirements of the qualifications above, a college leaver can enter an accounting firm in terms of qualifications. In fact, even if you have nothing at all and the accounting firm specifically is very enthusiastic about you, they can fund you to study AAT before telling you to study a professional accounting qualification. They even accept school leavers.
Your PPE is more than enough, not because of the degree per se as opposed to your A Levels and GCSEs(or equivalent).

Hi, thank you so much!
By the 2-3 years I meant that I thought that was the minimum requirement to apply for chartered accountancy. Because I am planning to stay in the firm but then in the long run I will still be doing the exams to become a certified chartered accountant
Original post by BennyBun
Hi, thank you so much!
By the 2-3 years I meant that I thought that was the minimum requirement to apply for chartered accountancy. Because I am planning to stay in the firm but then in the long run I will still be doing the exams to become a certified chartered accountant

By the 2-3 years I meant that I thought that was the minimum requirement to apply for chartered accountancy.
Right this sounds confusing. The firm that you study and work at would be an accounting practice and you would be working under a chartered accountant in order to qualify as a chartered accountant (professional experience requirement). Once you qualify (after meeting professional experience requirement and passing all the papers for your professional accounting qualification), you can then either stay at the firm you worked at or go to a different firm. Most who train their junior accountants would look to have their employees stay with them (otherwise they lose out on the training at the benefit of other firms).

You don't need to work abroad to become a chartered accountant. Your own country normally has a professional accounting qualification that you can study as well as accounting firms that you can work at. This is similar for most countries around the world.

Can I clarify which country you are based in?

Reply 6

Original post by MindMax2000
By the 2-3 years I meant that I thought that was the minimum requirement to apply for chartered accountancy.
Right this sounds confusing. The firm that you study and work at would be an accounting practice and you would be working under a chartered accountant in order to qualify as a chartered accountant (professional experience requirement). Once you qualify (after meeting professional experience requirement and passing all the papers for your professional accounting qualification), you can then either stay at the firm you worked at or go to a different firm. Most who train their junior accountants would look to have their employees stay with them (otherwise they lose out on the training at the benefit of other firms).
You don't need to work abroad to become a chartered accountant. Your own country normally has a professional accounting qualification that you can study as well as accounting firms that you can work at. This is similar for most countries around the world.
Can I clarify which country you are based in?
Oh I’m in the UK; although I wonder if I decided to move countries after I got my CA qualification, would I still need to take other tests in other countries (as you mentioned before in places like Canada you do need a degree)
Original post by BennyBun
Oh I’m in the UK; although I wonder if I decided to move countries after I got my CA qualification, would I still need to take other tests in other countries (as you mentioned before in places like Canada you do need a degree)

Yeah, you do. Typically, you would need to take modules in the local corporate laws and local taxation. This applies, even if you do ACCA; you typically would also require to do 3 years' work experience in that country in order to fully qualify (law of the lands you see).

If you have qualifications in ACA, ICAS, CAI, AIA, etc. you might be able to convert it to the local equivalent (which would still rank higher than the ACCA), but you would still likely require to take the specific modules in law and tax. You will need to see the MRA (otherwise RMA) agreements between professional accounting qualifications between countries.
Which specific country do you intend to migrate to or work in?

Do note, no professional UK accounting qualification will allow you to work as a US CPA. However, US CPA does have an RMA with Canada CPA, which in turn have RMAs with ACA (go figure). If you intend to work as a US CPA right after uni, you would need to do a postgrad at a US university (not cheap) that has at least 150 hours/credits in accounting modules before you can apply for the state CPA exams of your choice.
Canada CPA does not have an RMA with ACCA unfortunately at the time of writing (they used to). In other words, ACCA isn't recognised for chartered accountancy in Canada.

If you work for one of the accounting firms with international offices (namely the Big4), they might allow you to move between offices if you have proved your worth to them.
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Original post by MindMax2000
Yeah, you do. Typically, you would need to take modules in the local corporate laws and local taxation. This applies, even if you do ACCA; you typically would also require to do 3 years' work experience in that country in order to fully qualify (law of the lands you see).
If you have qualifications in ACA, ICAS, CAI, AIA, etc. you might be able to convert it to the local equivalent (which would still rank higher than the ACCA), but you would still likely require to take the specific modules in law and tax.
Which specific country do you intend to migrate to or work in?
If you work for one of the accounting firms with international offices (namely the Big4), they might allow you to move between offices if you have proved your worth to them.
Oh I’m not really planning on moving anywhere but if I had to choose, I would probably go to Canada, although I think i will be in the UK for most of my life. So, do you recommend I do ACA (it’s the on I was already planning on doing) out of all them?
Original post by BennyBun
Oh I’m not really planning on moving anywhere but if I had to choose, I would probably go to Canada, although I think i will be in the UK for most of my life. So, do you recommend I do ACA (it’s the on I was already planning on doing) out of all them?

OK, I am not sure why you said that you intend to work abroad for 2-3 years then.

ACA is my go to if you intend to work as a chartered accountant in the UK. It's also handy because ICAEW (ACA's accounting body) has an RMA with CPA Canada i.e. you should be able to work in Canada with ACA if you do the necessary paperwork and get the necessary professional work experience.
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Reply 10

Original post by MindMax2000
OK, I am not sure why you said that you intend to work abroad for 2-3 years then.
ACA is my go to if you intend to work as a chartered accountant in the UK. It's also handy because ICAEW (ACA's accounting body) has an RMA with CPA Canada i.e. you should be able to work in Canada with ACA if you do the necessary paperwork and get the necessary professional work experience.
Okay thank you so much! Those are all my questions, and it really helped. I appreciate it.

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