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In terms of prestige and reputation for Law, Reading or Surrey?

I know that uni reputation matters a lot for law unfortunately, so I was wondering which of these uni’s would be better? I think for the Law course they have similar rankings, however in general uni ranks Surrey is around 14th whereas Reading is 35th. Would this mean that Surrey would be seen as more prestigious in law, therefore I would have a higher chance of getting into a very successful law firm? I understand that neither of them are Russel group, but that doesn’t really bother me. Any help is very appreciated, many thanks!
Original post by Carter03052
I know that uni reputation matters a lot for law unfortunately, so I was wondering which of these uni’s would be better? I think for the Law course they have similar rankings, however in general uni ranks Surrey is around 14th whereas Reading is 35th. Would this mean that Surrey would be seen as more prestigious in law, therefore I would have a higher chance of getting into a very successful law firm? I understand that neither of them are Russel group, but that doesn’t really bother me. Any help is very appreciated, many thanks!

The league table rankings you mention (14th and 35th) are a crude measure of how good a university is, overall, based upon whatever metrics the compiler of the table has opted to use. They will often use metrics which are easy to source and compare, for obvious reasons.

Nebulous qualities like "reputation" and "prestige" are not easy to measure. As a result, league table rankings are not a proxy for a measure of "reputation" or "prestige".

Neither Reading nor Surrey have a particular reputation for Law, that I'm aware of. So there is little point trying to pick between the two on that basis.

However, if you put a gun to my head, I'd say that Surrey slightly edges it.

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Original post by Carter03052
I know that uni reputation matters a lot for law unfortunately, so I was wondering which of these uni’s would be better? I think for the Law course they have similar rankings, however in general uni ranks Surrey is around 14th whereas Reading is 35th. Would this mean that Surrey would be seen as more prestigious in law, therefore I would have a higher chance of getting into a very successful law firm? I understand that neither of them are Russel group, but that doesn’t really bother me. Any help is very appreciated, many thanks!


I know that surrey does placements but research into it. I'm not sure if reading does. But yeah I'd choose surrey if its higher. Placements are also insightful and good because it gives you experience. So despite it not being Russel group its still good. Btw I know a girl who went to surrey and after graduating she worked at Herrington Carmichael for 4 years which is a decent law firm like its not magic circle but its pretty good and then she left to become an associate solicitor at Pennington Manches Cooper LLP. So anything is possible.

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If you are a good enough candidate, your choice of university will not significantly affect your career outcomes.

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Original post by DataVenia
The league table rankings you mention (14th and 35th) are a crude measure of how good a university is, overall, based upon whatever metrics the compiler of the table has opted to use. They will often use metrics which are easy to source and compare, for obvious reasons.
Nebulous qualities like "reputation" and "prestige" are not easy to measure. As a result, league table rankings are not a proxy for a measure of "reputation" or "prestige".
Neither Reading nor Surrey have a particular reputation for Law, that I'm aware of. So there is little point trying to pick between the two on that basis.
However, if you put a gun to my head, I'd say that Surrey slightly edges it.


Don’t rankings matter a lot though when it comes to how prestigious a university is? I just think that in order to be successful in law I should try and get every advantage I can get, so I might as well try and get into Surrey since it’s fairly higher ranked
Original post by Carter03052
Don’t rankings matter a lot though when it comes to how prestigious a university is? I just think that in order to be successful in law I should try and get every advantage I can get, so I might as well try and get into Surrey since it’s fairly higher ranked

Let me put it to you this way: if you walked into a dozen law firms and ask them which university was ranked higher between Reading and Surrey, I suspect most of them wouldn't have a clue.

It would seem to me that Surrey is a better uni than Reading for Law, and it therefore makes sense to try to gain entry to Surrey. However, as neither of these universities could be described as being "prestigious", you'd be choosing the better university - not the most prestigious university.

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Original post by DataVenia
Let me put it to you this way: if you walked into a dozen law firms and ask them which university was ranked higher between Reading and Surrey, I suspect most of them wouldn't have a clue.
It would seem to me that Surrey is a better uni than Reading for Law, and it therefore makes sense to try to gain entry to Surrey. However, as neither of these universities could be described as being "prestigious", you'd be choosing the better university - not the most prestigious university.


True but Surrey does offer a placement year which Reading doesn’t, which would probably be very beneficial
Original post by Carter03052
True but Surrey does offer a placement year which Reading doesn’t, which would probably be very beneficial

Agreed. :smile:

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Original post by Carter03052
True but Surrey does offer a placement year which Reading doesn’t, which would probably be very beneficial

I’m not sure about for law, but for my course (economics) they offer placement years at Reading

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Original post by Carter03052
Don’t rankings matter a lot though when it comes to how prestigious a university is? I just think that in order to be successful in law I should try and get every advantage I can get, so I might as well try and get into Surrey since it’s fairly higher ranked


Rankings do not matter. I doubt that any law firm or barristers' chambers pays much attention to them. My chambers pays the rankings no heed. The rankings are compiled using various crude measurements, some of which are just number crunches, and some of which are subjective. This forum tends to obsess about rankings, but they really aren't scientific or particularly meaningful.

In very broad terms, UK universities might perhaps be seen as falling into four or maybe five tiers, such as -

1.

Oxford and Cambridge;

2.

the big London universities (the largest constituent universities and colleges of the Federal University of London, plus Imperial);

3.

the rest of the Russell Group;

4.

non Russell Group universities established as universities;

5.

new universities that started as polytechnics.


But even that is a simplification. For example Oxford Brookes, a new university, is well thought of in a number of fields, and some would rank, say, Durham above, say, UCL and LSE for law, while others wouldn't. Tiers 2 and 3 above could perhaps be merged into one tier.

There is a self-perpetuating process by which some universities attract the most academically successful and promising students and get to pick and choose from those students. Those universities may also have the resources to attract distinguished academic staff, although good academics are found in many universities.

All this results in graduates of those universities being competitive when applying for jobs that require high academic standards, such as jobs in commercial law. Those graduates are hired not because they went to university X or Y but because of their individual qualities. They tend to be people who have done well in all or most levels of the UK education system.

Some law firms and barristers' chambers assess candidates university-blind. They don't do a sift on the basis of "let's reject everyone who did not go to a university ranked in the top ten of some arbitrary list".

As between Reading and Surrey, choose the one you like best and do not worry about perceived prestige. Good luck!
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Original post by Carter03052
Don’t rankings matter a lot though when it comes to how prestigious a university is? I just think that in order to be successful in law I should try and get every advantage I can get, so I might as well try and get into Surrey since it’s fairly higher ranked

In the QS world rankings Reading is actually located quite a bit higher than Surrey. Honestly, I think both of those Unis are pretty much the exact same in terms of prestige

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Other considerations: Brighton is a way cooler town than Reading, but both towns are close to London. I don't think that there is much to choose between the two universities. I have a chambers colleague who teaches at Reading and she's a star, but academics come and go.

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Original post by Stiffy Byng
Rankings do not matter. I doubt that any law firm or barristers' chambers pays much attention to them. My chambers pays the rankings no heed. The rankings are compiled using various crude measurements, some of which are just number crunches, and some of which are subjective. This forum tends to obsess about rankings, but they really aren't scientific or particularly meaningful.
In very broad terms, UK universities might perhaps be seen as falling into four or maybe five tiers, such as -

1.

Oxford and Cambridge;

2.

the big London universities (the largest constituent universities and colleges of the Federal University of London, plus Imperial);

3.

the rest of the Russell Group;

4.

non Russell Group universities established as universities;

5.

new universities that started as polytechnics.


But even that is a simplification. For example Oxford Brookes, a new university, is well thought of in a number of fields, and some would rank, say, Durham above, say, UCL and LSE for law, while others wouldn't. Tiers 2 and 3 above could perhaps be merged into one tier.
There is a self-perpetuating process by which some universities attract the most academically successful and promising students and get to pick and choose from those students. Those universities may also have the resources to attract distinguished academic staff, although good academics are found in many universities.
All this results in graduates of those universities being competitive when applying for jobs that require high academic standards, such as jobs in commercial law. Those graduates are hired not because they went to university X or Y but because of their individual qualities. They tend to be people who have done well in all or most levels of the UK education system.
Some law firms and barristers' chambers assess candidates university-blind. They don't do a sift on the basis of "let's reject everyone who did not go to a university ranked in the top ten of some arbitrary list".
As between Reading and Surrey, choose the one you like best and do not worry about perceived prestige. Good luck!


Thanks alot for the reply, it’s very helpful!Surrey does offer a placement year that Reading uni doesn’t tho, do you think that’ll help me be more employable and likely secure a TC or does it not really matter?

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Original post by Carter03052
I know that uni reputation matters a lot for law unfortunately, so I was wondering which of these uni’s would be better? I think for the Law course they have similar rankings, however in general uni ranks Surrey is around 14th whereas Reading is 35th. Would this mean that Surrey would be seen as more prestigious in law, therefore I would have a higher chance of getting into a very successful law firm? I understand that neither of them are Russel group, but that doesn’t really bother me. Any help is very appreciated, many thanks!

Hey @Carter03052,

Great to hear that you're considering Reading! As well as the existing advice given here, I would suggest that you also think about your wider student experience - not just socialising and accommodation, but also the work experience and skill development opportunities offered at the university you choose. Here at Reading we have a number of different opportunities that can help expand and round out your university career, from placements and internship schemes to part time jobs and our mentoring programme for second years, all of which you can find out about here, as well as a dedicated careers department to help you find something for you. I often find, talking to our grads and in my own experiences, that you get out what you put in, especially in instances where the universities you are looking at are so similar. Those who get extra experience where they can and choose unis with supportive student services are likely to be far more confident and experienced than those who don't!

Definitely visit both and see how you feel actually at the University - my visit to Reading and talking to staff and students, as well as just exploring the actual campus, is that really solidified it for me as a first choice. Also, make sure to cross-compare the modules you'll be studying - its so important to make sure you find them interesting as well as that they teach you a range of skills.

Hope this helps! Any questions please let us know!
Kat :smile:
MA Diplomacy Student

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Original post by Carter03052
Thanks alot for the reply, it’s very helpful!Surrey does offer a placement year that Reading uni doesn’t tho, do you think that’ll help me be more employable and likely secure a TC or does it not really matter?

It might help, but you can apply for summer placements, and they might do as much good for you as a longer placement.

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They're both pretty similar in terms of Law. Though I did go to a Surrey Summer School and found that it was done very well. You're going to have to go off of other factors like location (and opportunity for placement like you said).
Original post by Carter03052
I know that uni reputation matters a lot for law unfortunately, so I was wondering which of these uni’s would be better? I think for the Law course they have similar rankings, however in general uni ranks Surrey is around 14th whereas Reading is 35th. Would this mean that Surrey would be seen as more prestigious in law, therefore I would have a higher chance of getting into a very successful law firm? I understand that neither of them are Russel group, but that doesn’t really bother me. Any help is very appreciated, many thanks!

Hi there!

Reading previous comments, it seems like you're keen on Surrey from the get-go. When applying, I was also very keen on Surrey from the beginning. I then had an applicant day and, upon visiting the campus and town, just fell in love. More than prestige, what matters most when choosing a uni to study at is that you'll enjoy your time there - that might be the difference between graduating and not.

Therefore, make sure you take some time to visit both universities and get a feel for what studying there would be like, and if you enjoy the environment and town.

At Surrey, one of the strongest points for me is that the library is open 24/7, so I know I can go there whenever I feel like it. I know there are many universities where their libraries have certain opening hours, which can sometimes make studying for assignments more complicated than it needs to be. It's also located centrally on campus, so if you live in halls, it's never more than a 5-min walk away. Aside from the library, there are so many other buildings where students can go for quiet study, group work, and just socialising.

A bit about Guildford: the town centre is a 10-min walk from campus. It's a very peaceful town, but offers us as students all we need, be it shops, markets, parks, nightclubs, events, etc. There are 30-min links to central London, via the train station in the middle of town, which makes life very easy when travelling.

Feel free to read more about living here on the student life page.

Regarding your course, make sure you like the sound of the modules to be studied, as you'll feel more motivated if you're studying something you enjoy.

Let me know if you have any other questions, and I hope this helps 🙂

Marko
Accounting and Finance BSc

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