BBC seven-way election debate, 7th June 2024, 7:30pm

Reply 40

Talkative Toad

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by Wired_1800

Probably a fair bit

Especially from the Tories.

Reply 41

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I think that we need to see the cause of crimes and try to deal with those root issues.

Reply 42

SHallowvale

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That was surprisingly entertaining. The format of the debate was far better than the ITV debate on Tuesday. Giving candidates more than 45 seconds to deliver their point was excellent and there was enough time for them to properly tell people what they wanted to do.

Iorwerth did exceptionally well, I genuinely wasn't expecting a strong performance from him. Out of all the candidates he came across as the most welcoming and hopeful. Perhaps it's that soothing Welsh accent? 😁

Rayner held her position and fought off Mordaunt successfully, I can imagine Labour are very happy with how the debate went. She sounded slightly robotic at times but her counter attacks were swift and received positive reaction from the audience. Mordaunt performed okay but she was never able to land a blow on Labour, unlike Sunak who landed one or two in the 1-1 debate with Starmer. Her talking over Rayner, repeatedly, looked very bad. I imagine part of her involvement was just about positioning herself as the next potential leader.

Farage captivated the audience and got his points across about Reform, which will help him shore up more votes from the Conservatives (and maybe even Labour). Unlike previous debates he was not attacked nearly as much as he could have been. This may have been to his disadvantage since part of his politics is to claim victimhood and act like the underdog. His arguments were not nearly as inflammatory as I thought they would be.

I wasn't captivated much by Flynn, Denyer or Cooper. They all made valid points but they didn't seem to stick. Cooper and Denyer, in particular, came across as robotic and it sounded more like they were reading from a script or carefully rehearsed lines. That said, they both engaged with the audience quite well by responding directly to questions.

I don't think anyone 'won' that debate, but I'd rank Iorwerth, Rayner and Farage (in no order) as high contenders.

Reply 43

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by SHallowvale

That was surprisingly entertaining. The format of the debate was far better than the ITV debate on Tuesday. Giving candidates more than 45 seconds to deliver their point was excellent and there was enough time for them to properly tell people what they wanted to do.

Iorwerth did exceptionally well, I genuinely wasn't expecting a strong performance from him. Out of all the candidates he came across as the most welcoming and hopeful. Perhaps it's that soothing Welsh accent? 😁

Rayner held her position and fought off Mordaunt successfully, I can imagine Labour are very happy with how the debate went. She sounded slightly robotic at times but her counter attacks were swift and received positive reaction from the audience. Mordaunt performed okay but she was never able to land a blow on Labour, unlike Sunak who landed one or two in the 1-1 debate with Starmer. Her talking over Rayner, repeatedly, looked very bad. I imagine part of her involvement was just about positioning herself as the next potential leader.

Farage captivated the audience and got his points across about Reform, which will help him shore up more votes from the Conservatives (and maybe even Labour). Unlike previous debates he was not attacked nearly as much as he could have been. This may have been to his disadvantage since part of his politics is to claim victimhood and act like the underdog. His arguments were not nearly as inflammatory as I thought they would be.

I wasn't captivated much by Flynn, Denyer or Cooper. They all made valid points but they didn't seem to stick. Cooper and Denyer, in particular, came across as robotic and it sounded more like they were reading from a script or carefully rehearsed lines. That said, they both engaged with the audience quite well by responding directly to questions.

I don't think anyone 'won' that debate, but I'd rank Iorwerth, Rayner and Farage (in no order) as high contenders.

I don’t know about Rayner given that she dodged the question on pledges for example but this might be the first time that I’ve heard Farage speak some level of facts (That Labour and Conservative are two sides of the same coin, that the voting system needs reform, that people are voting for reform to revolt against the current system etc). That’s concerning for me given how much I hate the man.

Reply 44

SHallowvale

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by Talkative Toad

I don’t know about Rayner given that she dodged the question on pledges for example but this might be the first time that I’ve heard Farage speak some level of facts (That Labour and Conservative are two sides of the same coin, that the voting system needs reform, that people are voting for reform to revolt against the current system etc). That’s concerning for me given how much I hate the man.

Farage seems to have somewhat moderated his tone, which may be deliberate as he tries to normalise Reform as the second / third largest party (by percentage of the vote). I don't recall Rayner dodging many questions, though if she had it probably got drowned out by the back and forth between her and Mordaunt.

Reply 45

Wired_1800

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by Talkative Toad

Especially from the Tories.

I agree

Reply 46

Wired_1800

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by SHallowvale

Farage seems to have somewhat moderated his tone, which may be deliberate as he tries to normalise Reform as the second / third largest party (by percentage of the vote). I don't recall Rayner dodging many questions, though if she had it probably got drowned out by the back and forth between her and Mordaunt.

Rayner performed really well.

Reply 47

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by SHallowvale

Farage seems to have somewhat moderated his tone, which may be deliberate as he tries to normalise Reform as the second / third largest party (by percentage of the vote). I don't recall Rayner dodging many questions, though if she had it probably got drowned out by the back and forth between her and Mordaunt.

She dodged the question on pledges (that’s what I said) and didn’t mention that Labour has rolled back on some things such as the scrapping of tuition fees.

So did the other parties to be fair but yeah.

(edited 1 year ago)

Reply 48

Gazpacho.

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by SHallowvale

That was surprisingly entertaining. The format of the debate was far better than the ITV debate on Tuesday. Giving candidates more than 45 seconds to deliver their point was excellent and there was enough time for them to properly tell people what they wanted to do.
Iorwerth did exceptionally well, I genuinely wasn't expecting a strong performance from him. Out of all the candidates he came across as the most welcoming and hopeful. Perhaps it's that soothing Welsh accent? 😁
Rayner held her position and fought off Mordaunt successfully, I can imagine Labour are very happy with how the debate went. She sounded slightly robotic at times but her counter attacks were swift and received positive reaction from the audience. Mordaunt performed okay but she was never able to land a blow on Labour, unlike Sunak who landed one or two in the 1-1 debate with Starmer. Her talking over Rayner, repeatedly, looked very bad. I imagine part of her involvement was just about positioning herself as the next potential leader.
Farage captivated the audience and got his points across about Reform, which will help him shore up more votes from the Conservatives (and maybe even Labour). Unlike previous debates he was not attacked nearly as much as he could have been. This may have been to his disadvantage since part of his politics is to claim victimhood and act like the underdog. His arguments were not nearly as inflammatory as I thought they would be.
I wasn't captivated much by Flynn, Denyer or Cooper. They all made valid points but they didn't seem to stick. Cooper and Denyer, in particular, came across as robotic and it sounded more like they were reading from a script or carefully rehearsed lines. That said, they both engaged with the audience quite well by responding directly to questions.
I don't think anyone 'won' that debate, but I'd rank Iorwerth, Rayner and Farage (in no order) as high contenders.

Thanks for the comprehensive summary.

Reply 49

SHallowvale

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by Gazpacho.

Thanks for the comprehensive summary.

Thanks, I'd recommend watching it yourself if you have 90 minutes to spare (honestly didn't feel that long).

Reading comments online, some people have been quite receptive to Cooper and Deyner's performances. Personally I couldn't see it, but maybe that's just me.

Reply 50

Saracen's Fez

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I thought Daisy Cooper was pretty decent, she and what she was saying were pitched pretty well to the voters the LDs want to win over.

Reply 51

anarchism101

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For what it's worth, my take:

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Farage did what Farage always does. He's been doing the same schtick for a decade and a half now, nothing has really changed in what he says. Everyone paying attention already knows what he thinks and whether they like it or not, it's just a question of whether he can persuade some wavering Tory voters that they're already doomed so they might as well throw him their vote. Had surprisingly little to say in the early part of the debate, I think there was a good 10 minutes or so where the camera didn't even cut to him and I briefly forgot he was there.

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Rhun ap Iorwerth did OK, came across reasonably well in my opinion. Reasonably confident and made the most of the limited UK-wide media time he'll get.

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I think it was a real mistake for Ed Davey to dodge this one. Presumably it was because Sunak, Starmer and Swinney were all missing it too, and he felt that it would in some way devalue his leadership not to follow suit, but they have other platforms that he doesn't, and so he missed a big chance to get himself across, and I think his style would've actually worked well. Daisy Cooper didn't come across badly, but she seemed wooden, overly rehearsed, and the Coalition era is still heavy baggage for the Lib Dems that they have no response to.

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I was quite surprised that I found Stephen Flynn the strongest performer tonight. Knew his stuff, spoke softly but confidently, and seemed to make the strongest effort at empathetically connecting with the audience questioners.

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My verdict on Carla Denyer is similar to Cooper, just without some of the more significant flaws. A bit too wooden and overly rehearsed. Didn't make the most of the limited media coverage she's going to get.

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Rayner was fine, neither especially great nor especially bad. Did the job competently enough. From Labour's perspective given their huge polling lead, that'll more than do.

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Mordaunt performed stronger than I think Sunak would've, but that's a pretty low bar, and I still think she lost based on the fact that she interrupted and talked over other people just far too much. Also, whatever was going on with her hair was pretty distracting.