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The inequity of the Student Loans system

More than half of UK students working long hours in paid jobs | Students | The Guardian

"Experts said that the lack of maintenance support was creating a two-tier higher education system, with a widening divide between students who need to work long hours to survive while their better-off peers are free to concentrate on their studies and improve their grades."

The old grants system meant that those from poorer backgrounds got more cash - that they didnt have to pay back - and that those from wealthier families got limited cash that their better-off parents had to top-up..

Which system do you prefer.

Reply 1

Original post by McGinger
Which system do you prefer.

I think neither system is ideal. A better, fairer, system would be for there to be sufficient funding made available such that no student should have to work whilst studying merely to make ends meet. Not all better off families have the means to - nor even necessarily think that they should - support their adult children. Whether this funding should be in the form of loans rather than grants I am not sure.
Original post by McGinger
More than half of UK students working long hours in paid jobs | Students | The Guardian

"Experts said that the lack of maintenance support was creating a two-tier higher education system, with a widening divide between students who need to work long hours to survive while their better-off peers are free to concentrate on their studies and improve their grades."

The old grants system meant that those from poorer backgrounds got more cash - that they didnt have to pay back - and that those from wealthier families got limited cash that their better-off parents had to top-up..

Which system do you prefer.

Re: last paragraph

I’d say that the biggest issue are middle class families, not working class families who can get the max loan (or at least loan that covers rent) or upper class families who have more than enough money to financially support their children at university (assuming that the upper class family does this).


It’s the middle class who are being screwed over by the system the most in my opinion (I’m not saying this because I’m middle class, I’m saying this because a lot of us find ourselves in a position where we’re pretty much only entitled to the minimum loan or at least a loan that doesn’t even cover rent, but our parents do not have or want to have the financial means to support us). What does that mean then? (Not getting max loan and not having parents support you), you have to work.

Thankfully I’m in a position where parent is willing to financially support me (and would be ashamed if they didn’t) but many parents simply have the mindset of no longer supporting their children once they are an adult or they genuinely can’t afford to support their children at university.

Reply 3

Students from lower income families end up paying back far more loan than others - simply because they have had to borrow more. That works like an extra tax on those kids in their 20s/30s in a way that doesnt happen to those from wealthier families who have borrowed less.
Original post by McGinger
Students from lower income families end up paying back far more loan than others - simply because they have had to borrow more. That works like an extra tax on those kids in their 20s/30s in a way that doesnt happen to those from wealthier families who have borrowed less.

That’s true as well to be fair but you can live off of the max loan at university (or at least you should be able to theoretically) and it’s more of a tax as you say.

I think that the maintenance loan system needs fixing due the issues that I’ve mentioned above. I’ve seen too many cases (to the point where it almost seems to be the norm) of people getting the minimum maintenance loan who just can’t afford to go to university as a result of that or they are having to balance working 10+ hours a week whilst doing a full time degree.

I’m very thankful that despite getting the minimum loan I’m still being financially supported by other means that isn’t me getting a job but I’ve seen many other students who aren’t this position so are having to get a part time job because the loan doesn’t even cover rent or they frequently go into overdraft.

Reply 5

There is also the issue that those at London Unis can borrow more - on the basis of higher costs.
Since many places are now as expensive to live in as London (Bristol as one example) this binary needs to be replaced with 'higher cost', 'medium cost, 'low cost' bandings - whether its loans or grants.
Original post by McGinger
There is also the issue that those at London Unis can borrow more - on the basis of higher costs.
Since many places are now as expensive to live in as London (Bristol as one example) this binary needs to be replaced with 'higher cost', 'medium cost, 'low cost' bandings - whether its loans or grants.


I agree, the cost of living somewhere like Guildford or Edinburgh is clearly going to be more expensive than the cost of living somewhere like Birmingham or Coventry yet the maintenance loan is not higher for the former areas and is the same for all four areas.
(edited 1 year ago)

Reply 7

Original post by McGinger
More than half of UK students working long hours in paid jobs | Students | The Guardian
"Experts said that the lack of maintenance support was creating a two-tier higher education system, with a widening divide between students who need to work long hours to survive while their better-off peers are free to concentrate on their studies and improve their grades."
The old grants system meant that those from poorer backgrounds got more cash - that they didnt have to pay back - and that those from wealthier families got limited cash that their better-off parents had to top-up..
Which system do you prefer.


I think there has always been issues with the Maintenance loan system for many different people.

I can only speak on the perspective of someone from a poor family.

My parents make more now than they did when I was a child but still make quite below the average income.

First
As someone who grew up where for period of time we had no electricity or heating and were splitting two pieces of bread between the four of us for dinner. It’s hard to imagine a different life. A lot of people I know from a similar background didn’t go to university as the idea of how much they would have to pay back being so daunting especially because being from a lower income family entitles you to more money. As they struggled to imagine a life where they would be financially stable

Second
The maintenance loan system is just not made for those who have self employed parent/s especially if all parents they have are self employed. This can lead to those who don’t have family who can sufficiently financially support them being given a lower loan than what they need to live

Third
Maintenance loan is partly based on whether or not you are studying(out of the home) in or outside of London.
E.g. if your household income (net income pre tax) is £65000. Studying out of London you are entitled to about £4,767. Studying in London you are entitled to about £7,405. This is obviously a big differences. But there is nothing to account for if your household lives in London and you are studying out of London

Fourth
There is little to no consideration for many household expenses that others on the same yearly income many not have. E.g. other children in the household, medication and medical expenses, long term/ chronic illnesses or chronic pain affecting the ability to work, parents not willing to financially support and much more. These are all expenses that are necessities/ completely out of the students control

Fifth
For students who qualify for a DSA. There is nothing to account for if the disability makes you unable work while in full time study. So if you have serve dyslexia and ADHD. This may mean the amount of time you have to take for work/study is much higher and you may not be able to work without your studies suffering. This may cause issues with affording rent, food and others. These would not be things a person could use their DSA for

And more much.
Obviously a Loan cannot account for every little thing. But would be very beneficial if there was an option for a personal assessment for those who may have issues that affect their finances that aren’t covered by other financial aid

Though not necessarily relevant there is also many things a DSA does not account for that a maintenance loan would then have to cover.
Original post by MiaALD91
I think there has always been issues with the Maintenance loan system for many different people.

I can only speak on the perspective of someone from a poor family.

My parents make more now than they did when I was a child but still make quite below the average income.

First
As someone who grew up where for period of time we had no electricity or heating and were splitting two pieces of bread between the four of us for dinner. It’s hard to imagine a different life. A lot of people I know from a similar background didn’t go to university as the idea of how much they would have to pay back being so daunting especially because being from a lower income family entitles you to more money. As they struggled to imagine a life where they would be financially stable

Second
The maintenance loan system is just not made for those who have self employed parent/s especially if all parents they have are self employed. This can lead to those who don’t have family who can sufficiently financially support them being given a lower loan than what they need to live

Third
Maintenance loan is partly based on whether or not you are studying(out of the home) in or outside of London.
E.g. if your household income (net income pre tax) is £65000. Studying out of London you are entitled to about £4,767. Studying in London you are entitled to about £7,405. This is obviously a big differences. But there is nothing to account for if your household lives in London and you are studying out of London

Fourth
There is little to no consideration for many household expenses that others on the same yearly income many not have. E.g. other children in the household, medication and medical expenses, long term/ chronic illnesses or chronic pain affecting the ability to work, parents not willing to financially support and much more. These are all expenses that are necessities/ completely out of the students control

Fifth
For students who qualify for a DSA. There is nothing to account for if the disability makes you unable work while in full time study. So if you have serve dyslexia and ADHD. This may mean the amount of time you have to take for work/study is much higher and you may not be able to work without your studies suffering. This may cause issues with affording rent, food and others. These would not be things a person could use their DSA for

And more much.
Obviously a Loan cannot account for every little thing. But would be very beneficial if there was an option for a personal assessment for those who may have issues that affect their finances that aren’t covered by other financial aid

Though not necessarily relevant there is also many things a DSA does not account for that a maintenance loan would then have to cover.

I understand that having kids is a choice but it always baffles me that number of children isn’t fully taken into account when it comes to the loan along with location. Earning £60K a year in London is not the same as £60K in say Nottingham for example (at least I’m assuming that the cost of living is much higher in London compared to Nottingham but I might be wrong).

Reply 9

Original post by McGinger
More than half of UK students working long hours in paid jobs | Students | The Guardian
"Experts said that the lack of maintenance support was creating a two-tier higher education system, with a widening divide between students who need to work long hours to survive while their better-off peers are free to concentrate on their studies and improve their grades."
The old grants system meant that those from poorer backgrounds got more cash - that they didnt have to pay back - and that those from wealthier families got limited cash that their better-off parents had to top-up..
Which system do you prefer.

The new system is much fairer on those without a degree, who typically earn less than those with a degree.
I also think that British nationals (at least all those born in the UK and those who are descendants of UK Nationals born in the UK and also have British citizenship) should automatically be entitled to home status fees rather the current system.

But I guess the fact that each nation within the UK uses a slightly different system makes this more complex.
(edited 1 year ago)

Reply 11

Original post by Quady
The new system is much fairer on those without a degree, who typically earn less than those with a degree.

Controlling for all other factors, yes. In practice, there are messy complicating trends, such as the fact that those with degrees skew young, and younger workers tend to earn less than their older counterparts.

Reply 12

Original post by anarchism101
Controlling for all other factors, yes. In practice, there are messy complicating trends, such as the fact that those with degrees skew young, and younger workers tend to earn less than their older counterparts.

Controlling for all other factors is looking at it in practise...

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