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Chemistry bachelor’s, master’s, or integrated master’s?

Hello, this is my first time starting a thread, so please bear with me.

I am a sixth form student taking Chemistry, Maths, and Physics. I would like to study Chemistry at university, but I’m unsure of whether I should:

1) Go for a Bachelor’s with a placement year
2) Do an integrated Master’s (not sure about a placement year)
3) Do a Bachelor’s with a placement year, then get a Master’s later on

Just in case you need some more information, I am predicted A*AA (the A* is in physics) and would like to go into toxicology.
If anyone could shed light on this topic, it would be very much appreciated!
Hi, I've moved your thread to the chemistry forum :smile:

I believe there are some MChem/MSci courses with placement years (or placement periods, sometimes instead of a year it's 6 months over one term and a summer - still valuable). I would probably suggest aiming for the MChem/MSci courses with placement year, as it's relatively straightforward to switch to the BSc if you want when you're on the course.

It also has a much better funding model than doing a separate postgraduate masters afterwards - for the MChem/similar integrated masters, it's funded as an undergraduate degree throughout. So you get full tuition fee loan, and a maintenance loan for your costs, etc. There may also be some bursaries available from the university if you are from a low income background. Also the tuition fees are capped.

For a separate postgraduate masters though, you only get a single loan of up to around £10k to cover all tuition fees and maintenance costs. And tuition fees for masters courses are not capped and unis can charge as much as they think people will pay for them. Very often the masters loan won't even fully cover the tuition fees of a masters course.

Hence, I personally would suggest the integrated masters with placement year route. If there are some unis that you really want to apply to but the placement is only available on the bachelors you can always apply to both that course and the integrated masters courses elsewhere, and then make a decision once you get offers in :h:
Original post by Janjanyaa
Hello, this is my first time starting a thread, so please bear with me.
I am a sixth form student taking Chemistry, Maths, and Physics. I would like to study Chemistry at university, but I’m unsure of whether I should:
1) Go for a Bachelor’s with a placement year
2) Do an integrated Master’s (not sure about a placement year)
3) Do a Bachelor’s with a placement year, then get a Master’s later on
Just in case you need some more information, I am predicted A*AA (the A* is in physics) and would like to go into toxicology.
If anyone could shed light on this topic, it would be very much appreciated!

Hiya,

It's great that your thinking ahead about your university studies and career path in chemistry. There are several factors to consider when applying to university courses like you've outlined, especially with your interest in toxicology.

A placement year gives you hands-on experience in the industry which is very valuable. It will also allow you to begin to form a professional network. However it is important to remember these placements are not guaranteed and you would need to interview for the placement. Also, there are other ways to gain experience such as through summer internships.

An integrated masters with or without a placement year would provide you with a more advanced knowledge of chemistry, which may be beneficial for specialised fields like toxicology. Also, the degree often includes a large research project which will provide you with beneficial practical skills. It can be more time-efficient and sometimes more cost-effective than doing a masters and a bachelors separately. The fourth year of an MChem degree is funded by the government the same way as an undergraduate degree whereas you would receive a postgraduate loan if you did a stand-alone masters. This may be important to consider if you are relying on student loans.

The pros of doing a bachelors would be the flexibility it affords to you as you may choose to work after completing a BSc, before continuing your studies. You could choose a masters program that is specifically tailored to your career interests in toxicology. However, this could take longer.

Given your interest in toxicology and strong predicted grades, you may benefit from an integrated masters program that includes a placement year. This would give you in-depth knowledge, practical experience and a streamlined path into your chosen field. However, if you prefer more flexibility or are not entirely sure about committing to a Master's right away, starting with a BSc with a placement year and deciding on further study later could also be a great option.

It is important to research specific programs and speak with students or professionals in the field of toxicology or careers advisors. They can all provide insight and advice to your specific situation.

Good luck with your studies
-Beth (Lancaster Student Ambassador)

Reply 3

Original post by artful_lounger
Hi, I've moved your thread to the chemistry forum :smile:
I believe there are some MChem/MSci courses with placement years (or placement periods, sometimes instead of a year it's 6 months over one term and a summer - still valuable). I would probably suggest aiming for the MChem/MSci courses with placement year, as it's relatively straightforward to switch to the BSc if you want when you're on the course.
It also has a much better funding model than doing a separate postgraduate masters afterwards - for the MChem/similar integrated masters, it's funded as an undergraduate degree throughout. So you get full tuition fee loan, and a maintenance loan for your costs, etc. There may also be some bursaries available from the university if you are from a low income background. Also the tuition fees are capped.
For a separate postgraduate masters though, you only get a single loan of up to around £10k to cover all tuition fees and maintenance costs. And tuition fees for masters courses are not capped and unis can charge as much as they think people will pay for them. Very often the masters loan won't even fully cover the tuition fees of a masters course.
Hence, I personally would suggest the integrated masters with placement year route. If there are some unis that you really want to apply to but the placement is only available on the bachelors you can always apply to both that course and the integrated masters courses elsewhere, and then make a decision once you get offers in :h:

Thank you so much for the reply!
I was initially planning to look for an integrated masters course with a placement year. The reason why I’m now reconsidering is because I’m not sure if I can get through 5 years of university, especially because the longer I study, the later I’ll be able to find a full-time job. Do you believe the benefits of doing an integrated masters with a placement year override this logic?

Reply 4

Original post by Lancaster Student Ambassador
Hiya,
It's great that your thinking ahead about your university studies and career path in chemistry. There are several factors to consider when applying to university courses like you've outlined, especially with your interest in toxicology.
A placement year gives you hands-on experience in the industry which is very valuable. It will also allow you to begin to form a professional network. However it is important to remember these placements are not guaranteed and you would need to interview for the placement. Also, there are other ways to gain experience such as through summer internships.
An integrated masters with or without a placement year would provide you with a more advanced knowledge of chemistry, which may be beneficial for specialised fields like toxicology. Also, the degree often includes a large research project which will provide you with beneficial practical skills. It can be more time-efficient and sometimes more cost-effective than doing a masters and a bachelors separately. The fourth year of an MChem degree is funded by the government the same way as an undergraduate degree whereas you would receive a postgraduate loan if you did a stand-alone masters. This may be important to consider if you are relying on student loans.
The pros of doing a bachelors would be the flexibility it affords to you as you may choose to work after completing a BSc, before continuing your studies. You could choose a masters program that is specifically tailored to your career interests in toxicology. However, this could take longer.
Given your interest in toxicology and strong predicted grades, you may benefit from an integrated masters program that includes a placement year. This would give you in-depth knowledge, practical experience and a streamlined path into your chosen field. However, if you prefer more flexibility or are not entirely sure about committing to a Master's right away, starting with a BSc with a placement year and deciding on further study later could also be a great option.
It is important to research specific programs and speak with students or professionals in the field of toxicology or careers advisors. They can all provide insight and advice to your specific situation.
Good luck with your studies
-Beth (Lancaster Student Ambassador)

Hi, thank you very much for your reply!
I’ll definitely try to get in touch with toxicologists and my careers advisor. And yes, doing an integrated masters would be much more economically viable for me. Thank you for the advice.
Original post by Janjanyaa
Thank you so much for the reply!
I was initially planning to look for an integrated masters course with a placement year. The reason why I’m now reconsidering is because I’m not sure if I can get through 5 years of university, especially because the longer I study, the later I’ll be able to find a full-time job. Do you believe the benefits of doing an integrated masters with a placement year override this logic?


Remember though that placement year isn't studying at university, it's being in a full time job. So it's no different to doing the MChem in the first place (without placement year) then going straight into work - although the placement year may considerably help you in securing a graduate job in the first place!

Reply 6

Original post by artful_lounger
Remember though that placement year isn't studying at university, it's being in a full time job. So it's no different to doing the MChem in the first place (without placement year) then going straight into work - although the placement year may considerably help you in securing a graduate job in the first place!

That is a good point, thank you. I’ll keep that in mind.

Reply 7

Original post by Janjanyaa
Hello, this is my first time starting a thread, so please bear with me.
I am a sixth form student taking Chemistry, Maths, and Physics. I would like to study Chemistry at university, but I’m unsure of whether I should:
1) Go for a Bachelor’s with a placement year
2) Do an integrated Master’s (not sure about a placement year)
3) Do a Bachelor’s with a placement year, then get a Master’s later on
Just in case you need some more information, I am predicted A*AA (the A* is in physics) and would like to go into toxicology.
If anyone could shed light on this topic, it would be very much appreciated!

If you want the best job prospects, to do something like research in toxicology you will probs need to a masters. The integrated masters would be best as you need to really do a masters to get a decent job in research and it sets you up for a phD later down the line if you want to go down that path. SFE will also finance the integrated masters so you won't have to pay. See if you can do courses with a masters AND a placement, if you want to go down the masters route as it breaks up the course a bit and can get some money behind you.

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