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Labour will rectify Conservative Damage

Labour will probably clean their mess, but the damage has been done. They'll probably stay in power even in the next election

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Reply 1

It is harder to build than to destroy. We have had fourteen years of corruption, incompetence, and cruelty. Millions plunged into poverty, the UK's international standing trashed, rivers full of sewage, unearned wealth for Tory cronies, open corruption, racism, and xenophobia. Now we will get competence, public service ethos, and transparency. The mess left by the Tories is enormous, but things can only get better.
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Reply 2

Obviously I want them to succeed because that will mean Britain will improve after it was deliberately run into the ground by the Conservatives those who voted for them over the last 14 years but it will be difficult to magic up the productivity improvements we need to drive economic growth.

Reply 3

Brexit is the Elephant in the Room. Brexit cripples growth

Reply 4

Original post by Stiffy Byng
It is harder to build than to destroy. We have had fourteen years of corruption, incompetence, and cruelty. Millions plunged into poverty, the UK's international standing trashed, rivers full of sewage, unearned wealth for Tory cronies, open corruption, racism, and xenophobia. Now we will get competence, public service ethos, and transparency. The mess left by the Tories is enormous, but things can only get better.

I'm more cynical about what the new government will offer. I see very little incoming competence, certainly not on a par with the new Labour government in 1997.

Reply 5

Original post by ageshallnot
I'm more cynical about what the new government will offer. I see very little incoming competence, certainly not on a par with the new Labour government in 1997.


True. They're just at the other end of the spectrum, both pretty extreme. Both parties are there to amplify the black and white perception. After 14 years of conservatism in this country, all of a sudden, we want leftists coming into power? No, but that's just the other option which at the moment is BETTER than the tories and all their... events during covid make them much of a disgrace. After they're done with rectifying that mess, there's actually a lot of room to throw them out in public favour with their typical ideas, but idk how much of that is coming to play

Reply 6

Original post by ageshallnot
I'm more cynical about what the new government will offer. I see very little incoming competence, certainly not on a par with the new Labour government in 1997.


This is my stand too on the new government, let’s see what they have in place though.

Reply 7

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Brexit is the Elephant in the Room. Brexit cripples growth


I don't think we'll go back to the EU anytime soon

Reply 8

Original post by KeyKaLearner
True. They're just at the other end of the spectrum, both pretty extreme. Both parties are there to amplify the black and white perception. After 14 years of conservatism in this country, all of a sudden, we want leftists coming into power? No, but that's just the other option which at the moment is BETTER than the tories and all their... events during covid make them much of a disgrace. After they're done with rectifying that mess, there's actually a lot of room to throw them out in public favour with their typical ideas, but idk how much of that is coming to play

Labour are centre left, not extremists.

Reply 9

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Labour are centre left, not extremists.

Particularly the Starmer version.

Reply 10

the result speaks less about labours ability to govern this country but more about the incompetence of the conservatives imo; I don't think labour's gonna be able to clean up the mess... besides with which plans

Reply 11

Original post by JVorJrose
the result speaks less about labours ability to govern this country but more about the incompetence of the conservatives imo; I don't think labour's gonna be able to clean up the mess... besides with which plans

More about the divisions within those with conservative leanings.

Reply 12

Original post by KeyKaLearner
Labour will probably clean their mess, but the damage has been done. They'll probably stay in power even in the next election

Nope

Labour are the same as Tories. One and the same party.

Two halves of the same Establishment coin

Labour wear red, Tories wear Blue. The differences end there.

It's the UNIPARTY, the same thing.

Labour will simply continue the country destroying agendas of the Davos Group, Bilderbergers and WEF and Gates et al.

All of them sock-puppets for the technocratic elite. They sold their souls a long time ago for their "ticket to ride" in the coming new order, the "One World Government" and "One World Currency" and the Orwellian dystopian Marxist/Communist totalitarian state that comes with it.

Expect a re-run of the pandemic but with much harsher response this time around.

Expect sock-puppet Starmer to eradicate Freedom Of Speech completely via legislation
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to bring in Blasphemy Laws
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to completely open the flood gates for mass immigration thereby totaly destroying British culture and making Brits a minority in their own country
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to do everything possible to destroy democracy here and put us back under the kosh of the unelectable and unaccountable EU despots
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to have his strings pulled by the (imo) traitor BLiar
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to usher in the digital currency and do everything possible to make us a cashless society

It's going to be far worse than the Tories

We had one chance to rid ourselves of this utterly corrupt fake 2-party political system. We failed.

The UK electorate deserve all the angst, pain, tribulation and destruction that it has now reaped and unwittingly voted for.

The 2029 election will be the very last hope to salvage anything.
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Reply 13

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth
Nope
Labour are the same as Tories. One and the same party.
Two halves of the same Establishment coin
Labour wear red, Tories wear Blue. The differences end there.
It's the UNIPARTY, the same thing.
Labour will simply continue the country destroying agendas of the Davos Group, Bilderbergers and WEF and Gates et al.
All of them sock-puppets for the technocratic elite. They sold their souls a long time ago for their "ticket to ride" in the coming new order, the "One World Government" and "One World Currency" and the Orwellian dystopian Marxist/Communist totalitarian state that comes with it.
Expect a re-run of the pandemic but with much harsher response this time around.
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to eradicate Freedom Of Speech completely via legislation
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to bring in Blasphemy Laws
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to completely open the flood gates for mass immigration thereby totaly destroying British culture and making Brits a minority in their own country
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to do everything possible to destroy democracy here and put us back under the kosh of the unelectable and unaccountable EU despots
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to have his strings pulled by the (imo) traitor BLiar
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to usher in the digital currency and do everything possible to make us a cashless society
It's going to be far worse than the Tories
We had one chance to rid ourselves of this utterly corrupt fake 2-party political system. We failed.
The UK electorate deserve all the angst, pain, tribulation and destruction that it has now reaped and unwittingly voted for.
The 2029 election will be the very last hope to salvage anything.

I agree with all of this, but some others like 2WheelGod would say otherwise... guy's mad that reform got seats lol

Reply 14

It is the electorate that should be mad with anger.

Reform UK get 4 million + votes and only 4 seats
Lib Dems get 3.5 million votes and 71 seats
SNP get only 708,759 votes and get 9 seats

It's a total farce.

Reply 15

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth
Nope
Labour are the same as Tories. One and the same party.
Two halves of the same Establishment coin
Labour wear red, Tories wear Blue. The differences end there.
It's the UNIPARTY, the same thing.
Labour will simply continue the country destroying agendas of the Davos Group, Bilderbergers and WEF and Gates et al.
All of them sock-puppets for the technocratic elite. They sold their souls a long time ago for their "ticket to ride" in the coming new order, the "One World Government" and "One World Currency" and the Orwellian dystopian Marxist/Communist totalitarian state that comes with it.
Expect a re-run of the pandemic but with much harsher response this time around.
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to eradicate Freedom Of Speech completely via legislation
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to bring in Blasphemy Laws
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to completely open the flood gates for mass immigration thereby totaly destroying British culture and making Brits a minority in their own country
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to do everything possible to destroy democracy here and put us back under the kosh of the unelectable and unaccountable EU despots
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to have his strings pulled by the (imo) traitor BLiar
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to usher in the digital currency and do everything possible to make us a cashless society
It's going to be far worse than the Tories
We had one chance to rid ourselves of this utterly corrupt fake 2-party political system. We failed.
The UK electorate deserve all the angst, pain, tribulation and destruction that it has now reaped and unwittingly voted for.
The 2029 election will be the very last hope to salvage anything.

Let’s look at Reform MPs:

Farage. Former Conservative member. Wealth member of the establishment. Extensive connections with those in the MSM.

Tice: multimillionaire property developer and member of the establishment. Former Conservative Party donor.

Anderson: former member of the Labour Party, former member of the Conservative Party. Works for the establishment funded GB News.

Lowe: Wealthy financer, member of the establishment, and failed football chairman.

Can you offer an insight into why Reform voters claim to be anti-establishment but back establishment figures?

It shows the same poor judgment as to be claiming to be opposed to immigration but voting for the pro-immigration Conservative Party.
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Reply 16

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth
Nope
Labour are the same as Tories. One and the same party.
Two halves of the same Establishment coin
Labour wear red, Tories wear Blue. The differences end there.
It's the UNIPARTY, the same thing.
Labour will simply continue the country destroying agendas of the Davos Group, Bilderbergers and WEF and Gates et al.
All of them sock-puppets for the technocratic elite. They sold their souls a long time ago for their "ticket to ride" in the coming new order, the "One World Government" and "One World Currency" and the Orwellian dystopian Marxist/Communist totalitarian state that comes with it.
Expect a re-run of the pandemic but with much harsher response this time around.
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to eradicate Freedom Of Speech completely via legislation
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to bring in Blasphemy Laws
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to completely open the flood gates for mass immigration thereby totaly destroying British culture and making Brits a minority in their own country
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to do everything possible to destroy democracy here and put us back under the kosh of the unelectable and unaccountable EU despots
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to have his strings pulled by the (imo) traitor BLiar
Expect sock-puppet Starmer to usher in the digital currency and do everything possible to make us a cashless society
It's going to be far worse than the Tories
We had one chance to rid ourselves of this utterly corrupt fake 2-party political system. We failed.
The UK electorate deserve all the angst, pain, tribulation and destruction that it has now reaped and unwittingly voted for.
The 2029 election will be the very last hope to salvage anything.

Your posts read like they are written in a Russian bot/troll farm. Weather any good in Omsk?

The fantasy that the UK will be saved by a seedy pub racist called Nigel is hilarious.

Reply 17

Original post by Gazpacho.
Let’s look at Reform MPs:
Farage. Former Conservative member. Wealth member of the establishment. Extensive connections with those in the MSM.
Tice: multimillionaire property developer and member of the establishment. Former Conservative Party donor.
Anderson: former member of the Labour Party, former member of the Conservative Party. Works for the establishment funded GB News.
Lowe: Wealthy financer, member of the establishment, and failed football chairman.
Can you offer an insight into why Reform voters claim to be anti-establishment but back establishment figures?
It shows the same poor judgment as to be claiming to be opposed to immigration but voting for the pro-immigration Conservative Party.

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/01/18/reform-uk-limited-the-political-business-brought-to-you-by-billionaires/

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Reply 19

Original post by ageshallnot
I'm more cynical about what the new government will offer. I see very little incoming competence, certainly not on a par with the new Labour government in 1997.

Yes, if you look at Labour's cabinet there is very little genuine "talent" there. They are making all the right noises about what they want to do to improve society, but talk is cheap and we'll see what happens over the next few months - the cost of living "crisis" isn't going away; there are thousands of migrants queuing up on the shores of France ready to test Labour's seriousness on immigration policy; and Labour have been "tricked" by the Tories into ruling out rises in income tax, NI and VAT, which gives them next to no flexibility on transforming public services - you can't fund everything from non-doms and private schools.

Here's a quick checklist of what could go wrong financially in the short term - let's see how this plays out and where the money's coming from:
35% pay rises for junior doctors
15% pay rises for ASLEF
compensating the victims of the infected blood scandal (£billions?)
compensating the WASPI women in full
compensating the subpostmasters / subpostmistresses
bailing out bankrupt councils / local authorities at the taxpayers' expense - Birmingham won't be the last
bailing out universities that are either going bust or facing mass staff layouts

Also remember that 2 years ago, Boris Johnson argued that National Insurance needed to rise to address NHS backlogs and social care obligations. That rise was backed by both Tories and Labour. But that rise was cancelled out by Jeremy Hunt's 2% cut in NI, and then followed by another 2% cut earlier this year. That's 4% funding gone from the NHS, social care and people's state pensions in the future. Where's that money going to come from?

I think things are going to get very messy very soon :smile:

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