Is reform UK racist?
I read something in their manifesto about increasing foreign workers national insurance and encouraging companies to employ Brits.
I myself am English but most doctors I see in the nhs are foreign and they do a great job with what they have.
My flat cleaner is polish, does a great job. The cleaners I’ve employed before constantly cancelled and cut corners.
I understand the concern for illegal immigration but can someone please explain what on earth is wrong with a working multi cultural society? I don’t understand!
I myself am English but most doctors I see in the nhs are foreign and they do a great job with what they have.
My flat cleaner is polish, does a great job. The cleaners I’ve employed before constantly cancelled and cut corners.
I understand the concern for illegal immigration but can someone please explain what on earth is wrong with a working multi cultural society? I don’t understand!
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Reply 1
https://youtu.be/mfyiSk8Rjc8?feature=shared
Farage is an absolute cretin, leading fellow cretins.
Farage is an absolute cretin, leading fellow cretins.
Reply 2
How anyone can say reform uk Ltd are not racist with a straight face is beyond me. Nobody is stopping me being British or suppressing my culture. Stop spouting twaddle. The only people who think that are weak gammons who are scared of anyone not white.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
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Reply 3
The UK is a multicultural society and has been for very many decades. Reform talk about 'preserving English culture' (not "British" culture, interestingly) but can never describe what 'English' culture actually is.
There is a reason for this. "Multiculturalism" is a dog whistle to racists within the Reform party. They cannot openly say that they don't like non-white people, else everyone will rightfully **** on them, but they can use a weaker sounding dog whistle to appeal to their racist base.
Is Reform, as a whole, a racist party? No, I don't believe so, but they know that a large proportion of their voters are racist and they have to make appeals to them. To use paraphrase a quote from The Simpsons, Reform are 'not racists, but #1 with racists'.
There is a reason for this. "Multiculturalism" is a dog whistle to racists within the Reform party. They cannot openly say that they don't like non-white people, else everyone will rightfully **** on them, but they can use a weaker sounding dog whistle to appeal to their racist base.
Is Reform, as a whole, a racist party? No, I don't believe so, but they know that a large proportion of their voters are racist and they have to make appeals to them. To use paraphrase a quote from The Simpsons, Reform are 'not racists, but #1 with racists'.
Reply 4
Original post by RandomOneOhOne
How anyone can say reform uk Ltd are not racist with a straight face is beyond me. Nobody is stopping me being British or suppressing my culture. Stop spouting twaddle. The only people who think that are weak gammons who are scared of anyone not white.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
Exactly. I've been interested in the 'multiculturalism' debate for nearly a decade and not once has a Reform / UKIP / BNP / EDL supporter explained to me how British culture (or "English" as they call it, because they don't care about Wales or Scotland) has been destroyed by immigration.
Non-British families and individuals practicing their own culture in this country, often in private, does not destroy our own. It has no bearing on my life if, say, the Polish family next door wants to eat different food or practice a religion I do not follow.
Reply 5
If reform as a whole are racist then the tories are Islamophobic and labour hate the Jewish.
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Reply 6
Original post by SHallowvale
Exactly. I've been interested in the 'multiculturalism' debate for nearly a decade and not once has a Reform / UKIP / BNP / EDL supporter explained to me how British culture (or "English" as they call it, because they don't care about Wales or Scotland) has been destroyed by immigration.
Non-British families and individuals practicing their own culture in this country, often in private, does not destroy our own. It has no bearing on my life if, say, the Polish family next door wants to eat different food or practice a religion I do not follow.
Non-British families and individuals practicing their own culture in this country, often in private, does not destroy our own. It has no bearing on my life if, say, the Polish family next door wants to eat different food or practice a religion I do not follow.
Exactly and British culture has many variations within it anyway, lots of different opinions on the monarchy/fox hunting/CofE/jellied eels/roast beef/cuppa tea/morris dancing etc
Besides I like being able to eat all the different foods, listen to the music of and appreciate the art etc of other cultures that bring it to our country. Culture should not be seen as a stagnant unmoving thing but something that grows and develops over time. Otherwise we’d still be fighting duels and burning people at the stake. What they really mean is ‘It’s not acceptable to be casually (or not) racist anymore and I don’t like it’
Reply 7
Original post by RandomOneOhOne
Exactly and British culture has many variations within it anyway, lots of different opinions on the monarchy/fox hunting/CofE/jellied eels/roast beef/cuppa tea/morris dancing etc
Besides I like being able to eat all the different foods, listen to the music of and appreciate the art etc of other cultures that bring it to our country. Culture should not be seen as a stagnant unmoving thing but something that grows and develops over time. Otherwise we’d still be fighting duels and burning people at the stake. What they really mean is ‘It’s not acceptable to be casually (or not) racist anymore and I don’t like it’
Besides I like being able to eat all the different foods, listen to the music of and appreciate the art etc of other cultures that bring it to our country. Culture should not be seen as a stagnant unmoving thing but something that grows and develops over time. Otherwise we’d still be fighting duels and burning people at the stake. What they really mean is ‘It’s not acceptable to be casually (or not) racist anymore and I don’t like it’
Indeed, some people think that the UK was once a homogenous country where everyone did the same things, ate the same food, listened to the same music, followed the same religion, etc. Perhaps it was hundreds of years ago, but throughout all our lifetimes it has been multicultural throughout (even among just the white British population).
I find it incredibly patronising when people claim they want to 'take our culture back' or 'preserve our culture'. They don't speak for me and millions of other people. We don't want our way of life dictated to us by far right bigots who have their own preconceived notion of what a British person should and should not be doing.
They can kindly sod off. 😀
Reply 8
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Without a want to get heavy political here just think about this - is discussing different views wether about Ukraine, or Gazza, or race or white middle class men, women , etc etc ok right now...
I suspect its not becuase its shut down culture everywhere, dont mention this dont mention that. It doesnt work what happens is many people get resentful and then it goes heavily right wing in poltics quickly.
Do not label things, its dangerous as it makes things into an arbitry object, for example a black man - my best freind is from jamaica , hes a man, a good man on the whole and a good freind. Is he black - not really hes pale brown - never really noticed in detail but both of us got called Dilfs so thats good lol.
Reform is not racist, it may have had some members who said things which were not ideal or considered to be racist by some? is it fundementally racist - i suggest not, and i am allowed to say that actually, like im allowed to say for me 6ft3 men who claim to be called Alice shouldnt ideally go into a female only toilet perhaps becuase for some women (not all) this could be considered to be difficult or put them ill at ease. I am allowed to say that, and Reform suggest that perhaps we can be more open on our conversations so we discuss things and dont shut everything down immediatley becuase someone is offended.
In life people get offended, I like many of you got called things at school, work or where ever, it happens. Kids play and call each other names, it happens, and they pick themselves up and get on with it, thats how we learn to work as a community.
Labour and Tories are obseeseed with doing and saying the right thing, yet they wont disucss wether it is right to send 96bn + money to Ukraine and send thousands of dads to war even if its clearly not working. sit down discuss - yes its ok to discuss woke people, its discussion - thats it ?
I suspect its not becuase its shut down culture everywhere, dont mention this dont mention that. It doesnt work what happens is many people get resentful and then it goes heavily right wing in poltics quickly.
Do not label things, its dangerous as it makes things into an arbitry object, for example a black man - my best freind is from jamaica , hes a man, a good man on the whole and a good freind. Is he black - not really hes pale brown - never really noticed in detail but both of us got called Dilfs so thats good lol.
Reform is not racist, it may have had some members who said things which were not ideal or considered to be racist by some? is it fundementally racist - i suggest not, and i am allowed to say that actually, like im allowed to say for me 6ft3 men who claim to be called Alice shouldnt ideally go into a female only toilet perhaps becuase for some women (not all) this could be considered to be difficult or put them ill at ease. I am allowed to say that, and Reform suggest that perhaps we can be more open on our conversations so we discuss things and dont shut everything down immediatley becuase someone is offended.
In life people get offended, I like many of you got called things at school, work or where ever, it happens. Kids play and call each other names, it happens, and they pick themselves up and get on with it, thats how we learn to work as a community.
Labour and Tories are obseeseed with doing and saying the right thing, yet they wont disucss wether it is right to send 96bn + money to Ukraine and send thousands of dads to war even if its clearly not working. sit down discuss - yes its ok to discuss woke people, its discussion - thats it ?
Reply 9
Original post by RandomOneOhOne
How anyone can say reform uk Ltd are not racist with a straight face is beyond me. Nobody is stopping me being British or suppressing my culture. Stop spouting twaddle. The only people who think that are weak gammons who are scared of anyone not white.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts on that video about Farage I posted above.
I think you misunderstood my question, I complete agree with you but it just baffles me that a lot of people have that view and vote reform, and it shocks me. I am by no means a reform supporter! I can’t stand Nigel Farage.
I encourage ‘foreigners’ coming to work to our country, it just hurts me that they would risk their lives to do so and yet a lot of people dont appreciate them coming. I am British, although I don’t even associate too well with ‘British’ culture
I hear lots of people saying they get scared to walk around ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ neighbourhoods and tbh in my experience whenever I’ve been on a train it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
My point being - you get ‘bad’ people whatever your race and it’s certainly not just in ethnic minorities
Reply 10
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There is only one political party in this country that has been officially declared to be a racist organisation, and it isn't Reform. There's only one party that attends racist rallies en masse across the country and has had two of its grandees thrown out for being open racists - and it isn't Reform.
Reply 11
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it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
Oh dear. You don't see the contradiction in this?
Reply 12
Original post by Amydesigns1104
I think you misunderstood my question, I complete agree with you but it just baffles me that a lot of people have that view and vote reform, and it shocks me. I am by no means a reform supporter! I can’t stand Nigel Farage.
I encourage ‘foreigners’ coming to work to our country, it just hurts me that they would risk their lives to do so and yet a lot of people dont appreciate them coming. I am British, although I don’t even associate too well with ‘British’ culture
I hear lots of people saying they get scared to walk around ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ neighbourhoods and tbh in my experience whenever I’ve been on a train it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
My point being - you get ‘bad’ people whatever your race and it’s certainly not just in ethnic minorities
I encourage ‘foreigners’ coming to work to our country, it just hurts me that they would risk their lives to do so and yet a lot of people dont appreciate them coming. I am British, although I don’t even associate too well with ‘British’ culture
I hear lots of people saying they get scared to walk around ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ neighbourhoods and tbh in my experience whenever I’ve been on a train it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
My point being - you get ‘bad’ people whatever your race and it’s certainly not just in ethnic minorities
Sorry, misunderstanding here I think.
I was actually replying to a very long comment which seems to have been deleted now from someone spewing all the ‘it’s not racist but…’ reform twaddle
They obviously didn’t want to have to reply to what they thought of the video about Fascist Farage and his history as it doesn’t suit the ‘not racist’ anti establishment narrative.
Reply 13
Original post by NeoIan
Without a want to get heavy political here just think about this - is discussing different views wether about Ukraine, or Gazza, or race or white middle class men, women , etc etc ok right now...
I suspect its not becuase its shut down culture everywhere, dont mention this dont mention that. It doesnt work what happens is many people get resentful and then it goes heavily right wing in poltics quickly.
Do not label things, its dangerous as it makes things into an arbitry object, for example a black man - my best freind is from jamaica , hes a man, a good man on the whole and a good freind. Is he black - not really hes pale brown - never really noticed in detail but both of us got called Dilfs so thats good lol.
Reform is not racist, it may have had some members who said things which were not ideal or considered to be racist by some? is it fundementally racist - i suggest not, and i am allowed to say that actually, like im allowed to say for me 6ft3 men who claim to be called Alice shouldnt ideally go into a female only toilet perhaps becuase for some women (not all) this could be considered to be difficult or put them ill at ease. I am allowed to say that, and Reform suggest that perhaps we can be more open on our conversations so we discuss things and dont shut everything down immediatley becuase someone is offended.
In life people get offended, I like many of you got called things at school, work or where ever, it happens. Kids play and call each other names, it happens, and they pick themselves up and get on with it, thats how we learn to work as a community.
Labour and Tories are obseeseed with doing and saying the right thing, yet they wont disucss wether it is right to send 96bn + money to Ukraine and send thousands of dads to war even if its clearly not working. sit down discuss - yes its ok to discuss woke people, its discussion - thats it ?
I suspect its not becuase its shut down culture everywhere, dont mention this dont mention that. It doesnt work what happens is many people get resentful and then it goes heavily right wing in poltics quickly.
Do not label things, its dangerous as it makes things into an arbitry object, for example a black man - my best freind is from jamaica , hes a man, a good man on the whole and a good freind. Is he black - not really hes pale brown - never really noticed in detail but both of us got called Dilfs so thats good lol.
Reform is not racist, it may have had some members who said things which were not ideal or considered to be racist by some? is it fundementally racist - i suggest not, and i am allowed to say that actually, like im allowed to say for me 6ft3 men who claim to be called Alice shouldnt ideally go into a female only toilet perhaps becuase for some women (not all) this could be considered to be difficult or put them ill at ease. I am allowed to say that, and Reform suggest that perhaps we can be more open on our conversations so we discuss things and dont shut everything down immediatley becuase someone is offended.
In life people get offended, I like many of you got called things at school, work or where ever, it happens. Kids play and call each other names, it happens, and they pick themselves up and get on with it, thats how we learn to work as a community.
Labour and Tories are obseeseed with doing and saying the right thing, yet they wont disucss wether it is right to send 96bn + money to Ukraine and send thousands of dads to war even if its clearly not working. sit down discuss - yes its ok to discuss woke people, its discussion - thats it ?
Prsom
Reply 14
Is the Pope Catholic?
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Original post by Amydesigns1104
I think you misunderstood my question, I complete agree with you but it just baffles me that a lot of people have that view and vote reform, and it shocks me. I am by no means a reform supporter! I can’t stand Nigel Farage.
I encourage ‘foreigners’ coming to work to our country, it just hurts me that they would risk their lives to do so and yet a lot of people dont appreciate them coming. I am British, although I don’t even associate too well with ‘British’ culture
I hear lots of people saying they get scared to walk around ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ neighbourhoods and tbh in my experience whenever I’ve been on a train it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
My point being - you get ‘bad’ people whatever your race and it’s certainly not just in ethnic minorities
I encourage ‘foreigners’ coming to work to our country, it just hurts me that they would risk their lives to do so and yet a lot of people dont appreciate them coming. I am British, although I don’t even associate too well with ‘British’ culture
I hear lots of people saying they get scared to walk around ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ neighbourhoods and tbh in my experience whenever I’ve been on a train it’s always been a crazy less privileged ‘British & white’ person that makes me feel uncomfortable!
My point being - you get ‘bad’ people whatever your race and it’s certainly not just in ethnic minorities
Pretty sure there's no opposition to skilled foreigners coming to the UK to work. The issue is ones who are coming with no intention to work.
I live in North Africa and while I've met some of my closest and brightest friends here, the national IQ average is incredibly low and there's a lot of uneducated people who would have no business being in a developed country. Many have little to no concept of right or wrong, no knowledge of consequence, no idea of personal boundaries or privacy. Now I'm not saying that you won't find people like that in the native UK population but at least they're manageable in their relatively small numbers.
The thought of importing large numbers of those people en masse to any nation especially a developed one is a recipe for disaster.
Reply 16
Original post by Jebedee
Pretty sure there's no opposition to skilled foreigners coming to the UK to work. The issue is ones who are coming with no intention to work.
I live in North Africa and while I've met some of my closest and brightest friends here, the national IQ average is incredibly low and there's a lot of uneducated people who would have no business being in a developed country. Many have little to no concept of right or wrong, no knowledge of consequence, no idea of personal boundaries or privacy. Now I'm not saying that you won't find people like that in the native UK population but at least they're manageable in their relatively small numbers.
The thought of importing large numbers of those people en masse to any nation especially a developed one is a recipe for disaster.
I live in North Africa and while I've met some of my closest and brightest friends here, the national IQ average is incredibly low and there's a lot of uneducated people who would have no business being in a developed country. Many have little to no concept of right or wrong, no knowledge of consequence, no idea of personal boundaries or privacy. Now I'm not saying that you won't find people like that in the native UK population but at least they're manageable in their relatively small numbers.
The thought of importing large numbers of those people en masse to any nation especially a developed one is a recipe for disaster.
You'll find that almost none of the people you're describing are coming to the UK (through legal means, at least).
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Original post by SHallowvale
You'll find that almost none of the people you're describing are coming to the UK (through legal means, at least).
Of course. But it's not the legal immigrants that reform object to is it?
Reply 18
Original post by Jebedee
Of course. But it's not the legal immigrants that reform object to is it?
Yes it is...?! 😂
Do you honestly think Reform only objects to illegal immigration?
Reply 19
Original post by Jebedee
Of course. But it's not the legal immigrants that reform object to is it?
😂
They literally spell it out in their manifesto that they object to both.
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