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Can't get into any good university's with my GCSE grades

I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.

Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.

However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.
Reply 1
Could you contact admissions officers from those universities and ask if they accept extenuating circumstances?
It really depends what you mean by 'worse universities' because there are a lot of really decent places out there that can be overlooked by the reputation for prestigue that some have. It is perhaps a good idea to focus on what the courses have as modules and also employments rates after leaving the course.
Reply 3
If you are not taking A level Maths, ask your college if you can resit any GCSE Maths and English alongside your BTEC to get the required grades - Unis will expect you to do this because you still have time to resit them. Maths in particular will be needed as evidence of basic skills - whilst its great that you have extra experience etc, you will still need these essential GCSE grades.
Original post by Fudge_1253
I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.
Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.
However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.

The reality is most top universities require grade A A level Maths in addition to your BTEC for Mathematical based subjects such as Computer Science, Economics, Psychology etc. This is due to the Mathematical content of these courses. It is unlikely you will find any of the top 10 accepting you without it.

Many lower universities will accept you without A level Maths but most will require higher than grade 4. This is to ensure you can cope with the Maths on your degree and dont end up dropping out.

Only a few expect grade 5 in English though.

You need to thoroughly check each university's entrance requirements. If you dont have the GCSE requirement you can sit next year and show your Maths as pending. You will be required to reach the Maths grade in August and wont be accepted until your result is known.
Original post by swanseajack1
The reality is most top universities require grade A A level Maths in addition to your BTEC for Mathematical based subjects such as Computer Science, Economics, Psychology etc. This is due to the Mathematical content of these courses. It is unlikely you will find any of the top 10 accepting you without it.
Many lower universities will accept you without A level Maths but most will require higher than grade 4. This is to ensure you can cope with the Maths on your degree and dont end up dropping out.
Only a few expect grade 5 in English though.
You need to thoroughly check each university's entrance requirements. If you dont have the GCSE requirement you can sit next year and show your Maths as pending. You will be required to reach the Maths grade in August and wont be accepted until your result is known.

Here is an entry requirement for Computer Science at Bath for a BTEC student and A level Maths is a requirement and this applies to most top universities

D*D*D in the BTEC Level 3 National Extended Diploma (RQF) plus grade A in A level Mathematics.
You must be studying A level Mathematics alongside your BTEC qualification.
Reply 6
Original post by swanseajack1
The reality is most top universities require grade A A level Maths in addition to your BTEC for Mathematical based subjects such as Computer Science, Economics, Psychology etc. This is due to the Mathematical content of these courses. It is unlikely you will find any of the top 10 accepting you without it.
Many lower universities will accept you without A level Maths but most will require higher than grade 4. This is to ensure you can cope with the Maths on your degree and dont end up dropping out.
Only a few expect grade 5 in English though.
You need to thoroughly check each university's entrance requirements. If you dont have the GCSE requirement you can sit next year and show your Maths as pending. You will be required to reach the Maths grade in August and wont be accepted until your result is known.

Thanks for your reply! I should have made it clear in the post I'm looking at cyber security degrees rather than computer science. Which majority don't require alevel maths due to the lack of mathematics content. I have essentially given up on any top 10 computer science courses due to the maths content. Cyber courses do not require any kind of maths Alevel. I was looking at Warwick and Lancaster mainly. But there are a few computer Science courses that I have been looking at that aren't as prestigious but require a 6 in gcse maths.
Reply 7
Original post by totallyfine
It really depends what you mean by 'worse universities' because there are a lot of really decent places out there that can be overlooked by the reputation for prestigue that some have. It is perhaps a good idea to focus on what the courses have as modules and also employments rates after leaving the course.

I have looked at some universities that are not top 15, and I've definitely taken into account different factors. It's more for me the fact that I have exceptional grades for my course + tons of relevant experience and would have loved to get into those universities that have prestige and it's upsetting I can't due to the fact I had a hard time 2 years ago. Also the courses I would like to do, cyber security the two best courses in the country are either top 10 or bottom 10 so there aren't really any middle options. I've had a look at Brighton which is a decent university and has a good employment rate and I love the area, but that's a computer science course with cybersecurity. Thanks for your help!
Reply 8
Original post by Lugg13
Could you contact admissions officers from those universities and ask if they accept extenuating circumstances?

a lot of these universities only have extenuating circumstances for students going through financial struggle and not mental health struggles. I may give admissions a call in the future though. My college/secondary have records of my mental health issues and problems so hopefully that could help.
Original post by Fudge_1253
I have looked at some universities that are not top 15, and I've definitely taken into account different factors. It's more for me the fact that I have exceptional grades for my course + tons of relevant experience and would have loved to get into those universities that have prestige and it's upsetting I can't due to the fact I had a hard time 2 years ago. Also the courses I would like to do, cyber security the two best courses in the country are either top 10 or bottom 10 so there aren't really any middle options. I've had a look at Brighton which is a decent university and has a good employment rate and I love the area, but that's a computer science course with cybersecurity. Thanks for your help!

Prestigue is difficult to measure and often a marketing ploy. After the very top, there really isn't much difference between the next 30 Universities. Ratings very much depends on what you choose to measure and the data goes out of date very quickly. Certainly retaking the maths would open up choices. Good luck with your search
This is a list I prepared a few years ago and you will need to check. This is for Computer Science without A level Maths

Computer Science without A Level Maths

Aberystwyth grade C or4 GCSE
Aston grade 4 GCSE
Cardiff grade 6 GCSE
East Anglia grade 5 GCSE. Accepts A level in Computing Science and other subjects
Keele grade 4 GCSE
Kent grade 4 GCSE
Lancaster grade 6 GCSE
Leeds grade 6 GCSE Accepts Computing
Newcastle grade 6 GCSE
Nottingham grade 5 Accepts Computing
Queen Mary grade 5 Accepts Computer Science
Reading Maths, Physics or Computer Science grade 6
Royal Holloway grade 6 accepts CS, Maths or Physics
Sussex grade 6
Swansea grade 6 in Maths or Physics
As far as extenuating circumstances is concerned it is highly unlikely your illness will be accepted. The way universities look on it is you had 2 years to improve your Maths grade and havent done it.
Yes, I would say that in my experience mit circs are more for level 3 quals rather than ones you've had time to remedy.
Original post by Fudge_1253
I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.
Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.
However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.

Hi @Fudge_1253

Congratulations on your predicted grades, especially after everything you’ve dealt with!
Have you checked out the University of East Anglia, based in Norwich? We are a top 25 University 😊
If you were interested in studying computer science at an undergraduate level, our requirements are..

BTEC
Extended Diploma: DDM in IT, Engineering or Science based subject OR DDM plus A-Level grade B in Mathematics, Computing Science, Digital Technology, Chemistry, Physics, Electronics or Economics.
GCSE
You are required to have Mathematics at a minimum of Grade B or Grade 5 and English Language at a minimum of Grade C or Grade 4 or above at GCSE. You can check out the course here and I would also recommend speaking with our admissions team too https://www.uea.ac.uk/study/enquiries

Wishing you the best of luck,
UEA REP Tiffany
Original post by Fudge_1253
I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.
Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.
However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.

Hi @Fudge_1253

Sorry to hear about the difficulties you faced during GCSEs.

UEA are very understanding of any circumstances which affect your health. Your qualifications in computing sound great! I would recommend contacting admissions about your situation: [email protected]

They are very friendly and understanding and would be happy to give you advice on your next steps 🙂.
If you have any further questions please let me know
UEA Rep Lucy
4th Year Economics Student with a Year Abroad
Original post by Fudge_1253
I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.
Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.
However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.

I know my external assessment dates for my course, but if you've been through year one and could let me know what dates they gave in their last few assignments that would be great. I want to find out when the last assignment is due, the internal units I'm doing just in case are:

Unit 07: IT Systems Security and Encryption

Unit 08: Business Applications of Social Media

Unit 11: Digital Graphics and Animation

Unit 22: Systems Analysis
Any other tips for my course would also be helpful, and I'm doing the PEARSON BTEC COMPUTING LEVEL 3 NATIONAL EXTENDED DIPLOMA.
Original post by Fudge_1253
I had a lot going on when I was taking my GCSEs. Clinical depression, extremely poor attendance etc.
So, I passed everything the first time but with all 4s and a 5 in English lit, which are not very good grades.
At the time, I was just happy I passed.
Now I am going Into my second year of college doing a level Btec 3 in computing and predicted D*D*D*, which Is equivalent to 165 UCAS points, I have the grades to apply for top 10 schools, and I have the extracurriculars for it, as I've been working in computing/ cyber security for the past year, I am a Microsoft certified technician and I have passed my comp tia sec+ which is a great qualification in the field.
However, all universities require a 6 in GCSE maths and a 5 in language. Do I even bother to resit at this point or just go/apply to much worse universities just because of my GCSEs? It just feels frustrating.
I can resit in November, but I would have to learn the whole of GCSE maths in 4 months when I'm not that gifted at it, and it has never been in my skill set. I'm just not sure what to do.

Apologies for not responding before now, but if you're interested in cyber security might we suggest you consider an NCSC-Certified degree, as these have been evaluated by a panel of independent experts and found to offer a high-quality education, with relevant material taught by knowledgeable staff, using excellent facilities. They also tend to have good prospects for their graduates, as a result.

Especially at undergraduate level, we believe that a strong foundation of Computer Science knowledge is essential for effective understanding of cyber security, and so all NCSC-certified degrees are required to cover that combination.

With regard to your GCSE grades and entry requirements, a look through all the currently certified undergraduate degrees shows that the only one which would probably be closed to you is the one at Royal Holloway (Plymouth ask that you contact their admissions team if you didn't get a 5 in Maths). As such, there appears to be quite a few choices open to you.

We don't comment on individual universities per se, as to whether they are 'prestigious' or 'the top ones', as there are so many variables to consider, both from the point of view of the courses (e.g. content, teaching/assessment methods), and also the location (distance from home, city, campus, etc.), the accommodation, social life, cost of living etc.

Why not take a look at the list of undergraduate degrees, and click though to the course web pages for further information - good luck with your search 😀

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