I am a maths student at Warwick uni and just finished my first year. I found the degree very difficult, especially some specific areas (abstract and linear algebra, number theory). I am very worried about next year because my course handbook lists some difficult modules that I am not interested in. I want to focus on geometry/multivariable calculus and the third year has no core modules (so I can choose which ones I want).

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

Original post by StavP

I am a maths student at Warwick uni and just finished my first year. I found the degree very difficult, especially some specific areas (abstract and linear algebra, number theory). I am very worried about next year because my course handbook lists some difficult modules that I am not interested in. I want to focus on geometry/multivariable calculus and the third year has no core modules (so I can choose which ones I want).

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

What modules do you foresee being difficult next year?

Original post by zetamcfc

What modules do you foresee being difficult next year?

Mainly abstract algebra, which is quite difficult in the second year (with number theory involved), but I'm also afraid of neural networks and topologies

Original post by StavP

Mainly abstract algebra, which is quite difficult in the second year (with number theory involved), but I'm also afraid of neural networks and topologies

Looking at the Algebra III course (which I assume is what you're talking about?), it doesn't exactly seem like there is anything super difficult there.

Do you mean Norms, Metrics and Topologies? As I can't find a neural networks module that you'd be forced to take as a maths student. If so you'll need this in whatever you're going to do.

Honestly I just think you are worrying yourself over nothing. Most new mathematics looks hard from afar however when you get down to it, it becomes a lot more simple.

Original post by zetamcfc

Looking at the Algebra III course (which I assume is what you're talking about?), it doesn't exactly seem like there is anything super difficult there.

Do you mean Norms, Metrics and Topologies? As I can't find a neural networks module that you'd be forced to take as a maths student. If so you'll need this in whatever you're going to do.

Honestly I just think you are worrying yourself over nothing. Most new mathematics looks hard from afar however when you get down to it, it becomes a lot more simple.

Do you mean Norms, Metrics and Topologies? As I can't find a neural networks module that you'd be forced to take as a maths student. If so you'll need this in whatever you're going to do.

Honestly I just think you are worrying yourself over nothing. Most new mathematics looks hard from afar however when you get down to it, it becomes a lot more simple.

You're right that I may be looking too much ahead as the topologies module is a new type of maths. I'm just seeing that most core modules don't interest me (some list A optionals do though). The neual networks are in Modelling 3.

Original post by StavP

I am a maths student at Warwick uni and just finished my first year. I found the degree very difficult, especially some specific areas (abstract and linear algebra, number theory). I am very worried about next year because my course handbook lists some difficult modules that I am not interested in. I want to focus on geometry/multivariable calculus and the third year has no core modules (so I can choose which ones I want).

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

I am very worried that this difficult second year may be horrible for me and I may not pass to focus then on my favourite areas for my careers. I am considering transferring to a MathsStats or MathsPhys degree, whose second years are easier and then the third year is again 100% optional modules. I hope that in this way I may have a chance to pass or at least make this year easier/more enjoyable. I'd then focus on fields closest to geometry and calculus.

Can you please advise if it's worth switching and if so, to which degree.

P.S. I got a first this year (although I think this doesn't help)

If you got a first I'd say you're in a very good position for next year, you clearly understood the content pretty well.

I would not automatically assume that second years of the joint courses are easier. How many stats/physics modules did you take in first year? Chances are you'll be missing at least some of the pre requisites so you might be playing a bit of catch up.

One of the modules you are worried about, modelling 3, is being scrapped for your year anyway. The old PDE's module is being named modelling 3 instead. All the old modelling 3 content is being revamped into two third year modules, optimization theory and approximation theory.

I also don't think you should be too scared of algebra 3, most of it is just going into first year stuff in more depth.

Also, NMT is an analysis module not a topology module. You only do a very basic introduction to point set topology in it.

I'm not entirely sure if the optional core system is still being used next year but in my year if you were on the BSc you only had to take one of multilinear algebra /multivariable analysis. So you could just dodge MLA if you so wish(if you're on the MMath you have to do both). That said, linear algebra appears a ton in both stats and physics so you might just have to get used to it.

Like zeta said, a lot of this looks hard when you glance at it for the first time, when you spend the time throughout the year learning it you end up realising its not too bad.

I think you'll be fine next year honestly, I personally wouldn't transfer out. Although I might be a bit biased since I transferred out from mathsphys to maths.

Original post by Skiwi

If you got a first I'd say you're in a very good position for next year, you clearly understood the content pretty well.

I would not automatically assume that second years of the joint courses are easier. How many stats/physics modules did you take in first year? Chances are you'll be missing at least some of the pre requisites so you might be playing a bit of catch up.

One of the modules you are worried about, modelling 3, is being scrapped for your year anyway. The old PDE's module is being named modelling 3 instead. All the old modelling 3 content is being revamped into two third year modules, optimization theory and approximation theory.

I also don't think you should be too scared of algebra 3, most of it is just going into first year stuff in more depth.

Also, NMT is an analysis module not a topology module. You only do a very basic introduction to point set topology in it.

I'm not entirely sure if the optional core system is still being used next year but in my year if you were on the BSc you only had to take one of multilinear algebra /multivariable analysis. So you could just dodge MLA if you so wish(if you're on the MMath you have to do both). That said, linear algebra appears a ton in both stats and physics so you might just have to get used to it.

Like zeta said, a lot of this looks hard when you glance at it for the first time, when you spend the time throughout the year learning it you end up realising its not too bad.

I think you'll be fine next year honestly, I personally wouldn't transfer out. Although I might be a bit biased since I transferred out from mathsphys to maths.

I would not automatically assume that second years of the joint courses are easier. How many stats/physics modules did you take in first year? Chances are you'll be missing at least some of the pre requisites so you might be playing a bit of catch up.

One of the modules you are worried about, modelling 3, is being scrapped for your year anyway. The old PDE's module is being named modelling 3 instead. All the old modelling 3 content is being revamped into two third year modules, optimization theory and approximation theory.

I also don't think you should be too scared of algebra 3, most of it is just going into first year stuff in more depth.

Also, NMT is an analysis module not a topology module. You only do a very basic introduction to point set topology in it.

I'm not entirely sure if the optional core system is still being used next year but in my year if you were on the BSc you only had to take one of multilinear algebra /multivariable analysis. So you could just dodge MLA if you so wish(if you're on the MMath you have to do both). That said, linear algebra appears a ton in both stats and physics so you might just have to get used to it.

Like zeta said, a lot of this looks hard when you glance at it for the first time, when you spend the time throughout the year learning it you end up realising its not too bad.

I think you'll be fine next year honestly, I personally wouldn't transfer out. Although I might be a bit biased since I transferred out from mathsphys to maths.

At what year did you transfer from MathsPhys and what were your reasons?

Original post by StavP

At what year did you transfer from MathsPhys and what were your reasons?

I transferred at the end of first year.

Reason being mainly that I really wasn't enjoying the physics side and honestly shouldn't have ever applied to do physics in the first place. It was clear I enjoyed maths more, i took 0 physics in my second year and chances are the closest i'll get to it next year is fluid dynamics.

I also had more friends on the maths course anyway so moving across made more sense.

(edited 3 weeks ago)

Right, that makes sense. I was thinking of taking Classical Mech in my first year but I didn't because it thought it'd be complicated. I am also thinking of taking fluid mechanics for the second year. Regarding maths, you said the second year isn't that challenging although I heard a different opinion from others (but they've graduated this year so I think their syllabus was different to this year). Hopefully it'll not be as challenging as the first year (is it?). With the optional cores, I'll most probably take Multivariable Analysis instead of ML Algebra as it is more related to geometry that I wanted to continue with. And yes, you're right that I don't have all the prerequisites. Ty

Original post by StavP

Right, that makes sense. I was thinking of taking Classical Mech in my first year but I didn't because it thought it'd be complicated. I am also thinking of taking fluid mechanics for the second year. Regarding maths, you said the second year isn't that challenging although I heard a different opinion from others (but they've graduated this year so I think their syllabus was different to this year). Hopefully it'll not be as challenging as the first year (is it?). With the optional cores, I'll most probably take Multivariable Analysis instead of ML Algebra as it is more related to geometry that I wanted to continue with. And yes, you're right that I don't have all the prerequisites. Ty

Obviously in terms of difficulty it's a step up from first year, the content is building directly on top of what you did in first year. Analysis is where I think it's the most noticeable, abstract and linear algebra felt the same as first year for me. That said analysis becomes significantly more interesting, in first year it's largely proving easy stuff you've already seen before so can get a bit dull. You'll probably find the change more manageable than last year though, since you won't have the additional shock of uni maths being so different, you know what to expect now.

I took both optional cores, I found MVA a lot more interesting than MLA but also harder. Content wise anyway, the MVA lecturer set a nice exam and he's also an incredible lecturer in general. He does have some sections which I don't think are too necessary though, the submanifolds chapter didn't make much sense to most people.

Original post by Skiwi

The old syllabus for second year is broadly similar to the current one. There was some reshuffling of topics, but it's largely the same.

Obviously in terms of difficulty it's a step up from first year, the content is building directly on top of what you did in first year. Analysis is where I think it's the most noticeable, abstract and linear algebra felt the same as first year for me. That said analysis becomes significantly more interesting, in first year it's largely proving easy stuff you've already seen before so can get a bit dull. You'll probably find the change more manageable than last year though, since you won't have the additional shock of uni maths being so different, you know what to expect now.

I took both optional cores, I found MVA a lot more interesting than MLA but also harder. Content wise anyway, the MVA lecturer set a nice exam and he's also an incredible lecturer in general. He does have some sections which I don't think are too necessary though, the submanifolds chapter didn't make much sense to most people.

Obviously in terms of difficulty it's a step up from first year, the content is building directly on top of what you did in first year. Analysis is where I think it's the most noticeable, abstract and linear algebra felt the same as first year for me. That said analysis becomes significantly more interesting, in first year it's largely proving easy stuff you've already seen before so can get a bit dull. You'll probably find the change more manageable than last year though, since you won't have the additional shock of uni maths being so different, you know what to expect now.

I took both optional cores, I found MVA a lot more interesting than MLA but also harder. Content wise anyway, the MVA lecturer set a nice exam and he's also an incredible lecturer in general. He does have some sections which I don't think are too necessary though, the submanifolds chapter didn't make much sense to most people.

Thank you, as I understand analysis is more depth while algebra is more breadth. I know that analysis is generally considered more difficult (although for me it wasn't as it made for me much more sense than algebra), but I consider it the beautiful part of maths. I even found analysis 2 easier than analysis 1, so I can put effort in it as it's so interesting.

I guess MVA is what I need to focus on calculus and geometry in the future. Would MLA be needed or preferred?

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