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Should Joe Biden resign in your opinion?

Higher ups reading this, feel free to merge this with the main US election discussion thread if that’s more appropriate.

The question is simple, do you think that Joe Biden should stand down as the Democrat nominee and pass on the baton onto someone else or do you think that he should remain?

This is give the widespread criticism of him and calls for him to stand down (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84j12xxz8jo) but Biden says that he’s the best person to run the country (USA): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl75kdm420o and the blunders he made during his recent conference and the debate.

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Reply 1

Yes, he should, but god forbid Trump is elected.

Reply 2

He's the best chance now for a Democrat win so he wont. And thats fine, I'd rather have a president that forgets his words and does nothing than the alternative, who already proved his incompetence 4 years ago and caused more harm than help for the country.
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Original post by Foxehh
He's the best chance now for a Democrat win so he wont. And thats fine, I'd rather have a president that does nothing than the current alternative, which is one that makes the US the laughing stock of foreign affairs.


That was me when it came to British politics. Better to have a literal rock as the Prime Minister than have the Tories in government again in my opinion. I dislike the current UK PM but he was much better than the alternative in my opinion.

Sad that UK and US politics have reached this low of a standard (French politics seems to be spiralling down the same path as well).
Original post by Talkative Toad
Higher ups reading this, feel free to merge this with the main US election discussion thread if that’s more appropriate.
The question is simple, do you think that Joe Biden should stand down as the Democrat nominee and pass on the baton onto someone else or do you think that he should remain?
This is give the widespread criticism of him and calls for him to stand down (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84j12xxz8jo) but Biden says that he’s the best person to run the country (USA): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl75kdm420o and the blunders he made during his recent conference and the debate.

If he is competent enough to do the job and he's of good character, then he should keep going. If not, no.

I don't anyone can be in a position to give him a fair judgement on this, unless they're a professional psychiatrist/psychologist with a strong background in politics.
Original post by MindMax2000
If he is competent enough to do the job and he's of good character, then he should keep going. If not, no.

I don't anyone can be in a position to give him a fair judgement on this, unless they're a professional psychiatrist/psychologist with a strong background in politics.


That’s true as well.

Reply 6

Original post by Talkative Toad
That was me when it came to British politics. Better to have a literal rock as the Prime Minister than have the Tories in government again in my opinion. I dislike the current UK PM but he was much better than the alternative in my opinion.
Sad that UK and US politics have reached this low of a standard (French politics seems to be spiralling down the same path as well).

Absolutely, but a lot of the blame should be on voters too. I feel like a lot of it is a lack of economic/financial/political literacy, people just accept whatever sounds good or whatever their favorite news platform is telling them rather than thinking for themselves about what will be good for the country, so nobody demands better.
Original post by Foxehh
Absolutely, but a lot of the blame should be on voters too. I feel like a lot of it is a lack of economic/financial/political literacy, people just accept whatever sounds good or whatever their favorite news platform is telling them rather than thinking for themselves about what will be good for the country, so nobody demands better.


Yes I’ll be honest and say that I only voted left in French and UK elections because I wanted the alternative to not gain power (I didn’t even bother to read the French manifesto for the recent elections, only the British one), sad state of affairs.

That being said, I take responsibility for my vote, I absolutely know that anything that Macron/Starmer does is my responsibility, my fault, there’s no point in my trying to run away from the blame even if I only voted for their party to get the alternative out (the Tories in the UK and Far-right in France). More voters need to take responsibility for their votes and realise what impact it has had for the country rather than trying to run away into a cave and defect the blame.

Yes I see a lot of illiteracy in UK and US politics especially imo, I’m wondering having a two party system plays a large role in that or if we’re simply not able to think critically for ourselves it seems (on average) and we’re not taught (at least in the UK, I don’t know about the USA) politics properly in education and at home. So the standard of “lets not have crap politics” is considered to be the acceptable and now default standard.

It doesn’t help that polarising figures like Matt Walsh, Trump, Ben Shapiro, Hasan Abi, Nigel Farage (UK), Le pen (France) etc exist and have large platforms to influence the masses.

At this point I’m hoping that Trump doesn’t regain power if that’s not what Americans want (and also because I just hate Trump in general). So I can see why Biden doesn’t want to stand down.

Also PRSOM.
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Original post by Foxehh
Absolutely, but a lot of the blame should be on voters too. I feel like a lot of it is a lack of economic/financial/political literacy, people just accept whatever sounds good or whatever their favorite news platform is telling them rather than thinking for themselves about what will be good for the country, so nobody demands better.

An age old problem that was first mentioned by Socrates (I think, unless someone can find quotes or records from someone much older): "In Book VI, Socrates points out the “flaws of democracy by comparing a society to a ship.” If you were going on a sea voyage, “who would you ideally want deciding who was in charge of the vessel, just anyone, or people educated in the rules and demands of seafaring?” Unless we wish to be obtusely contrarian, we must invariably answer the latter, as does Socrates’ interlocutor Adeimantus. Why then should just any of us, without regard to level of skill, experience, or education, be allowed to select the rulers of a country?"
See: https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/why-socrates-hated-democracies-an-animated-case-for-why-self-government-requires-wisdom-education.html

Reply 9

No, there's no real evidence that any other candidate would perform particularly better, and efforts to replace him have only caused problems for the Democratic Party and it will get worse the more they try to force him out. A contested convention would be a disaster.

Reply 10

All US presidents and UK PMs ought to really.

Reply 11

Sadly I think he's at the end of line, he really is increasingly looking past it and increasingly embarrassing himself. He was selected as a safe pair of hands but those hands are shaking a lot.

I think he/Dems might have left this too late for positive transfer of power to Kamala or similar without it weakening & dividing the party overall. I was under the impression that he had intended to hand off to Kamala at some point in his term but I dunno what happened to that, her low approval ratings might have been an issue.

Tbh at this rate I can see another Trump win, I don't really think enough people really learned their lesson last time.

Reply 12

Original post by Foxehh
He's the best chance now for a Democrat win so he wont. And thats fine, I'd rather have a president that forgets his words and does nothing than the alternative, who already proved his incompetence 4 years ago and caused more harm than help for the country.


This!

Reply 13

Nope.
Let him end his political career as the Potus who either either won a second term in 2024 or lost the 2024 election.

Reply 14

Yes, he's too far gone. Man belongs in a care home.

Reply 15

Original post by Foxehh
He's the best chance now for a Democrat win so he wont. And thats fine, I'd rather have a president that forgets his words and does nothing than the alternative, who already proved his incompetence 4 years ago and caused more harm than help for the country.

He is absolutely not the "best chance". Almost any other Democrat stands a better chance if he were to step aside. No one voted for Biden because they liked him, he won because Trump was awful.

Biden is being selfish and prideful but not stepping down. But it's the Democrats' own fault for voting for him. They should've picked Bernie Sanders, both in 2020 and 2016.

Reply 16

Original post by Vivify
He is absolutely not the "best chance". Almost any other Democrat stands a better chance if he were to step aside. No one voted for Biden because they liked him, he won because Trump was awful.
Biden is being selfish and prideful but not stepping down. But it's the Democrats' own fault for voting for him. They should've picked Bernie Sanders, both in 2020 and 2016.

You think Bernie Sanders would win over an incumbent? Sure, Trump was the horrible alternative, but Biden won because he was already Obama's VP and his policy was moderate. Sanders on the other hand is a socialist with extremely progressive policies and no prior positions in the White House. Nobody was voting for him.
Original post by JDINCINERATOR
All US presidents and UK PMs ought to really.

Give Starmer a chance at least

Reply 18

Original post by Foxehh
You think Bernie Sanders would win over an incumbent? Sure, Trump was the horrible alternative, but Biden won because he was already Obama's VP and his policy was moderate. Sanders on the other hand is a socialist with extremely progressive policies and no prior positions in the White House. Nobody was voting for him.
Everyone hates Biden, including Dems while Bernie is still very popular and respected in by Democrats. Yes, he would stand a better chance than Biden (almost anyone would)

Republicans may be amoral fascists but at least they like their party's leader. Dems keep picking people they loathe like Hillary.
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Reply 19

Original post by Vivify
He is absolutely not the "best chance". Almost any other Democrat stands a better chance if he were to step aside. No one voted for Biden because they liked him, he won because Trump was awful.
Biden is being selfish and prideful but not stepping down. But it's the Democrats' own fault for voting for him. They should've picked Bernie Sanders, both in 2020 and 2016.

I'm a committed Bernie Bro, I wanted him to be the nominee in both 2016 and 2020, but he has no interest in running this time (indeed, he has firmly backed Biden recently), and there's no real polling evidence that any other Democratic candidate i) would beat Biden if the primary were re-run, or ii) would stand a better chance against Trump - in fact, polling has generally suggested the opposite.

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