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Original post by 2WheelGod
"This is ridiculous. Please do your research."
Nope. You claimed that Biden uses rhetoric as divisive and inflammatory as Trump, so it is your responsibility to support your claim, not mine.
"Also Churchill was not the nice guy that had been pushed out for decades. He had said and done many deplorable things."
That was my point. Churchill was awful, but you wouldn't claim he was as bad as Hitler.

I had added the bullseye example. Yet, you are asking for examples.

Some people consider Churchill to be as bad as Hitler.
Original post by Driving_Mad
If Harris wins I wonder how much damage she will cause to the country. She failed as vice-president already.

The idea that a Harris presidency would cause more damage to the USA than another Trump one is patently ridiculous. (He's already said he'd "fix" it so there were no more elections, and offered to give fossil fuel companies a free hand in return for a billion dollars.)

Perhaps you could elaborate?
While you're at it, explain how "She failed as vice-president already".
Good luck.
Original post by 2WheelGod
The idea that a Harris presidency would cause more damage to the USA than another Trump one is patently ridiculous. (He's already said he'd "fix" it so there were no more elections, and offered to give fossil fuel companies a free hand in return for a billion dollars.)
Perhaps you could elaborate?
While you're at it, explain how "She failed as vice-president already".
Good luck.

Her main role as vice-president was to address illegal immigration from down south. Under her ruling there were record numbers of immigrants crossing the border illegally. I'm looking forward to Trump confronting her about this when they debate.

She can't even speak properly either despite her history as an attorney. Her only tactic to gain support is talking about how she is black, a minority, and a woman.

Typical victim behaviour.
Original post by Wired_1800
I had added the bullseye example. Yet, you are asking for examples.
Some people consider Churchill to be as bad as Hitler.

So, in speeches and interviews Trump calls political opponents "vermin", says minorities are "poisoning the blood of the country", incites an insurrection against the democratically elected government, repeatedly lies that the Democrats illegally stole the election, calls white supremacists "very good people", etc, etc.
On the other hand, literally all you can some up with for Biden is a comment on a private phone call about "putting Trump in the bullseye" (which in context is clearly about focussing the campaign on him).

And you claim they are as bad as each other.

"Some people consider Churchill to be as bad as Hitler."
No they don't. Not anyone sane, anyway.
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Original post by Driving_Mad
Her main role as vice-president was to address illegal immigration from down south. Under her ruling there were record numbers of immigrants crossing the border illegally. I'm looking forward to Trump confronting her about this when they debate.
She can't even speak properly either despite her history as an attorney. Her only tactic to gain support is talking about how she is black, a minority, and a woman.
Typical victim behaviour.

I think you might have been misled by various right wing media sources re the role Harris was given re migration. Her role wasn't to enforce border security, or reduce migration - thats the job of the Homeland Security Secretary.

Harris's role was to look into the root causes of migration from three specific central American countries ie: looking at poverty, violence, economic problems *local* to those countries and work with those governments to tackle development in those countries. It was a diplomatic and development role, not a border policing role.
Original post by AMac86
I think you might have been misled by various right wing media sources re the role Harris was given re migration. Her role wasn't to enforce border security, or reduce migration - thats the job of the Homeland Security Secretary.
Harris's role was to look into the root causes of migration from three specific central American countries ie: looking at poverty, violence, economic problems *local* to those countries and work with those governments to tackle development in those countries. It was a diplomatic and development role, not a border policing role.

Did Harris travel to these countries?
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Original post by Wired_1800
You suffer from a warped understanding of the world. You need to research Churchill’s legacy and not just what you have been fed.
Biden has used divisive language against his opponent. If you think only Trump has used divisive language, that’s great. It is not my job to educate you, natural selection would take care of it for us.

Compared to many politicians trump has been extreme in

conspiracy theories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump
and thats without talking about his prosecutions, impeachments, violating gag orders against judge, failing to repeal the affordable care act, rolling back environmental and climate change controls for coal/oil, rolling back worker protection and food safety, passing tax cuts that largely benefitted the rich, failed north korean diplomacy, russian involvement in the 2016 election, jan 6 2021, covid approch ...

But as you say, its not my job to educate you.
Reply 67
Original post by Driving_Mad
Did Harris travel to these countries?

As VP Harris would have had a top level strategic role rather than an operational on the ground role - that would have been handled by the state department, local embassies and federal staff who would have been doing the analytical ground work.

Comms with senior staff in those countries would typically be by video conference or calls so actual visits arn’t required. This is a very common for a senior leader in a primarily domestic role (the VP), with additional specific international responsibilities like this.

Meanwhile - The answer to your question is yes - Harris made public visits to the countries in question plus others in Central America that weren’t formally part of the remit. I’m not privy to any unannounced travel arrangements of the VP so other visits could have taken place.
Original post by mqb2766
Compared to many politicians trump has been extreme in

conspiracy theories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump
and thats without talking about his prosecutions, impeachments, violating gag orders against judge, failing to repeal the affordable care act, rolling back environmental and climate change controls for coal/oil, rolling back worker protection and food safety, passing tax cuts that largely benefitted the rich, failed north korean diplomacy, russian involvement in the 2016 election, jan 6 2021, covid approch ...
But as you say, its not my job to educate you.

Trump is not the only politician who has been accused of sexual misconduct, lying, rhetoric or racial views.

It is incredible that you blast the President for what he has done and also for what he has not done. Many people were against his threatened removal of the affordable care act, yet you use it against him.

What failed North Korean Diplomacy? The one that Biden shelved? Come on.
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Original post by Wired_1800
Trump is not the only politician who has been accused of sexual misconduct, lying, rhetoric or racial views.
It is incredible that you blast the President for what he has done and also for what he has not done. Many people were against his threatened removal of the affordable care act, yet you use it against him.
What failed North Korean Diplomacy? The one that Biden shelved? Come on.

As stated at the start, he has been extreme. A couple of quotes in case you didnt read the links
"Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of Trump's mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13] and the consistency of falsehoods a distinctive part of his business and political identities"
"Trump uses rhetoric that political scientists have deemed to be both dehumanizing and connected to physical violence by his followers"

One of his main campaign promises was to repeal the affordable care act, yet he couldnt do it even with a republican majority. It was his failure as a politician that was the reason
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5415398/
"The list of critics was long, diverse and crossed political lines. Even hardcore conservative commentators expressed dismay, including Ann Coulter, who tweeted, “Who wrote this piece of crap Obamacare replacement bill?”"
So its incredible that you think it shouldnt be used to assess his (lack of) ability.

For north korea
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/why-trump-s-north-korea-missile-and-nuclear-diplomacy-failed/
and it was widely recognised as failed before trump got voted out in 2020, as trump went back to his usual "rocket man" twitter insults.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/04/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-intl-hnk/index.html
There was nothing for biden to shelve. Its incredulous that you make such a statement.

As usual, you fail to provide any evidence to back up your view of the world.
Original post by mqb2766
As stated at the start, he has been extreme. A couple of quotes in case you didnt read the links
"Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of Trump's mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13] and the consistency of falsehoods a distinctive part of his business and political identities"
"Trump uses rhetoric that political scientists have deemed to be both dehumanizing and connected to physical violence by his followers"
One of his main campaign promises was to repeal the affordable care act, yet he couldnt do it even with a republican majority. It was his failure as a politician that was the reason
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5415398/
"The list of critics was long, diverse and crossed political lines. Even hardcore conservative commentators expressed dismay, including Ann Coulter, who tweeted, “Who wrote this piece of crap Obamacare replacement bill?”"
So its incredible that you think it shouldnt be used to assess his (lack of) ability.
For north korea
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/why-trump-s-north-korea-missile-and-nuclear-diplomacy-failed/
and it was widely recognised as failed before trump got voted out in 2020, as trump went back to his usual "rocket man" twitter insults.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/04/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-intl-hnk/index.html
There was nothing for biden to shelve. Its incredulous that you make such a statement.
As usual, you fail to provide any evidence to back up your view of the world.

I don't think it is unprecedented or extreme. It is simply the lying media exploding the comments to make simple minds think they are unprecedented.

He wanted to repeal the affordable care act but was advised against it. You cannot attack him for doing things and not doing things. The argument then was that it would impact the working class voters that supported him, so he let it be. Surely, that’s a positive for him. If he had removed it, you would have been gung-ho about how he destroyed the healthcare access for millions of Americans.

For north korea, that’s an incredibly stupid position for the media to take. Did you follow the discourse then? I did. The media started off with that Chairman Kim wont want to meet Trump as he is a dictator who does not care, he did. Then it moved to, NK wont want to engage in meaningful discourse as they are aligned to China, they did. Then it moved to, Trump should not be engaging with NK because it is against decades of US Isolationist policy against NK, he did and even stepped foot in NK. Then it went to NK and US can never have a good MoU, they did and signed the first steps. Trump then lost the election and Biden shelved it.

What evidence do you want me to provide? I watch nonsense like a normal human being on the tv. I listen to the debates and opinions. I am then asked to show evidence. How tf can i show evidence that on 21.06.2022, person X came on the BBC and said XYZ.
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Original post by Wired_1800
I don't think it is unprecedented or extreme. It is simply the lying media exploding the comments to make simple minds think they are unprecedented.
He wanted to repeal the affordable care act but was advised against it. You cannot attack him for doing things and not doing things. The argument then was that it would impact the working class voters that supported him, so he let it be. Surely, that’s a positive for him. If he had removed it, you would have been gung-ho about how he destroyed the healthcare access for millions of Americans.
For north korea, that’s an incredibly stupid position for the media to take. Did you follow the discourse then? I did. The media started off with that Chairman Kim wont want to meet Trump as he is a dictator who does not care, he did. Then it moved to, NK wont want to engage in meaningful discourse as they are aligned to China, they did. Then it moved to, Trump should not be engaging with NK because it is against decades of US Isolationist policy against NK, he did and even stepped foot in NK. Then it went to NK and US can never have a good MoU, they did and signed the first steps. Trump then lost the election and Biden shelved it.
What evidence do you want me to provide? I watch nonsense like a normal human being on the tv. I listen to the debates and opinions. I am then asked to show evidence. How tf can i show evidence that on 21.06.2022, person X came on the BBC and said XYZ.

To use your phrase, though I dont agree with it, saying Biden shelved the north korea diplomacy would be the same as saying hed buried the dead parrot. It had failed, as expected by most commentators.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/donald-trumps-north-korea-gambit-what-worked-what-didnt-and-whats-next
"By the end of Trump’s term, the talks had petered out and he had little more to show for his efforts than a drawer full of flattering lletters", amongst many other similar quotes. Blaming the media is a common trump tactic.

Trumps failure to repeal the affordable care act is well documented in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act
See the 2017 section. The quote in the previous post pretty much sums it up. Again, you keep refering to what the other poster thinks/would do. Im simply highlighting his political incompetence.

Its not hard to provide evidence, though you repeatedly say it is.
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Original post by mqb2766
To use your phrase, though I dont agree with it, saying Biden shelved the north korea diplomacy would be the same as saying hed buried the dead parrot. It had failed, as expected by most commentators.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/donald-trumps-north-korea-gambit-what-worked-what-didnt-and-whats-next
"By the end of Trump’s term, the talks had petered out and he had little more to show for his efforts than a drawer full of flattering lletters", amongst many other similar quotes. Blaming the media is a common trump tactic.
Trumps failure to repeal the affordable care act is well documented in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act
See the 2017 section. The quote in the previous post pretty much sums it up. Again, you keep refering to what the other poster thinks/would do. Im simply highlighting his political incompetence.
Its not hard to provide evidence, though you repeatedly say it is.

The NK question could not be answered in 4 years under the President. It was a good sign that Chairman Kim wanted to engage with the Americans. If President Biden wanted to engage with the North Koreans, he would have figured out what went wrong and adapted the approach.

I am not sure what you are arguing anymore.

according to your link, these were the events

“On January 12, 2017, the Senate voted 51 to 48 to pass an FY2017 budget resolution, S.Con.Res. 3, that contained language allowing the repeal of the Affordable Care Act through the budget reconciliation process, which disallows a filibuster in the Senate. In spite of efforts during the vote-a-rama (a proceeding in which each amendment was considered and voted upon for about 10 minutes each until all 160 were completed) that continued into the early hours of the morning, Democrats could not prevent "the GOP from following through on its repeal plans."

On January 20, 2017, Donald Trump was sworn in as President of the United States. Trump and many Republicans have vowed to repeal and replace Obamacare. President Trump signed an executive order on January 20, 2017, his first day in office, that according to then White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer would "ease the burden of Obamacare as we transition from repeal and replace". Spicer would not elaborate further when asked for more details.

On March 6, 2017, House Republicans announced their replacement for the ACA, the American Health Care Act. The bill was withdrawn on March 24, 2017 after it was certain that the House would fail to garner enough votes to pass it. The result was in-fighting within the Republican Party.

On May 4, 2017, the United States House of Representatives voted to pass the American Health Care Act (and thereby repeal most of the Affordable Care Act) by a narrow margin of 217 to 213, sending the bill to the Senate for deliberation. The Senate indicated they would write their own version of the bill, instead of voting on the House version. On June 22, the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 was unveiled.

On July 25, 2017, the United States Senate voted to proceed to debate on the American Health Care Act. The Senate voted 50–50, largely along party lines with the Republicans for and the Democrats against proceeding, requiring Vice President Pence to cast the tie-breaking vote. Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska crossed the aisle to vote against the motion.

On July 27, 2017, the Health Care Freedom Act, also known as the skinny repeal, was introduced. This bill was defeated 49–51, with Republican senators Susan Collins, John McCain, and Lisa Murkowski voting against it along with all the Democrats and independents.

On September 13, 2017, an amendment to the American Health Care Act, commonly known as Graham-Cassidy, was submitted. The bill was sponsored by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, with Bill Cassidy of Louisiana as a co-sponsor. A spokesman for the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that a vote was planned to occur before September 30, which was the deadline to pass bills under budget reconciliation. Rand Paul and John McCain indicated that they would vote against the bill. Ultimately, McConnell announced on September 26 that the Senate would not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill.

On October 12, 2017, President Donald Trump enacted the end to government subsidies provided to health insurance companies intended to assist with affordability. The Congressional Budget Office estimated by 2018, this loss would result in approximately a 20 percent increase in individual insurance premiums to maintain and extend insurance coverage to lower-income groups as well as result in a lower prevalence of insured individuals. The move for this action had mixed outlook from both Democrats and Republicans with its more instantaneous implementation, however opponents to the Affordable Care Act had supported the gradual implementation of this move since the introduction under the Obama administration in order to minimise responsibility for the policy.

On November 2, 2017, a bill later known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was introduced by Representative Kevin Brady of Texas. Included in the bill was the move to strike the basis of individual mandate taxation to zero percent, which exacted a tax penalty onto individuals who did not have “minimum essential health coverage” under the Affordable Care Act. While this was not a direct effort to repeal the ACA, economists deemed the loss of the individual mandate was associated with lower incentives and interest in obtaining health insurance coverage. The law was signed into effect on December 22, 2017 by Donald Trump, with the loss of individual mandate taxation being set to take effect January 1, 2019.”
Reply 73
Original post by Wired_1800
The NK question could not be answered in 4 years under the President. It was a good sign that Chairman Kim wanted to engage with the Americans. If President Biden wanted to engage with the North Koreans, he would have figured out what went wrong and adapted the approach.
I am not sure what you are arguing anymore.
according to your link, these were the events
“On January 12, 2017, the Senate voted 51 to 48 to pass an FY2017 budget resolution, S.Con.Res. 3, that contained language allowing the repeal of the Affordable Care Act through the budget reconciliation process, which disallows a filibuster in the Senate. In spite of efforts during the vote-a-rama (a proceeding in which each amendment was considered and voted upon for about 10 minutes each until all 160 were completed) that continued into the early hours of the morning, Democrats could not prevent "the GOP from following through on its repeal plans."
On January 20, 2017, Donald Trump was sworn in as President of the United States. Trump and many Republicans have vowed to repeal and replace Obamacare. President Trump signed an executive order on January 20, 2017, his first day in office, that according to then White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer would "ease the burden of Obamacare as we transition from repeal and replace". Spicer would not elaborate further when asked for more details.
On March 6, 2017, House Republicans announced their replacement for the ACA, the American Health Care Act. The bill was withdrawn on March 24, 2017 after it was certain that the House would fail to garner enough votes to pass it. The result was in-fighting within the Republican Party.
On May 4, 2017, the United States House of Representatives voted to pass the American Health Care Act (and thereby repeal most of the Affordable Care Act) by a narrow margin of 217 to 213, sending the bill to the Senate for deliberation. The Senate indicated they would write their own version of the bill, instead of voting on the House version. On June 22, the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 was unveiled.
On July 25, 2017, the United States Senate voted to proceed to debate on the American Health Care Act. The Senate voted 50–50, largely along party lines with the Republicans for and the Democrats against proceeding, requiring Vice President Pence to cast the tie-breaking vote. Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska crossed the aisle to vote against the motion.
On July 27, 2017, the Health Care Freedom Act, also known as the skinny repeal, was introduced. This bill was defeated 49–51, with Republican senators Susan Collins, John McCain, and Lisa Murkowski voting against it along with all the Democrats and independents.
On September 13, 2017, an amendment to the American Health Care Act, commonly known as Graham-Cassidy, was submitted. The bill was sponsored by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, with Bill Cassidy of Louisiana as a co-sponsor. A spokesman for the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that a vote was planned to occur before September 30, which was the deadline to pass bills under budget reconciliation. Rand Paul and John McCain indicated that they would vote against the bill. Ultimately, McConnell announced on September 26 that the Senate would not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill.
On October 12, 2017, President Donald Trump enacted the end to government subsidies provided to health insurance companies intended to assist with affordability. The Congressional Budget Office estimated by 2018, this loss would result in approximately a 20 percent increase in individual insurance premiums to maintain and extend insurance coverage to lower-income groups as well as result in a lower prevalence of insured individuals. The move for this action had mixed outlook from both Democrats and Republicans with its more instantaneous implementation, however opponents to the Affordable Care Act had supported the gradual implementation of this move since the introduction under the Obama administration in order to minimise responsibility for the policy.
On November 2, 2017, a bill later known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was introduced by Representative Kevin Brady of Texas. Included in the bill was the move to strike the basis of individual mandate taxation to zero percent, which exacted a tax penalty onto individuals who did not have “minimum essential health coverage” under the Affordable Care Act. While this was not a direct effort to repeal the ACA, economists deemed the loss of the individual mandate was associated with lower incentives and interest in obtaining health insurance coverage. The law was signed into effect on December 22, 2017 by Donald Trump, with the loss of individual mandate taxation being set to take effect January 1, 2019.”

There was little/no chance of north korea diplomacy ever working and giving kim a presidental meeting without any agreements/.. being in place (which would be the normal state) was again incredibly naive/incompetent on trumps part. The displomacy started to fall apart pretty much straight away, which isnt surprising as kims rule is based on an iron grip on the country and portraying america as the great enemy. The visit was a propaganda coup for north korea. As it had failed by the time he was voted out, stating trump would need more than 4 years is strange.

The previous two posts have tried to make my position on trumps failed efforts to repeal obamacare pretty clear. To use your language, maybe try reading them. The answer to “Who wrote this piece of crap Obamacare replacement bill?” was trump (just to be clear), which was why the bill was withdrawn in march. From the previous link

"Obamacare “is one of the greatest threats our country faces. It is unsustainable and will lead American into complete insolvency,” Trump said" - it didnt,

"one pundit dubbed a “magical mystery Obamacare alternative” failed to find enough support. It was “cruel magic thinking,” said another observer"

"Facing an inevitable “stinging defeat” in the House of Representatives, Trump eventually pulled the bil"

"Critics claimed that Trump was adhering to the “free-lunch fallacy” promising that people could pay less yet get more. Even The Wall Street Journal referred to the proposed health care bill as a “gamble,” suggesting that Trump’s plan basically boiled down to hoping fellow Republicans “won’t dare block it.”"

Political incompetence is a pretty apt description. Should be clear.
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Original post by Driving_Mad
Her main role as vice-president was to address illegal immigration from down south. Under her ruling there were record numbers of immigrants crossing the border illegally. I'm looking forward to Trump confronting her about this when they debate.
She can't even speak properly either despite her history as an attorney. Her only tactic to gain support is talking about how she is black, a minority, and a woman.
Typical victim behaviour.

She took on several specific issues as VP. Souther border immigration was just one. Numbers of migrants also increased under Trump, so hardly the "gotcha" moment you were hoping for. Some might say that rolling back Trump's inhumane border policies is actually a win for Harris. Depends on how you view migrants (as "criminals and rapists poisoning the blood of our country", or as people with human rights and needs looking for a better life).
Additionally, she raised billions in investment for over-border programmes to alleviate the issue. So another win.

On the issues of abortion rights and voter rights protections she made great strides.

Trump will never agree to debate her. 🤣

"She can't even speak properly"
What are you on about? Have you listened to her speeches? Clear, understandable and most importantly - rational.
Compared to Trump's incoherent ramblings she is the epitome of eloquence.
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Original post by mqb2766
There was little/no chance of north korea diplomacy ever working and giving kim a presidental meeting without any agreements/.. being in place (which would be the normal state) was again incredibly naive/incompetent on trumps part. The displomacy started to fall apart pretty much straight away, which isnt surprising as kims rule is based on an iron grip on the country and portraying america as the great enemy. The visit was a propaganda coup for north korea. As it had failed by the time he was voted out, stating trump would need more than 4 years is strange.
The previous two posts have tried to make my position on trumps failed efforts to repeal obamacare pretty clear. To use your language, maybe try reading them. The answer to “Who wrote this piece of crap Obamacare replacement bill?” was trump (just to be clear), which was why the bill was withdrawn in march. From the previous link

"Obamacare “is one of the greatest threats our country faces. It is unsustainable and will lead American into complete insolvency,” Trump said" - it didnt,

"one pundit dubbed a “magical mystery Obamacare alternative” failed to find enough support. It was “cruel magic thinking,” said another observer"

"Facing an inevitable “stinging defeat” in the House of Representatives, Trump eventually pulled the bil"

"Critics claimed that Trump was adhering to the “free-lunch fallacy” promising that people could pay less yet get more. Even The Wall Street Journal referred to the proposed health care bill as a “gamble,” suggesting that Trump’s plan basically boiled down to hoping fellow Republicans “won’t dare block it.”"

Political incompetence is a pretty apt description. Should be clear.

That’s BS to me. I don't believe that a hostile state of affairs that had lasted decades could have suddenly went to perfect normality in 4 years. I respect that the President at least tried to engage diplomatically.
Original post by Wired_1800
Trump is not the only politician who has been accused of sexual misconduct, lying, rhetoric or racial views.
It is incredible that you blast the President for what he has done and also for what he has not done. Many people were against his threatened removal of the affordable care act, yet you use it against him.
What failed North Korean Diplomacy? The one that Biden shelved? Come on.

You claim Trump and Biden are as bad as each other.
Is Biden a convicted felon?
Has Biden been found legally responsible for sexual assault?
Has Biden called political opponents "vermin" or anything similar?
Has Biden accused immigrants of "poisoning the blood of our country", or similar?
Has Biden referred to white supremacists as "very fine people"?

There is literally no comparison between the two.
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Original post by Wired_1800
That’s BS to me. I don't believe that a hostile state of affairs that had lasted decades could have suddenly went to perfect normality in 4 years. I respect that the President at least tried to engage diplomatically.

Its hardly bs that trumps efforts failed and kim was seen to be the winner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44484322
Time was not a problem with trumps attempt.
Original post by 2WheelGod
You claim Trump and Biden are as bad as each other.
Is Biden a convicted felon?
Has Biden been found legally responsible for sexual assault?
Has Biden called political opponents "vermin" or anything similar?
Has Biden accused immigrants of "poisoning the blood of our country", or similar?
Has Biden referred to white supremacists as "very fine people"?
There is literally no comparison between the two.

We will know whether these are true when Trump comes to power and his justice department investigates the Bidens.
Original post by mqb2766
Its hardly bs that trumps efforts failed and kim was seen to be the winner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44484322
Time was not a problem with trumps attempt.

This is not about being a winner. When the West sought to engage with the Soviet Union, there were many individuals who claimed that it would fail and it did fail at the time. Now, no idiot would still hold that position

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