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Reply 80
Original post by Wired_1800
This is not about being a winner. When the West sought to engage with the Soviet Union, there were many individuals who claimed that it would fail and it did fail at the time. Now, no idiot would still hold that position

Little / nothing happened afterwards, so it "failed". The only benefit was the suspension of military exercises in south korea so kim "won". North korea had a propaganda victory in bringing the great enemy to their backyard. Call it what you will, but trump got nothing out of the diplomatic effort and saying that something might happen in the (near) future is crystal ball gazing and it seems extremely unlikely under kims regime which shows no signs of wanting to reform as happened under gorbachev.

"She could not believe that after two visits by the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to Pyongyang and all the negotiations surrounding the on, off, on again' summit, the Trump team was able to emerge with quite so little."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44484322
Original post by mqb2766
Little / nothing happened afterwards, so it "failed". The only benefit was the suspension of military exercises in south korea so kim "won". North korea had a propaganda victory in bringing the great enemy to their backyard. Call it what you will, but trump got nothing out of the diplomatic effort and saying that something might happen in the (near) future is crystal ball gazing and it seems extremely unlikely under kims regime which shows no signs of wanting to reform as happened under gorbachev.
"She could not believe that after two visits by the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to Pyongyang and all the negotiations surrounding the on, off, on again' summit, the Trump team was able to emerge with quite so little."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44484322

WTF. Nothing happened because Trump lost the election.
Reply 82
Original post by Wired_1800
WTF. Nothing happened because Trump lost the election.

There was about 2.5 years between trumps visit in june 2018 and trump losing the election in nov 2020. Little/nothing happened in that time. It was widely regarded to have failed as in the posts/quotes above.

Tbh, Im kinda sick of the wtf, idiot, bs, ... in your replies.
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Original post by mqb2766
There was about 2.5 years between trumps visit in june 2018 and trump losing the election in nov 2020. Little/nothing happened in that time.
Tbh, Im kinda sick of the wtf, idiot, bs, ... in your replies.

Did you sleep through President Trump’s presidency? Did you forget that Trump had to fight multiple impeachments including the Russian hoax. You seem to be a stand up guy, surely you can acknowledge that Trump had his hands full with loads of internal problems.

I am not using those words at you but a general response. I will reduce the use of those words.
Reply 84
Original post by Wired_1800
Did you sleep through President Trump’s presidency? Did you forget that Trump had to fight multiple impeachments including the Russian hoax. You seem to be a stand up guy, surely you can acknowledge that Trump had his hands full with loads of internal problems.
I am not using those words at you but a general response. I will reduce the use of those words.

"sleep through"? I guess youre being ironic in that your language will improve.

There were no real efforts on either side in those 2.5 years, and it was all to predictable on kims side as its how he rules north korea. Trump went back to his twitter insults etc.

But no, I didnt sleep through that time.
Original post by mqb2766
"sleep through"? I guess youre being ironic in that your language will improve.
There were no real efforts on either side in those 2.5 years, and it was all to predictable on kims side as its how he rules north korea. Trump went back to his twitter insults etc.
But no, I didnt sleep through that time.

The President had several issues at home as the Dems made it almost ungovernable for him. I would still respect President Trump’s desire to engage.
Original post by Wired_1800
I don't think it is unprecedented or extreme. It is simply the lying media exploding the comments to make simple minds think they are unprecedented.
He wanted to repeal the affordable care act but was advised against it. You cannot attack him for doing things and not doing things. The argument then was that it would impact the working class voters that supported him, so he let it be. Surely, that’s a positive for him. If he had removed it, you would have been gung-ho about how he destroyed the healthcare access for millions of Americans.
For north korea, that’s an incredibly stupid position for the media to take. Did you follow the discourse then? I did. The media started off with that Chairman Kim wont want to meet Trump as he is a dictator who does not care, he did. Then it moved to, NK wont want to engage in meaningful discourse as they are aligned to China, they did. Then it moved to, Trump should not be engaging with NK because it is against decades of US Isolationist policy against NK, he did and even stepped foot in NK. Then it went to NK and US can never have a good MoU, they did and signed the first steps. Trump then lost the election and Biden shelved it.
What evidence do you want me to provide? I watch nonsense like a normal human being on the tv. I listen to the debates and opinions. I am then asked to show evidence. How tf can i show evidence that on 21.06.2022, person X came on the BBC and said XYZ.

Just to be clear, is everything said about all politicians "simply the lying media", or is it only when they comment on right wing politicians?
Reply 87
Original post by Wired_1800
The President had several issues at home as the Dems made it almost ungovernable for him. I would still respect President Trump’s desire to engage.

He was 1.5 years into his term in june 2018. Trumps first impeachment started in Dec 2019, 1.5 years after the meeting with north korea. There is a huge difference between engaging at a diplomatic level and having a presidental visit with an isolated nation, especially when there is little/no outcome.
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Original post by Wired_1800
We will know whether these are true when Trump comes to power and his justice department investigates the Bidens.

So in other words, no, Biden has not done or said any of those things - but if Trump wins the election he will fabricate some charges against him?
Original post by mqb2766
He was 1.5 years into his term in june 2018. Trumps first impeachment started in Dec 2019, 1.5 years after the meeting with north korea. There is a huge difference between engaging at a diplomatic level and having a presidental visit with an isolated nation, especially when there is little/no outcome.

Diplomacy with North Korea was not the only foreign policy issue that was on Trump’s desk. He could not have spent his entire political power on focusing on North Korea.
Original post by 2WheelGod
So in other words, no, Biden has not done or said any of those things - but if Trump wins the election he will fabricate some charges against him?

We simply need to see what the charges against sleepy Joe will be.
Original post by 2WheelGod
Just to be clear, is everything said about all politicians "simply the lying media", or is it only when they comment on right wing politicians?

To me, majority of the stuff that comes from the media is either speculation or fabrication regardless of the political angle.
Original post by Wired_1800
Did you sleep through President Trump’s presidency? Did you forget that Trump had to fight multiple impeachments including the Russian hoax. You seem to be a stand up guy, surely you can acknowledge that Trump had his hands full with loads of internal problems.
I am not using those words at you but a general response. I will reduce the use of those words.

So Trump's inaction in office was because he was being impeached for treason-like activities?
Hardly the glowing reference.
Original post by 2WheelGod
So Trump's inaction in office was because he was being impeached for treason-like activities?
Hardly the glowing reference.

:lol:
Original post by Wired_1800
We simply need to see what the charges against sleepy Joe will be.

We know what the charges against Trump are, and have been. They are part of the court and public record.
Your argument that they are as bad as each other is based on the speculation that there might be some, as yet undiscovered actions and statements by Biden?

So to sum up - you accept that Trump is a divisive criminal, but hope that Biden might somehow be proved to be the same in the future.
In other words, they are not as bad as each other, you merely hope they are as bad as each other.
Reply 95
Original post by Wired_1800
Diplomacy with North Korea was not the only foreign policy issue that was on Trump’s desk. He could not have spent his entire political power on focusing on North Korea.

Trump and his officials spent a fair amount of time on visits, diplomacy, ... over that time. Noone is suggesting that it was his only policy during that time, which is the answer you seem to be giving. The diplomacy failed and kim had a fair amount of propaganda successes while giving little away.
Original post by mqb2766
Trump and his officials spent a fair amount of time on visits, diplomacy, ... over that time. Noone is suggesting that it was his only policy during that time, which is the answer you seem to be giving. The diplomacy failed and kim had a fair amount of propaganda successes while giving little away.

How long do you think the engagement with the Soviets took? It took decades. Diplomacy takes a while.
Original post by 2WheelGod
We know what the charges against Trump are, and have been. They are part of the court and public record.
Your argument that they are as bad as each other is based on the speculation that there might be some, as yet undiscovered actions and statements by Biden?
So to sum up - you accept that Trump is a divisive criminal, but hope that Biden might somehow be proved to be the same in the future.
In other words, they are not as bad as each other, you merely hope they are as bad as each other.

You are right.
Original post by Wired_1800
To me, majority of the stuff that comes from the media is either speculation or fabrication regardless of the political angle.

How are reports of the proceedings of Trumps court cases "speculation or fabrication"?
How are recordings of him making the "vermin", "poisoning the blood", "very fine people on both sides", "I'll fix future elections", etc statements "speculation or fabrication"?

You claim to reject speculation, yet your position against Biden rests entirely on speculation.
Some consistency please.
Reply 99
Original post by Wired_1800
How long do you think the engagement with the Soviets took? It took decades. Diplomacy takes a while.

You keep answering different questions. If you want to spin this into an engaging with north korea / ussr thread, go ahead, but the ussr fell apart when it was weak economically and there was a leader willing to engage with the west. The latter isnt the case here and trumps efforts have achieved little/nothing.

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