Gareth Southgate: time to stay or go as England manager?
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Should Southgate stay or go?
After last night's loss to Spain, as usual the discussion centres on the future of the England manager, Gareth Southgate.
Since he's taken charge, he's delivered a semi-final (World Cup 2018), final (Euro 2020), quarter final (World Cup 2022), final (Euro 2024) which - other than the actual trophies - is deemed a "success" of his time in charge.
He's praised for improving the culture and supporting players on issues such as Black Lives Matter.
However, I do think his time has come to an end. He's been given a long run as coach and whilst he has improved the outcomes for the team from a results point of view, the lack of a trophy will haunt him. Specifically, Euro 2020 final against Italy will haunt him as the one that got away.
He has followed Deschamps style of play which has given France a World Cup, but not the consistent trophies with the quality of their players they have.
Similarly to club football, if a manager plays conservatively it's accepted if they win trophies. When you don't then questions are rightly asked about the coach's tactical plan.
It's hard to see who replaces him (Eddie Howe? Urgh) and that may factor into the FA and Southgate jointly agreeing to work together as there's no outstanding candidate to replace him.
Since he's taken charge, he's delivered a semi-final (World Cup 2018), final (Euro 2020), quarter final (World Cup 2022), final (Euro 2024) which - other than the actual trophies - is deemed a "success" of his time in charge.
He's praised for improving the culture and supporting players on issues such as Black Lives Matter.
However, I do think his time has come to an end. He's been given a long run as coach and whilst he has improved the outcomes for the team from a results point of view, the lack of a trophy will haunt him. Specifically, Euro 2020 final against Italy will haunt him as the one that got away.
He has followed Deschamps style of play which has given France a World Cup, but not the consistent trophies with the quality of their players they have.
Similarly to club football, if a manager plays conservatively it's accepted if they win trophies. When you don't then questions are rightly asked about the coach's tactical plan.
It's hard to see who replaces him (Eddie Howe? Urgh) and that may factor into the FA and Southgate jointly agreeing to work together as there's no outstanding candidate to replace him.
Reply 1
He should have gone after losing to France at the world cup 2 years ago. He has had the stuffing knocked out of him since that game.
This euros was an embarrassment for England. Getting to the finals on sheer dumb luck and individual moments of brilliance cannot be relied upon.
Nothing in Gareths tactics did anything for us in any game. We would have done exactly what we did without him.
Also his inability to drop players when needed disgusts me. Harry kane should not be near this team. He is a great player but does not fit in with this squad. He cannot run and I now even question his ability to hold the ball up. He only ever scored penalties. I'd have rather had Toney or Watkins every game over kane. People with pace who can keep up on the break or make the required forward runs. Kane is a poacher, we don't need a poacher
This euros was an embarrassment for England. Getting to the finals on sheer dumb luck and individual moments of brilliance cannot be relied upon.
Nothing in Gareths tactics did anything for us in any game. We would have done exactly what we did without him.
Also his inability to drop players when needed disgusts me. Harry kane should not be near this team. He is a great player but does not fit in with this squad. He cannot run and I now even question his ability to hold the ball up. He only ever scored penalties. I'd have rather had Toney or Watkins every game over kane. People with pace who can keep up on the break or make the required forward runs. Kane is a poacher, we don't need a poacher
Reply 3
Original post by Zerforax
Southgate has quit as England manager just a short while ago.
For the best. Now we can get a manager who isn't reactionary
Reply 5
Guess that Potter is next.
Original post by Guru Jason
For the best. Now we can get a manager who isn't reactionary
I think fundamentally we have to acnowledge that at the heart of the issue is that the Premier League is too international for its own good. We have like 3 English managers in England now which is absurd. The talent pool is just too thin and simply put, I dont think any manager can get a song out of the players who are individually brilliant. Foden isn't as good without KDB, Saka without Odegaard, Bellingham without his team mates etc etc. It's a question of mentality as much as anything, the squad dont seem to ever be able to mould into a unit and that comes back to the International nature of the PL I reckon
But yes Southgate was very very lucky. Just a cuck basically, England might have a chance with someone who can ****-house the competition. Personally I'd have gone with someone like Mourinho tbh
(edited 10 months ago)
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