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I don't understand the logic of being pro this country or pro the other country. Shouldn't we not pick sides. If both countries have casualties should we not try and help out both. Or am I getting the meaning or message wrong with being pro something?

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From a humanitarian POV, yes, of course. But in cases where one country has actively invaded another then we can choose to be more or less sympthatetic.

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Support without exclusion

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by maxxisz
I don't understand the logic of being pro this country or pro the other country. Shouldn't we not pick sides. If both countries have casualties should we not try and help out both. Or am I getting the meaning or message wrong with being pro something?

Support everyone and promote global harmony.

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Simple. One country/state attacks another, people will support the other country. That's why people are against Russia and hamas.

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There is alsonrhe moral aspect to it. Do you think aggressors like russia or Hamas will stop after their current war. No, Russia will go for Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova. Hamas will continue their jihad west if they destroyed Israel.

We stand up for the defenders because we know, one day it could be us and if we don't stand with them now, there will be no one to stand with us later.

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by Guru Jason
There is alsonrhe moral aspect to it. Do you think aggressors like russia or Hamas will stop after their current war. No, Russia will go for Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova. Hamas will continue their jihad west if they destroyed Israel.

We stand up for the defenders because we know, one day it could be us and if we don't stand with them now, there will be no one to stand with us later.


Your stance on Israel/Palestine is hypocritical. If you don’t support Ukraine being invaded then you cannot support Isreals existence. Anytime there is colonising /occupying force there will ALWAYS be resistance.

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by Rahamma
Your stance on Israel/Palestine is hypocritical. If you don’t support Ukraine being invaded then you cannot support Isreals existence. Anytime there is colonising /occupying force there will ALWAYS be resistance.

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Both isreal and palistine existed before the Oct 7th attack when hamas started their war to eliminate isreal. Once the defender Isreal defeats hamas, we can go back to a 2 state solution with isreal and whomever leads palistine after hamas is dead.

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by Guru Jason
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Both isreal and palistine existed before the Oct 7th attack when hamas started their war to eliminate isreal. Once the defender Isreal defeats hamas, we can go back to a 2 state solution with isreal and whomever leads palistine after hamas is dead.


October 6th there were 5000 Palestinian hostages imprisoned with majority being children. This did not start October 7th but in 1948. When Israel was created by colonisers.

The two state solution is not a solution it’s colonialism. The land was handed over to them by the British and those initial borders have not even been respected. Isreal has left Palestinians with settlements however if they fight back its ‘Jihad’. They have multiple human rights violations with even South Africa taking them to court and referring to it as an apartheid state.

If it started October 7th why have both nelson Mandela and Malcolm x have the oppertunity to communicate their support for the Palestinian people?

Ultimately this is only happening because white Jewish people are valued more than brown Muslims.
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by maxxisz
I don't understand the logic of being pro this country or pro the other country. Shouldn't we not pick sides. If both countries have casualties should we not try and help out both. Or am I getting the meaning or message wrong with being pro something?

The simple reason imho is that some people are brainwashed.

Let me give you a simple example. It is well-known that Britain has been burdened by the cost of living crisis. We also know that child poverty has been rising. Yet, the Government over the years have spent billions of your and my money to support the Ukraine. Let that sink in.

Until the British public wake up from their slumber, they would continue to be mugged off.

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by Wired_1800
The simple reason imho is that some people are brainwashed.
Let me give you a simple example. It is well-known that Britain has been burdened by the cost of living crisis. We also know that child poverty has been rising. Yet, the Government over the years have spent billions of your and my money to support the Ukraine. Let that sink in.
Until the British public wake up from their slumber, they would continue to be mugged off.

I think it's more than acceptable to have a division of funds between the needs of Brits and those who are in war zones overseas. Yes, we have problems that need to be solved here in Britain, but we are not literally being bombed out of our homes. We have a fantastic infrastructure here. Until you have high explosives being dropped on you, don't tell Palestinians or Ukrainians that you need support more than them.

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by anosmianAcrimony
I think it's more than acceptable to have a division of funds between the needs of Brits and those who are in war zones overseas. Yes, we have problems that need to be solved here in Britain, but we are not literally being bombed out of our homes. We have a fantastic infrastructure here. Until you have high explosives being dropped on you, don't tell Palestinians or Ukrainians that you need support more than them.

I am not against supporting other countries but not at the expense of hungry children living in Britain.

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President Biden has withdrawn from seeking re-election.The Democrat deep state has finally pushed him out.

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Nation states have always formed alliances and generously supported some countries while neglecting the needs and interests of others. What lies behind this is perceived national interest, often dressed up as taking the moral high ground.

Sadly, there are many miscalculations when such support leads to the prolonging of war and suffering.

It is unconscionable to encourage another country to fight a war that it cannot win, while at the same time squandering taxpayers' money that is badly needed at home. By way of example, the incoming Labour government has just committed £3 billion per year until 2030 to support the Zelensky administration in Ukraine when it claims that it cannot afford to end the two child benefit cap here in the UK.

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by Supermature
Nation states have always formed alliances and generously supported some countries while neglecting the needs and interests of others. What lies behind this is perceived national interest, often dressed up as taking the moral high ground.
Sadly, there are many miscalculations when such support leads to the prolonging of war and suffering.
It is unconscionable to encourage another country to fight a war that it cannot win, while at the same time squandering taxpayers' money that is badly needed at home. By way of example, the incoming Labour government has just committed £3 billion per year until 2030 to support the Zelensky administration in Ukraine when it claims that it cannot afford to end the two child benefit cap here in the UK.

The reality is they cannot let Russia succeed in Ukraine or it will move on to NATO countries which will then require us to be physically and financially involved in war with Russia.It is cheaper to prop up Ukraine in the long term.
It is like the cutting of the foreign aid budget.It would be a false economy.

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by Scotney
The reality is they cannot let Russia succeed in Ukraine or it will move on to NATO countries which will then require us to be physically and financially involved in war with Russia.It is cheaper to prop up Ukraine in the long term.
It is like the cutting of the foreign aid budget.It would be a false economy.

Despite the death toll, wasted billions and false propaganda, Russia is still winning there. President Putin needs to hold on until Trump comes in for Zelensky to be removed.

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by Wired_1800
I am not against supporting other countries but not at the expense of hungry children living in Britain.

fully agreed, whats more I think it should be a higher priority to feed and aid the hungry children in Africa, than assist a war.

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by DG1203
fully agreed, whats more I think it should be a higher priority to feed and aid the hungry children in Africa, than assist a war.

Exactly. Misplaced priorities

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by Wired_1800
The simple reason imho is that some people are brainwashed.
Let me give you a simple example. It is well-known that Britain has been burdened by the cost of living crisis. We also know that child poverty has been rising. Yet, the Government over the years have spent billions of your and my money to support the Ukraine. Let that sink in.
Until the British public wake up from their slumber, they would continue to be mugged off.

this makes me even more confused lol

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by maxxisz
this makes me even more confused lol

Yeah. Silly priorities

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