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Has anyone gotten into Oxbridge with a 2:2 & High Masters?

Hey Everyone,

I am trying to apply to Oxbridge next cycle for an MSc or MPhil in Development/Policy/Social Studies/Law... not looking at Doctorates just yet and I need some advice, reassurance, or clarity based on my background and my prospects, if you could help.. I'd be most grateful!

Some background:

I've had a somewhat non-traditional background because of some poor financial mistakes that took me out of the University of Toronto (I'm Canadian) for my BComm to the online University of London Programmes (with LSE) for my BSc in Development, which I finished during COVID with a 2:2.

I had exentuating circumstances (parents both lost jobs so I had to work full-time and finish my 3rd year full-time) and my grades ended up dropping from a 2:1 in Y2 to 2:2 in Y3. Nonetheless, I pursued a Masters at a private French Institute and got a Distinction there in European Policy and IR. I then did an LLM at Leeds Beckett (Law Conversion) also in a Distinction and then did my Masters at Harvard Extension, also Distinction.

I have participated in 2 research projects (no published papers), and work intimately with UN organizations in the advocacy space.

I'm really hung up on this 2:2 and Oxbridge makes me feel like no one will look past my poor mistakes. I really want to prove to myself that I can do it and that I have a shot to achieve my dream - if anyone can share any success stories, I would be most grateful.
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You have achieved recent successful postgraduate degrees. So you should be a 'competitive' applicant for Oxford. 🙂
If you submit evidence of the ECs, your application can be considered in light of them. Oxford postgraduate application has a section for this. And they say on their website that they'll consider someone below the minimum if they have ECs. Usually, you need to prove that you submitted these ECs to your undergrad university first and they were unable to take them into account. What Oxford can do is place higher emphasis on grades where you weren't affected by the ECs, what they cannot do is guess what you would have gotten.

I would also add that it matters what you're applying for. Oxford usually says they want a 2.1 minimum mainly bc they need to be wary of the fact that a high 2.1 from Cambridge ( and maybe imperial) is the same as a 1 from a slightly less competitive university. It's also true that for some maths programs, a strong masters degree can satisfy a 1st class requirement if not achieved at bachelors. So perhaps your strong masters requirements can override the undergrad. All in all, I think playing a guessing game doesn't help. I would say apply for the program. Submit your ECs. Write a strong statement and leave the rest to fate.
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Original post by thegeek888
You have achieved recent successful postgraduate degrees. So you should be a 'competitive' applicant for Oxford. 🙂

Thank you for saying this. Do you speak as a student there or you feel that that showcases I'm competitive? Some of the Masters courses will say, even if you've gone on to have professional experience or achieved higher in postgraduate degrees, they wont consider your 2:2, which is beyond discouraging.
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Original post by Anonymous
If you submit evidence of the ECs, your application can be considered in light of them. Oxford postgraduate application has a section for this. And they say on their website that they'll consider someone below the minimum if they have ECs. Usually, you need to prove that you submitted these ECs to your undergrad university first and they were unable to take them into account. What Oxford can do is place higher emphasis on grades where you weren't affected by the ECs, what they cannot do is guess what you would have gotten.
I would also add that it matters what you're applying for. Oxford usually says they want a 2.1 minimum mainly bc they need to be wary of the fact that a high 2.1 from Cambridge ( and maybe imperial) is the same as a 1 from a slightly less competitive university. It's also true that for some maths programs, a strong masters degree can satisfy a 1st class requirement if not achieved at bachelors. So perhaps your strong masters requirements can override the undergrad. All in all, I think playing a guessing game doesn't help. I would say apply for the program. Submit your ECs. Write a strong statement and leave the rest to fate.

Thank you, I'll apply. I'll most certainly note the ECs as they definitely had a hand in why I didn't finish with a 2:1. I understand what you're saying about contextualizing. I was just hoping a student, or someone in a similar predicament, or even faculty here could quell my worries.
Original post by mdjf2023
Thank you for saying this. Do you speak as a student there or you feel that that showcases I'm competitive? Some of the Masters courses will say, even if you've gone on to have professional experience or achieved higher in postgraduate degrees, they wont consider your 2:2, which is beyond discouraging.

FYI the geek888 hasn't even applied for undergrad yet. They are not best qualified to comment on postgrad admissions...:fyi:
Original post by mdjf2023
Hey Everyone,
I am trying to apply to Oxbridge next cycle for an MSc or MPhil in Development/Policy/Social Studies/Law... not looking at Doctorates just yet and I need some advice, reassurance, or clarity based on my background and my prospects, if you could help.. I'd be most grateful!
Some background:
I've had a somewhat non-traditional background because of some poor financial mistakes that took me out of the University of Toronto (I'm Canadian) for my BComm to the online University of London Programmes (with LSE) for my BSc in Development, which I finished during COVID with a 2:2.
I had exentuating circumstances (parents both lost jobs so I had to work full-time and finish my 3rd year full-time) and my grades ended up dropping from a 2:1 in Y2 to 2:2 in Y3. Nonetheless, I pursued a Masters at a private French Institute and got a Distinction there in European Policy and IR. I then did an LLM at Leeds Beckett (Law Conversion) also in a Distinction and then did my Masters at Harvard Extension, also Distinction.
I have participated in 2 research projects (no published papers), and work intimately with UN organizations in the advocacy space.
I'm really hung up on this 2:2 and Oxbridge makes me feel like no one will look past my poor mistakes. I really want to prove to myself that I can do it and that I have a shot to achieve my dream - if anyone can share any success stories, I would be most grateful.

To be honest, I don't think you would be very competitive from what you've said there.

You don't have a specific academic focus - you mention at least 3 very different courses.
You've got an incomplete undergrad, topped up by a non-name online programme, and got a 2.2
Then you have a non-named French Masters - it would have to be an institute like Sciences-Po.
Then a law conversion with Distinction - shows you can rote learn and apply, but isn't considered a PG academic qualification for admissions/progression.
The Harvard program - depends whether it was the selective or open access course.

Basically you are proposing to apply to courses that have about 30, maybe 40 places, and a global applicant pool. The chances of 300 or so people in the world having stronger academic and professional profiles than you and making an application seem to be quite high.

On the other hand, maybe you haven't explained them in depth on here. If it was Sciences Po and a competitive Harvard course, and your professional experience is directly relevant and you can focus your application, then Cambridge is certainly open to consider alternative routes.

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