Reply 1
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The fields are too competitive to get a job
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The salary in the job is too low to sustain any reasonable living (especially in the current and foreseeable future)
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The employment and work isn't as satisfying or meet the initial impression of what they thought it was like
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universities can end up getting less funding in some subjects and throughout the uni overall
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more would be uni students would have entered the job market earlier, thereby increasing tax revenues
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there would be less burden on student finance, and thereby allow more funding to be channelled into universities (if the government bodies end up doing so) as well as into securing job posts that do require degrees
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outstanding student loans that are never expected to be fully repaid (because the jobs that students get with the degrees don't command salaries that even meet minimum requirements to repay the loans) would less likely to be issued to students, which can promote a decline for those subjects being taught at universities
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the smaller student population may mean the university facilities would be cut back, which can improve quality of education due to better attention paid to individual students vs less facilities to improve research - particularly relevant in light on current news on university finances, especially after Brexit and the decline of international student populations
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less competition for places at uni and into research posts, and attract students who want to do the degree because of their love of the subject, because they want to go into academia, because they need the degree for the specific job that they want, or a combination.
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less mobility and movement across countries for academic and job purposes
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Most of the degrees that do require a degree (as opposed to gaining a professional qualification or getting into a degree apprenticeship) tend to be those in the public sector - so quite fitting
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Job prospects do not only depend on academic performance (if relevant at all); personality tests and aptitude tests would likely be required prior to enrolling onto degree courses under the above idea - psychometric tests having a number of issues regarding their validity, effectiveness, and measuring what they are supposed to measure
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The education sector would drastically shrink along with the public finance that fund the sector
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Some academic subjects should still be available to be taught at university, even if they don't produce a positive return in terms of job prospects
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The material taught in universities would likely be more tailored to what is required in the job as opposed to what academics want to teach
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A number of jobs in the public sector tend to train their staff in house as opposed to requesting job candidates to have degrees, which can imply it's often cheaper and faster for employers to have their own training schemes
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Professional qualifications are known to be more useful, applicable, and practical than knowledge in academic degrees. These qualifications are also usually cheaper and require less time to complete than a degree. However, there would also be nuances that need to be noted because the qualifications would sometimes only be relevant for specific roles within a specific sector.
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A number of degrees across different universities are already accredited by specific professional bodies for job purposes. Those that aren't tend to be more academic degrees and more suited for academic purposes.
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There would be less flexibility and freedom to what academics teach, and how universities administer their qualifications.
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Should students decide not to pursue their subject in the appropriate occupation for their degree post qualification, there should be support provided for students to change fields. What should be provided
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Under the scheme, students would need to provided appropriate and extensive career information prior to enrolling onto the degree of their choice
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Also, where possible, students are likely required to undertake appropriate work experience suitable for their degree of choice prior to their enrolment for their degree. If most of the jobs that require degrees are in the public sector, what steps should the government take to provide work placements for these candidates?
Reply 2
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The fields are too competitive to get a job
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The salary in the job is too low to sustain any reasonable living (especially in the current and foreseeable future)
•
The employment and work isn't as satisfying or meet the initial impression of what they thought it was like
•
universities can end up getting less funding in some subjects and throughout the uni overall
•
more would be uni students would have entered the job market earlier, thereby increasing tax revenues
•
there would be less burden on student finance, and thereby allow more funding to be channelled into universities (if the government bodies end up doing so) as well as into securing job posts that do require degrees
•
outstanding student loans that are never expected to be fully repaid (because the jobs that students get with the degrees don't command salaries that even meet minimum requirements to repay the loans) would less likely to be issued to students, which can promote a decline for those subjects being taught at universities
•
the smaller student population may mean the university facilities would be cut back, which can improve quality of education due to better attention paid to individual students vs less facilities to improve research - particularly relevant in light on current news on university finances, especially after Brexit and the decline of international student populations
•
less competition for places at uni and into research posts, and attract students who want to do the degree because of their love of the subject, because they want to go into academia, because they need the degree for the specific job that they want, or a combination.
•
less mobility and movement across countries for academic and job purposes
•
Most of the degrees that do require a degree (as opposed to gaining a professional qualification or getting into a degree apprenticeship) tend to be those in the public sector - so quite fitting
•
Job prospects do not only depend on academic performance (if relevant at all); personality tests and aptitude tests would likely be required prior to enrolling onto degree courses under the above idea - psychometric tests having a number of issues regarding their validity, effectiveness, and measuring what they are supposed to measure
•
The education sector would drastically shrink along with the public finance that fund the sector
•
Some academic subjects should still be available to be taught at university, even if they don't produce a positive return in terms of job prospects
•
The material taught in universities would likely be more tailored to what is required in the job as opposed to what academics want to teach
•
A number of jobs in the public sector tend to train their staff in house as opposed to requesting job candidates to have degrees, which can imply it's often cheaper and faster for employers to have their own training schemes
•
Professional qualifications are known to be more useful, applicable, and practical than knowledge in academic degrees. These qualifications are also usually cheaper and require less time to complete than a degree. However, there would also be nuances that need to be noted because the qualifications would sometimes only be relevant for specific roles within a specific sector.
•
A number of degrees across different universities are already accredited by specific professional bodies for job purposes. Those that aren't tend to be more academic degrees and more suited for academic purposes.
•
There would be less flexibility and freedom to what academics teach, and how universities administer their qualifications.
•
Should students decide not to pursue their subject in the appropriate occupation for their degree post qualification, there should be support provided for students to change fields. What should be provided
•
Under the scheme, students would need to provided appropriate and extensive career information prior to enrolling onto the degree of their choice
•
Also, where possible, students are likely required to undertake appropriate work experience suitable for their degree of choice prior to their enrolment for their degree. If most of the jobs that require degrees are in the public sector, what steps should the government take to provide work placements for these candidates?
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