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When graduates look and apply for a legal sector job, is it common that law firms all look at the university you graduated from and make a choice or have reservations due to the university you went to?
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Reply 1

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by Amygoodall1204
When graduates look and apply for a legal sector job, is it common that law firms all look at the university you graduated from and make a choice or have reservations due to the university you went to?
Thanks

There are no university preferences at any law firms that I can think of. Many of them recruit university blind nowadays anyway.

Reply 2

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by Amygoodall1204
When graduates look and apply for a legal sector job, is it common that law firms all look at the university you graduated from and make a choice or have reservations due to the university you went to?
Thanks

Law firms and barristers chambers recruit on merit, not on the names of universities.

Reply 3

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by Stiffy Byng
Law firms and barristers chambers recruit on merit, not on the names of universities.

Thanks i think i just saw something and started getting all worried due to it haha!

Reply 4

If you look at where recent recruits in large law firms and chambers studied, they often studied at Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, KCL, QMUL, Durham, Bristol, Nottingham, Warwick, and so on, but this reflects the admissions standards and peer group quality of those universities. As noted above, recruitment is quite often done university-blind.

Reply 5

Yes, firms and chambers care which uni you attended. It matters more at US/MC firms and at most chambers. Obviously, this isn't their only concern but having the "right" university on your application can open doors and firms will take interested students at target unis out for dinners to meet them in year 1 o 2.

Is it the only route to a "big firm"? No. My trainee cohort had people from various unis.

Also, recruitment is not usually "university-blind". I certainly never came across a VC, TC or NQ job application which didn't ask you to name the uni you graduated from.

Reply 6

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by crazycanuck
Yes, firms and chambers care which uni you attended. It matters more at US/MC firms and at most chambers. Obviously, this isn't their only concern but having the "right" university on your application can open doors and firms will take interested students at target unis out for dinners to meet them in year 1 o 2.
Is it the only route to a "big firm"? No. My trainee cohort had people from various unis.
Also, recruitment is not usually "university-blind". I certainly never came across a VC, TC or NQ job application which didn't ask you to name the uni you graduated from.

Do you have frst-hand experience of what "most chambers" think, want, or do?

I don't think that sets of chambers have collective minds.

In the two sets of chambers of which I have been a member (one Magic Circle, one not), recruitment was/is on merit, not on name of university. My current chambers, and I think my pevious chambers, recruit university-blind.

Do Oxbridge etc have an edge? Yes, they do. This is because they tend to produce more competitive candidates, not because people check for college ties.

Are you involved in recruitment at your firm? At some firms (not all firms), the recruitment panel is not informed of where candidates went to university.

Reply 7

I think the give away is that the big firms don't hold events in many non-RG universities or sponsor their law societies. Many of the trainees from non-RG unis have super high grades like firsts and academic awards of achievement. Others would paralegal at firms for years before starting a TC.

Reply 8

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by Academic007
I think the give away is that the big firms don't hold events in many non-RG universities or sponsor their law societies. Many of the trainees from non-RG unis have super high grades like firsts and academic awards of achievement. Others would paralegal at firms for years before starting a TC.


Universities apply their own marking standards, and it is unrealistic to suggest that a first from, say, Bedfordshire is always equivalent to a first from, say, UCL. In a university-blind selection process, a star candidate who has graduated from Bedfordshire may succeed, but he or she is at risk of losing to the UCL graduate because the latter has had a deeper, wider, and more rigorous university education. UCL has more resources than Bedfordshire. UCL can apply high entrance standards and recruit students who have strong academic profiles.

It is of course possible to do very well with a degree from a university not generally regarded as distinguished, but it's probably harder to do so.

Selection processes are biased in favour of ability and potential, and it may be easier for the UCL graduate to demonstrate ability and potential than the Bedfordshire graduate. Thus, even when the selectors do not know which universities the two candidates went to, the UCL graduate may well still come out ahead.

Perhaps the Bedfordshire graduate is a victim of structural inequality. He or she grew up poor, with little parental support, and went to a rotten State school. The UCL graduate grew up in a comfortable but not wealthy middle class home with loving parents, and went to a good State school. But that's a whole different topic.

Reply 9

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by Stiffy Byng
Universities apply their own marking standards, and it is unrealistic to suggest that a first from, say, Bedfordshire is always equivalent to a first from, say, UCL. In a university-blind selection process, a star candidate who has graduated from Bedfordshire may succeed, but he or she is at risk of losing to the UCL graduate because the latter has had a deeper, wider, and more rigorous university education. UCL has more resources than Bedfordshire. UCL can apply high entrance standards and recruit students who have strong academic profiles.
It is of course possible to do very well with a degree from a university not generally regarded as distinguished, but it's probably harder to do so.
Selection processes are biased in favour of ability and potential, and it may be easier for the UCL graduate to demonstrate ability and potential than the Bedfordshire graduate. Thus, even when the selectors do not know which universities the two candidates went to, the UCL graduate may well still come out ahead.
Perhaps the Bedfordshire graduate is a victim of structural inequality. He or she grew up poor, with little parental support, and went to a rotten State school. The UCL graduate grew up in a comfortable but not wealthy middle class home with loving parents, and went to a good State school. But that's a whole different topic.

Its funny you use UCL as an example because I turned down UCL for Nottingham because I can't stand living in London but I get your point about reputation. There are a few decent non-RG unis though, I can think of SOAS for instance, who wouldn't be seen as subpar.

I considered completing an apprenticeship with a firm before applying for uni because it made more sense financially but then realised I'd gain an LLB from the University of Law or City which would hurt my prospects long term. It's ridiculous because on paper you would be equally as qualified after an apprenticeship and receive a training contract too, whilst earning an income over the whole 6 years. Now I'm in debt and have no guarantee of securing a TC, I wish uni prestige was never a thing.
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Reply 10

If you don't like living in London then a TC in a regional city might be a good option. A lawyer can have a good practice and a good quality of life working in places like Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, and so on.

The prestige of a university isn't usually an accidental thing. UCL tends to be seen as better than Nottingham, although Nottingham is of course well regarded, and many Nottingham graduates do well as solicitors or at the Bar.

I used UCL and Bedfordshire as examples because I have relevant experience of both (I am a practising barrister and I sometimes teach law part-time).

Reply 11

I add that it is too early to say how well those who take solicitor apprentice route will do in their careers, because that route is relatively new, and most aspirant entrants to the profession are probably still taking degrees in law or other subjects and then seeking TCs or pupillages.

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