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Hi, I am about to join a university in London in September. Due to the riots going on there, is it safe to come this year or should I drop the plan?
Volunteer Note: this thread has been closed as the question has been answered comprehensively, and there is another thread about the riots in the news and current affairs forum for more general discussion.
Volunteer Note: this thread has been closed as the question has been answered comprehensively, and there is another thread about the riots in the news and current affairs forum for more general discussion.
(edited 2 months ago)
There are no riots going on in London.
Original post by applepie_apple
Hi, I am about to join a university in London in September. Due to the riots going on there, is it safe to come this year or should I drop the plan?
To be honest, seeing how aggressive they are to immigrants in general during these riots (I've heard stories about assaults, gas attacks and what not), I am more and more worried about heading to UK to study as well. These aggressive stories don't take root out of nowhere as well, hate crimes have been common even before these riots, especially towards people of colour.
I wouldn't blame you for rethinking your choice, to be honest. Of course, there is still a sliver of chance that all of these can be controlled and people can start acting like mature adults that aren't prone to violence soon,,, But I have my reservations on that too.
I am happy to be convinced otherwise though! :-)
Original post by applepie_apple
Hi, I am about to join a university in London in September. Due to the riots going on there, is it safe to come this year or should I drop the plan?
I would say don’t drop the plan, these riots are going to stop soon and many have been arrested and are facing jail time and there will always be racists people in this UK so just be careful and if u believe in God just leave with prayers you will be protected
Original post by Jsjskscjosjejs
Yeh as of now there aren’t riots in London but apparently they r coming but don’t worry ur safe if they step London they wont leave intact especially if they plan on coming Hackney, lewisham, peckam, Kilburn etc… they wont be coming back ur good
Thank you so much for the insights.
Original post by Jsjskscjosjejs
I would say don’t drop the plan, these riots are going to stop soon and many have been arrested and are facing jail time and there will always be racists people in this UK so just be careful and if u believe in God just leave with prayers you will be protected
Thank you so much for the insights.
Original post by applepie_apple
Hi, I am about to join a university in London in September. Due to the riots going on there, is it safe to come this year or should I drop the plan?
As a london native, I personally haven’t been affected by it. What is shown in the media can sometimes make it seem like that’s how it is in the entire city. I have been able to continue my day as usual but it probably will affect transport
Original post by Butterflywings24
As a london native, I personally haven’t been affected by it. What is shown in the media can sometimes make it seem like that’s how it is in the entire city. I have been able to continue my day as usual but it probably will affect transport
do you think the situation will get normal by mid-september?
Original post by applepie_apple
do you think the situation will get normal by mid-september?
The situation is normalising already. Rioters are being jailed. There has been little of the recent racist violence in London, a Cosmopolitan city where the far right has little influence.
The rioters are mostly ill-educated white working class men from poor areas in provincial towns and cities far from London. Their misdirected anger has been stoked by right wing politicians such as Nigel Farage and activists such as Tommy Robinson. They have unsatisfying lives and have been taught to blame immigrants for this. Their anger should be directed at the NeoLiberals who have been in power for the last four decades, including those who persuaded the white working class to vote for Brexit, an act of self harm.
Farage is a perpetual troublemaker and attention seeker, who has just found himself marginalised because he is now a backbench MP in a Parliament with a stable centre left majority and a decisive government. I hope that his season ticket to Question Time will be revoked.
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Original post by applepie_apple
do you think the situation will get normal by mid-september?
This is normal for London. London is an enormous city, and what happens in one part of the city has no effect on anything happening a few streets away.
Ignoring for a moment the hackneyed and quite radicalised views of some people on this forum (and in this very thread), for the past year there has been appalling unrest and violence mostly rooted in the pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas movements. The difference is that the media and social media don't want you to know about it. The carnage and criminality that went on in the early days of the war was unmatched, and considerably more violent, more hateful and more dangerous than anything you see in London at the moment. Again, the difference is that its not politically convenient. However - this kind of thing took place overwhelmingly in a few main streets of London, generally Whitehall and sometimes around Kensington. A few streets away, you would have no idea that anything was the matter. This happens all the time. It's no different to with JSO or XR and all these other looney left wing causes - they turn up for their Marxist Days of Rage, cause a bit of trouble or disruption in one spot, do some attention seeking, and 100 yards away, you wouldn't even know it had happened. As one of the major cities of the world, London - and especially Westminster - is very good at dealing with these things and cleaning up afterwards. Pretty much every weekday, there will be a protest of some kind in Westminster, and every weekend a fairly large one. There is serious crime and violence everywhere, but in London, due to the size and organisation of it, these things are dealt with and gone within hours.
If I'm entirely honest with you, the most likely place you will find political unrest is on a university campus.
Original post by applepie_apple
do you think the situation will get normal by mid-september?
I agree with Trinculo below. London is a very big city, things can happen in one part but you could have no clue it’s going on in another. While there can be disruption it is usually dealt with. At the moment Keir Starmer is looking to issue swift sentencing and quite a few people are being arrested already. I think it could be under control for September but it is true that usually universities tend to have a lot of students who like to protest and the like. But the universities also have robust systems in place for addressing such students
Starmer does not impose sentences. The Courts are independent of the Executive.
Original post by Stiffy Byng
Starmer does not impose sentences. The Courts are independent of the Executive.
Oh so Starmer was really just guessing when he promised people would be getting long sentences cos he's not able to influence that
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/first-hartlepool-rioters-sentenced-to-jail-at-teesside-crown-court-4734461
These guys getting 26 months each are I believe the meme couple who taunted the police with 'I pay your wages' before one of them had his trousers pulled down by a police dog biting his buttock. Apparently he might have kicked a cop wearing riot gear in the shin. Seems rather disproportionate to what a lot of people get for swearing at cops - I'm sure there was another case fairly recently where a female police officer was punched in the face resulting in a broken nose - wonder what happened to the guy who did that?
I think the riots are going to fizzle out soon.
but in any case steer clear of any demos, street crowds and people shouting
But be aware there's a high background level of non riot related stabbing and assault going on https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/24501434.grim-four-days-london-three-stabbed/
but in any case steer clear of any demos, street crowds and people shouting
But be aware there's a high background level of non riot related stabbing and assault going on https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/24501434.grim-four-days-london-three-stabbed/
Original post by Stiffy Byng
There are no riots going on in London.
giving "there is no war in ba sing se" LMFAO
Original post by Stiffy Byng
There are no riots going on in London.
nevermind, not ba sing se core. mb. but with the scale of the attacks as of currently, i worry that it might spread to london at this rate. Even glassglow is likely to have riots now with leaks (not sure how credible still)
Original post by Joinedup
Oh so Starmer was really just guessing when he promised people would be getting long sentences cos he's not able to influence that
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/first-hartlepool-rioters-sentenced-to-jail-at-teesside-crown-court-4734461
These guys getting 26 months each are I believe the meme couple who taunted the police with 'I pay your wages' before one of them had his trousers pulled down by a police dog biting his buttock. Apparently he might have kicked a cop wearing riot gear in the shin. Seems rather disproportionate to what a lot of people get for swearing at cops - I'm sure there was another case fairly recently where a female police officer was punched in the face resulting in a broken nose - wonder what happened to the guy who did that?
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/first-hartlepool-rioters-sentenced-to-jail-at-teesside-crown-court-4734461
These guys getting 26 months each are I believe the meme couple who taunted the police with 'I pay your wages' before one of them had his trousers pulled down by a police dog biting his buttock. Apparently he might have kicked a cop wearing riot gear in the shin. Seems rather disproportionate to what a lot of people get for swearing at cops - I'm sure there was another case fairly recently where a female police officer was punched in the face resulting in a broken nose - wonder what happened to the guy who did that?
Judges are independent of Government and sentence according to guidelines. Starmer is familiar with sentencing policies. He used to be the DPP. Are you complaining about racist rioters getting stiff sentences?
(edited 2 months ago)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23y7l01v8o
Please see attached details of some sentences imposed on rioters, on social media rabble rousers, and on counter-protestors who crossed the line. Most of the counter-protests have been large and peaceful. Anti-racists outnumber racists by a large margin.
Any sentences which are excessive can be corrected on appeal.
The case involving a man breaking the nose of a police officer is not connected to the riots. It's the case in which two men fought police officers at Manchester Airport. Two officers are under investigation for possible disproportionate use of force after the men were subdued. The fact that a colleague's nose had been broken would potentially be a mitigating factor, but at least one of the officers may still be in trouble because he kicked one of the suspects after the suspect had ceased resisting arrest. Armed police officers are human, and the incident was volatile and stressful. The officer may have been angry, but it will be said against him that it was his job to keep cool under pressure, especially as he carries a gun (police officers used Tasers but did not draw their firearms during the incident).
Generally speaking, violence against police officers results in heavy sentences, as does violence with a racial element, for obvious public policy reasons.
Yaxley-Lennon/Robinson may be in more trouble if he returns to the UK, He is a career criminal (with a background as a fraudster as well as a racist) and may face another spell in prison.
Nigel Farage bears a heavy responsibility for the riots, but he is cynically careful enough in his choice of words to avoid prosecution. It is remarkable that a man as dishonest and openly racist as Farage has any position in public life The media have given him a platform and empowered him. It would be good to see him ignored, so that he can linger in the obscurity which he deserves.
Please see attached details of some sentences imposed on rioters, on social media rabble rousers, and on counter-protestors who crossed the line. Most of the counter-protests have been large and peaceful. Anti-racists outnumber racists by a large margin.
Any sentences which are excessive can be corrected on appeal.
The case involving a man breaking the nose of a police officer is not connected to the riots. It's the case in which two men fought police officers at Manchester Airport. Two officers are under investigation for possible disproportionate use of force after the men were subdued. The fact that a colleague's nose had been broken would potentially be a mitigating factor, but at least one of the officers may still be in trouble because he kicked one of the suspects after the suspect had ceased resisting arrest. Armed police officers are human, and the incident was volatile and stressful. The officer may have been angry, but it will be said against him that it was his job to keep cool under pressure, especially as he carries a gun (police officers used Tasers but did not draw their firearms during the incident).
Generally speaking, violence against police officers results in heavy sentences, as does violence with a racial element, for obvious public policy reasons.
Yaxley-Lennon/Robinson may be in more trouble if he returns to the UK, He is a career criminal (with a background as a fraudster as well as a racist) and may face another spell in prison.
Nigel Farage bears a heavy responsibility for the riots, but he is cynically careful enough in his choice of words to avoid prosecution. It is remarkable that a man as dishonest and openly racist as Farage has any position in public life The media have given him a platform and empowered him. It would be good to see him ignored, so that he can linger in the obscurity which he deserves.
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