Do you think racism is still a serious problem in British society?
Like I read from relevant news articles that Blacks and Asians are double-digit % more likely to get a house offer, while hate crimes against Blacks and Asians have never stopped and biases against Blacks and Asians are still widespread though latent...What do you think?
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Reply 1
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Like I read from relevant news articles that Blacks and Asians are double-digit % more likely to get a house offer, while hate crimes against Blacks and Asians have never stopped and biases against Blacks and Asians are still widespread though latent...What do you think?
definitely still a prominent issue, work place discrimination is still there which both me and my father have become victim to, where my father asked if if i (15) could voluneer at his work place and they said hey dont allow volunteers below 16, but exactlt two days later his colleague's two children (12 + 14) came to volunteer for 2 weeks and of course they were white. you would think people wouldnt tell you to go back to your country but they do, its happened to me before on the bus. Especially as a blasian muslim, ive only recently come to notice how strangely some people look at me in public when im not in my local ethnjc areas. I even go to a school with like 5 white people and the rest of us are black or asian, so i was never subject to racism at school due to my skin colour or religious attire.
But even in cases that had nothing to do with me, ive seen from my bedoom window the police car parked opposite. A white man went past ohis electric scooter and the police did nothing, and then like 5 minutes later a blavk man did the same and thry stopped him, argued for a good 20 minutes before taking him in their car along with the scooter. I was actually in sm shock when i saw that becajse honestly, if that isnt blatant racism then what is? Racism is definitely a serious problem in Britain, just because the corrupt media dont share it, just like how theyve buried the numerous genocides happening all across the world, they won't document stuff like this, doesnt mean its not there.
Reply 2
Original post by username7218744
definitely still a prominent issue, work place discrimination is still there which both me and my father have become victim to, where my father asked if if i (15) could voluneer at his work place and they said hey dont allow volunteers below 16, but exactlt two days later his colleague's two children (12 + 14) came to volunteer for 2 weeks and of course they were white. you would think people wouldnt tell you to go back to your country but they do, its happened to me before on the bus. Especially as a blasian muslim, ive only recently come to notice how strangely some people look at me in public when im not in my local ethnjc areas. I even go to a school with like 5 white people and the rest of us are black or asian, so i was never subject to racism at school due to my skin colour or religious attire.
But even in cases that had nothing to do with me, ive seen from my bedoom window the police car parked opposite. A white man went past ohis electric scooter and the police did nothing, and then like 5 minutes later a blavk man did the same and thry stopped him, argued for a good 20 minutes before taking him in their car along with the scooter. I was actually in sm shock when i saw that becajse honestly, if that isnt blatant racism then what is? Racism is definitely a serious problem in Britain, just because the corrupt media dont share it, just like how theyve buried the numerous genocides happening all across the world, they won't document stuff like this, doesnt mean its not there.
But even in cases that had nothing to do with me, ive seen from my bedoom window the police car parked opposite. A white man went past ohis electric scooter and the police did nothing, and then like 5 minutes later a blavk man did the same and thry stopped him, argued for a good 20 minutes before taking him in their car along with the scooter. I was actually in sm shock when i saw that becajse honestly, if that isnt blatant racism then what is? Racism is definitely a serious problem in Britain, just because the corrupt media dont share it, just like how theyve buried the numerous genocides happening all across the world, they won't document stuff like this, doesnt mean its not there.
It is frustratingly infuriating indeed. I wonder if any improvements are possible under Starmer’s leadership.
Reply 3
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Like I read from relevant news articles that Blacks and Asians are double-digit % more likely to get a house offer, while hate crimes against Blacks and Asians have never stopped and biases against Blacks and Asians are still widespread though latent...What do you think?
for sure think it still exists, especially in the older generations. not sure if this is just in my experience, but younger generations seem to be really hostile towards racism of people of darker skin but seem to lean into racist humour when it involves asian/indian stereotypes. like, the amount of times i saw people in secondary school attack someone for being racist to their black friend and immediately make a joke about a different eastern ethnicity was WILD.
(edited 9 months ago)
Reply 4
Original post by LionizedLew
for sure think it still exists, especially in the older generations. not sure if this is just in my experience, but younger generations seem to be really hostile towards racism of people of darker skin but seem to lean into racist humour when it involves asian/indian stereotypes. like, the amount of times i saw people in secondary school attack someone for being racist to their black friend and immediately make a joke about a different eastern ethnicity was WILD.
It is hypocritical they object to overt racism while being crypto-racist themselves. I’d rather say, to some extent, crypto-racism has a bigger impact on non-Whites in the country when those holding it are in charge of admin positions in different institutions especially universities.
Reply 5
Racism to some degree or other will always exist in societies. I cannot ever imagine it will disappear. The real question is, as your post said, is it a serious problem in British society?
To answer that, we need to consider how we define a "serious problem" and what metrics we might use to measure it. This is where the debate often becomes heated. On the one hand, some argue that the prevalence of racism should be assessed through concrete data—statistics on hate crimes, disparities in employment and housing, and the like. These metrics can give us a clearer picture of whether racism is a systemic issue that permeates various facets of life in Britain. However, this approach is often met with resistance by anti-racist theorists who claim that metrics, facts, and figures are themselves oppressive, tools of the Euro-centric, White, cishet male-dominant hierarchy designed to maintain power.
These theorists would have us believe that the only way to truly understand racism is by focusing on the "lived experience" of individuals, particularly those from minority backgrounds. In this view, the feelings and personal narratives of these individuals are paramount, and any attempt to question or analyze these experiences through objective means is seen as an attempt to deny their reality. Under this lens, racism is always a serious problem, and it will remain so until the last vestige of perceived oppression is eradicated, which some might argue means until the last White person is dead—a hyperbolic but revealing indication of the extremity of this viewpoint.
But let's not indulge in such hyperbole. Instead, let's assume we adhere to the principles of the Enlightenment—reason, evidence, and rational discourse. By applying these tools, we might find a more balanced view. We should assess the extent of racism based on objective measures: are there significant disparities in how different racial groups are treated in key areas like law enforcement, housing, and employment? Are hate crimes increasing, decreasing, or remaining steady? What do rigorous studies show about implicit biases and their effects on society?
If the data shows that racism is a persistent, widespread issue affecting the lives of a substantial number of people, then yes, it is a severe problem. But suppose the evidence suggests that while racism exists, it does not constitute a crisis that demands radical overhauls of society. In that case, we must be careful not to overstate the issue. This approach allows us to address real problems without descending into hysteria that can sometimes cloud judgment and hinder constructive solutions.
To answer that, we need to consider how we define a "serious problem" and what metrics we might use to measure it. This is where the debate often becomes heated. On the one hand, some argue that the prevalence of racism should be assessed through concrete data—statistics on hate crimes, disparities in employment and housing, and the like. These metrics can give us a clearer picture of whether racism is a systemic issue that permeates various facets of life in Britain. However, this approach is often met with resistance by anti-racist theorists who claim that metrics, facts, and figures are themselves oppressive, tools of the Euro-centric, White, cishet male-dominant hierarchy designed to maintain power.
These theorists would have us believe that the only way to truly understand racism is by focusing on the "lived experience" of individuals, particularly those from minority backgrounds. In this view, the feelings and personal narratives of these individuals are paramount, and any attempt to question or analyze these experiences through objective means is seen as an attempt to deny their reality. Under this lens, racism is always a serious problem, and it will remain so until the last vestige of perceived oppression is eradicated, which some might argue means until the last White person is dead—a hyperbolic but revealing indication of the extremity of this viewpoint.
But let's not indulge in such hyperbole. Instead, let's assume we adhere to the principles of the Enlightenment—reason, evidence, and rational discourse. By applying these tools, we might find a more balanced view. We should assess the extent of racism based on objective measures: are there significant disparities in how different racial groups are treated in key areas like law enforcement, housing, and employment? Are hate crimes increasing, decreasing, or remaining steady? What do rigorous studies show about implicit biases and their effects on society?
If the data shows that racism is a persistent, widespread issue affecting the lives of a substantial number of people, then yes, it is a severe problem. But suppose the evidence suggests that while racism exists, it does not constitute a crisis that demands radical overhauls of society. In that case, we must be careful not to overstate the issue. This approach allows us to address real problems without descending into hysteria that can sometimes cloud judgment and hinder constructive solutions.
Reply 7
Original post by Jebedee
Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world. I certainly wouldn't allow myself to be lectured on racism by those from far more racist countries themselves.
Sounds pretty racially biased to me.
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Sounds pretty racially biased to me.
You can think that if you want. However anyone who has spent considerable time outside of the UK will likely disagree with you.
Plus the world population review has data on these kinds of things you can check yourself.
(edited 7 months ago)
Reply 9
Original post by Jebedee
You can think that if you want. However anyone who has spent considerable time outside of the UK will likely disagree with you.
Plus the world population review has data on these kinds of things you can check yourself.
Plus the world population review has data on these kinds of things you can check yourself.
1.
Just because the UK is less racist than US, it doesn’t mean racism is absent
2.
Nor does (1) mean no one can talk about it
3.
It is great if you have never been subject to any kind of it, but it doesn’t mean you can yell at those who talk about their experience?
Original post by ABBAForever2015
1.
Just because the UK is less racist than US, it doesn’t mean racism is absent
2.
Nor does (1) mean no one can talk about it
3.
It is great if you have never been subject to any kind of it, but it doesn’t mean you can yell at those who talk about their experience?
1) There are other countries in the world other than the UK and the US.
2) You can, but be prepared for a response when you say something false.
3) You can talk about it but anecdotal experiences aren't a reflection of the country. It is not data. And the most frustrating thing is often the ones who do talk about it are from countries with a horrific human rights, gender equality, racial equality record.
Reply 11
Original post by Jebedee
1) There are other countries in the world other than the UK and the US.
2) You can, but be prepared for a response when you say something false.
3) You can talk about it but anecdotal experiences aren't a reflection of the country. It is not data. And the most frustrating thing is often the ones who do talk about it are from countries with a horrific human rights, gender equality, racial equality record.
2) You can, but be prepared for a response when you say something false.
3) You can talk about it but anecdotal experiences aren't a reflection of the country. It is not data. And the most frustrating thing is often the ones who do talk about it are from countries with a horrific human rights, gender equality, racial equality record.
Something “false” ? Is when you are in wilful denial because you are probably one of those engaging in it?
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/racist-assaults-survey-finds/
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30531-nine-ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/02/revealed-the-stark-evidence-of-everyday-racial-bias-in-britain
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Something “false” ? Is when you are in wilful denial because you are probably one of those engaging in it?
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/racist-assaults-survey-finds/
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30531-nine-ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/02/revealed-the-stark-evidence-of-everyday-racial-bias-in-britain
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/racist-assaults-survey-finds/
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30531-nine-ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/02/revealed-the-stark-evidence-of-everyday-racial-bias-in-britain
This is hardly data buddy. There's no control in any of these figures or any comparisons with other countries. I said UK was one of the least racist countries. It doesn't mean you can't cherry pick a few victims with a chip on their shoulder and call it a study.
You even used The guardian as a source to boot. Should I counter that with The sun or the Daily mail?
Reply 13
Original post by Jebedee
This is hardly data buddy. There's no control in any of these figures or any comparisons with other countries. I said UK was one of the least racist countries. It doesn't mean you can't cherry pick a few victims with a chip on their shoulder and call it a study.
You even used The guardian as a source to boot. Should I counter that with The sun or the Daily mail?
You even used The guardian as a source to boot. Should I counter that with The sun or the Daily mail?
Yes, yes, yes, all the data are fake because you don’t want to admit that there is racism in the country, probably you are one of them and that’s why you are so angry
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Yes, yes, yes, all the data are fake because you don’t want to admit that there is racism in the country, probably you are one of them and that’s why you are so angry
Not angry. But I feel some semblance of pity for you as you seem not only unable to have a reasonable discussion but you believe an article because it has numbers in it but seem to be incapable of scrutinising it or understanding how to analyse it.
(edited 7 months ago)
Reply 15
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Like I read from relevant news articles that Blacks and Asians are double-digit % more likely to get a house offer, while hate crimes against Blacks and Asians have never stopped and biases against Blacks and Asians are still widespread though latent...What do you think?
Just this summer, there were anti-immigrant riots happening all over the country which involved people trying to burn down hotels housing refugees. While mainstream politicians have disavowed the violence itself, they have also entirely abstracted the violence from the rhetoric it was built upon... which is a necessary move when Labour, Conservative and Reform politicians are all spewing the exact same forms of anti-immigrant, anti-Asian rhetoric which led to the riots happening in the first place.
So, to answer your question, yes.
Reply 16
Original post by Jebedee
You can think that if you want. However anyone who has spent considerable time outside of the UK will likely disagree with you.
Plus the world population review has data on these kinds of things you can check yourself.
Plus the world population review has data on these kinds of things you can check yourself.
From the World Population Review's page on the world's most racist countries: "Racism is difficult to measure accurately due to the lack of systematic tracking and reliance on personal surveys for data collection."
In terms of protection from discrimination, this country is one of the better ones... for now.
But we have an INCREDIBLY racist news media and plenty of politicians more than ready to pander to it.
Reply 17
Original post by Driving_Mad
That doesn’t mean it’s a serious issue though. It was a minority and you could argue the majority were protesting about illegal immigrants crossing the channel and claiming asylum here.
What news media is racist?
What news media is racist?
first of all, protesting "illegal immigration" is just racism using non-commital language... especially when it involves TRYING TO BURN HUMAN BEINGS ALIVE IN A HOTEL
the daily mail (which is still owned by the same family it was owned by back when it openly supported hitler and oswald mosely), the bbc, the telegraph, gb news, sky, basically all of them honestly
again, if you're looking for "hello and welcome to racist news where we hate black people because we're racist. today, we're joined by our racist guest, racist mcracistson, to discuss his new racist book; the virtues of racism" then you're not gonna see it, because most racist media is smarter than to just come out and admit it
but since you're clearly running defense for these things, I think you're either in denial about your own prejudices, are hopelessly naive and just take everything entirely at face value, or you're actively racist and (much like the media and our political class) are aware of the optics of just admitting it
not sure which, don't really care
Original post by ABBAForever2015
Like I read from relevant news articles that Blacks and Asians are double-digit % more likely to get a house offer, while hate crimes against Blacks and Asians have never stopped and biases against Blacks and Asians are still widespread though latent...What do you think?
If those racist riots were anything to go by; yes it is a problem.
Reply 19
Original post by Driving_Mad
There’s nothing racist with protesting against the asylum process and thousands of people crossing the channel being granted citizenship here. What is wrong is inciting violence and rioting.
@Wired_1800
I never said I agreed with the actions of some protestors or rioters.
I haven’t said anything racist or that I agree with anything racist. What do you mean?
@Wired_1800
I never said I agreed with the actions of some protestors or rioters.
I haven’t said anything racist or that I agree with anything racist. What do you mean?
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