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Reapplication to Cambridge

Post results day, I've decided to take a gap year and apply for the course I'd enjoy doing the most. I had an offer from Cambridge for maths, but during STEP preparation, I realised that maths wasn't the course for me. I achieved A*AA (maths, further maths, physics) and am thinking of applying to Cambridge for economics this year. I'm confident with TMUA prep and my PS, and have a few work experiences in finance. What else should I do/be doing to ensure I have the best chance possible of getting an offer? Is there anything I should be doing differently because I'm on a gap year? In general, what should I be doing specifically for the economics course at Cambridge (if anyone is studying there or knows about admissions)?
The requirements are A*A*A for most applicants as I understand.
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Original post by Anonymous
Post results day, I've decided to take a gap year and apply for the course I'd enjoy doing the most. I had an offer from Cambridge for maths, but during STEP preparation, I realised that maths wasn't the course for me. I achieved A*AA (maths, further maths, physics) and am thinking of applying to Cambridge for economics this year. I'm confident with TMUA prep and my PS, and have a few work experiences in finance. What else should I do/be doing to ensure I have the best chance possible of getting an offer? Is there anything I should be doing differently because I'm on a gap year? In general, what should I be doing specifically for the economics course at Cambridge (if anyone is studying there or knows about admissions)?

Minimum offer for Econ at Cambridge is A*A*A for those doing A levels - see here:
Economics, BA (Hons) | Undergraduate Study (cam.ac.uk)
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Original post by davros
Minimum offer for Econ at Cambridge is A*A*A for those doing A levels - see here:
Economics, BA (Hons) | Undergraduate Study (cam.ac.uk)

Could I retake an A level? If they give me a conditional offer to get an A* in that, I'll have met the minimum requirements.
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Original post by Anonymous
The requirements are A*A*A for most applicants as I understand.

Would it be alright if I got predicted an A* in an A level I'm retaking, so that I meet the minimum offer requirements?
Original post by Anonymous
Would it be alright if I got predicted an A* in an A level I'm retaking, so that I meet the minimum offer requirements?

Economics is already a very competitive course and most applicants will have or be on track to meet the minimum entry requirements within a two-year A-Level study. Unless you have a particularly good reason otherwise, you may be a less competitive applicant.
Original post by Anonymous
Would it be alright if I got predicted an A* in an A level I'm retaking, so that I meet the minimum offer requirements?


Yes
Original post by Anonymous
Would it be alright if I got predicted an A* in an A level I'm retaking, so that I meet the minimum offer requirements?



Original post by Anonymous
Yes

Actually no, it won't put you on a level playing field. Part of the challenge of Cambridge is the very fast pace of the course, combined with its intensity, and the fact that most exams are 'one chance only'. The fact that an applicant didn't get the standard grades in one sitting, first time is always going to be something of an issue for admissions teams.

It doesn't mean it is insurmountable - combined perhaps with a very relevant gap year or something else which stands out as a positive, it's not impossible. But simply getting the right grades through multiple attempts isn't a way to achieve a competitive application.
Original post by threeportdrift
Actually no, it won't put you on a level playing field. Part of the challenge of Cambridge is the very fast pace of the course, combined with its intensity, and the fact that most exams are 'one chance only'. The fact that an applicant didn't get the standard grades in one sitting, first time is always going to be something of an issue for admissions teams.
It doesn't mean it is insurmountable - combined perhaps with a very relevant gap year or something else which stands out as a positive, it's not impossible. But simply getting the right grades through multiple attempts isn't a way to achieve a competitive application.

Similarly, it’s worth noting that even if the standard offer for a course is, say, A*AA, a significant number of offer holders are going to massively exceed their offers and get three A*s or two A*s and an A. The colleges are aware of this and may expect higher grades from a gap year candidate, since you’re really competing with people who are predicted and likely to get a clean sweep of A*s.
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Original post by Anonymous
Post results day, I've decided to take a gap year and apply for the course I'd enjoy doing the most. I had an offer from Cambridge for maths, but during STEP preparation, I realised that maths wasn't the course for me. I achieved A*AA (maths, further maths, physics) and am thinking of applying to Cambridge for economics this year. I'm confident with TMUA prep and my PS, and have a few work experiences in finance. What else should I do/be doing to ensure I have the best chance possible of getting an offer? Is there anything I should be doing differently because I'm on a gap year? In general, what should I be doing specifically for the economics course at Cambridge (if anyone is studying there or knows about admissions)?


Bear in mind that one of their first questions, if they take you seriously, would be why you failed your original offer. You must have a good answer in order to stand a chance.
To be blunt A*AA will probably be rejected pre-interview and your chances are very low even if not. I do not think anything you can do in the next few weeks will change this.

For other courses at Cambridge, or for other Universities you will have more luck, but economics at cambridge is very likely closed off to you with those A-Levels.

This isn't meant to be rude or unkind, I just want to be direct about the reality of the situation.
Original post by threeportdrift
Actually no, it won't put you on a level playing field. Part of the challenge of Cambridge is the very fast pace of the course, combined with its intensity, and the fact that most exams are 'one chance only'. The fact that an applicant didn't get the standard grades in one sitting, first time is always going to be something of an issue for admissions teams.
It doesn't mean it is insurmountable - combined perhaps with a very relevant gap year or something else which stands out as a positive, it's not impossible. But simply getting the right grades through multiple attempts isn't a way to achieve a competitive application.

I agree with you that it’s not a level playing field. I have a different perspective on Cambridge's approach to selecting Maths applicants. Cambridge expects applicants to achieve high subject grades and high STEP scores in a single sitting. If a candidate falls short on their STEP grades, they are given a second chance to retake the entrance exam the following year and still secure a place (which many candidates have done). However, if a candidate misses the required subject grades due to the A-level and STEP exams being scheduled in the same week, they aren’t given the same consideration.

I agree that applicants must understand that subject grades hold more weight across the board than any other exams. In this situation, because the STEP exams were scheduled between A-level exams, it seems the candidate prioritized STEP and consequently missed out on achieving an A* in their subjects. This has a considerable impact, as all top universities now require these grades to be obtained in a single sitting, placing the candidate at a disadvantage in their applications.

When Cambridge is willing to accept applicants who spend an entire year preparing solely for the STEP/Entrance exam and then secure a place, why not extend the same consideration to those who, due to focusing on the STEP exam, may have missed achieving top grades in their subject exams? In my humble opinion, this leniency could be extended specifically to Mathematics applicants who have taken the STEP exam in a previous year.

I understand that with so many applicants competing for each seat, it’s challenging to apply this additional consideration. However, I would be interested in hearing the perspectives of others or college representatives on this matter.
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Original post by Anonymous
I agree with you that it’s not a level playing field. I have a different perspective on Cambridge's approach to selecting Maths applicants. Cambridge expects applicants to achieve high subject grades and high STEP scores in a single sitting. If a candidate falls short on their STEP grades, they are given a second chance to retake the entrance exam the following year and still secure a place (which many candidates have done). However, if a candidate misses the required subject grades due to the A-level and STEP exams being scheduled in the same week, they aren’t given the same consideration.
I agree that applicants must understand that subject grades hold more weight across the board than any other exams. In this situation, because the STEP exams were scheduled between A-level exams, it seems the candidate prioritized STEP and consequently missed out on achieving an A* in their subjects. This has a considerable impact, as all top universities now require these grades to be obtained in a single sitting, placing the candidate at a disadvantage in their applications.
When Cambridge is willing to accept applicants who spend an entire year preparing solely for the STEP/Entrance exam and then secure a place, why not extend the same consideration to those who, due to focusing on the STEP exam, may have missed achieving top grades in their subject exams? In my humble opinion, this leniency could be extended specifically to Mathematics applicants who have taken the STEP exam in a previous year.
I understand that with so many applicants competing for each seat, it’s challenging to apply this additional consideration. However, I would be interested in hearing the perspectives of others or college representatives on this matter.

Applicants who "fall short" on their STEP grades don't automatically get a "second chance" to retake the entrance exam - they still have to apply for a place like everyone else, and may not even get an offer the second time around!

And it's not unknown for Cambridge to ask for higher grades in STEP from a re-applicant (e.g. 1, S or even S, S) because they do indeed recognise that someone re-applying after an extra year has had that additional time to prepare without the pressure of A levels.

So it's not quite as one-sided as you make it sound. And a really top candidate should not be dropping grades because of STEP preparation - they should only be tackling STEP if they've mastered the A-level syllabus to the point where they're pretty much guaranteed top grades.

It may sound unfair on paper, but Cambridge have to give priority to those people who meet their conditions, and also to people who they think will be able to survive in the intense atmosphere of the course. If they did as you suggest, they'd soon be swamped with people going "Right, I'll take a couple of A levels this year and guarantee A*A*, then I'll do another couple the next year and get A*A*, and then I'll take on STEP afterwards when I'm not under pressure". Also remember that you don't get the option of resits in university exams, so it's good preparation to get into the mindset of organizing your priorities and workload accordingly.

And finally, of course, there are plenty of other good unis to aim for - Cambridge isn't the be-all-and-end-all. But other unis also apply their own somewhat "extreme" entrance requirements - Imperial, for example, has set some quite absurd (IMHO) demands on applicants in recent years, purely because of the competitiveness of their course :smile:
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